Episode 114 – Florida Amendment 3 and Hemp with Martha Bueno and Dank Informer

In this live episode, I am joined by guests Martha Bueno and The Dank Informer. The discussion focuses on the potential consequences of legalizing cannabis under the proposed amendment 3 in Florida

Martha Bueno argues against Amendment Three, expressing concerns that it would grant monopolistic power to a few large cannabis companies, like Trulieve, potentially leading to a lack of accountability and consumer protection. On the other hand, The Dank Informer supports the amendment as a necessary step toward legalizing cannabis and reducing arrests

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all right we are on air Martha Bueno just joined the stream we are waiting on the dankin former to join um hey hello how’s it going welcome to the show welcome back to the show I should say so the danin forer you were saying is yes not here not here just yet uh they will be joining us shortly um I’m sure they’ll be here right in the nick of time we are just a little bit before before when we agreed to start you know so uh you got weed you got your weed rolled up this time around I do not I do not I don’t smoke inside my house oh hey fair enough fair enough I do not smoke inside my house so I don’t smoke you know in front of my computer yeah I don’t know how I feel about putting that out there what’s that it’s still federally illegal yeah well fair enough I have my other drug of choice I have my coffee yeah there you go free Ross uh mug there you go free Ross look into that drink my coffee every day you know hell yeah well I’m about to this debate yes I am and to enjoy it I’m actually cracking open a beverage 50 milligrams of hemp derived THC uh from a uh brand that is not only licensed to sell cannabis in the the state of Illinois but they also sell hemp the dankin former is joining us now um so here we go how about you Martha are you ready I am ready all right well the dankin former just joined us Mr danin former can you hear us yep can you hear me yep yep how’s it going today good good sweet well thank you both for joining me I want to give you both the space to first of all like before we even get into the issue um introduce yourself as much as you can the dankin forer I know we’ve talked in the past and you know there’s certain elements of your life that you say private about so you know obviously as much as you’re willing to share go ahead and get into it uh but why don’t we start with Martha bueno I’m not are you hearing that sound is that just me oh no that’s that’s just me sorry um I’m just high no I’m joking I had uh something else open on my computer that I was hearing uh Martha why don’t you go ahead and uh tell us who you are and maybe where we can find you online yeah so you can find me online at Bueno for Miami and I’ve been a long-term cannabis Advocate and just an overall libertarian believer in smaller government less government involvement in our lives um and that’s pretty much where you can find me on X or IG as buen over myami sweet sweet thank you so much and I’ll sh share that on my screen here in just a moment uh while I do that Mr denin former you want to go ahead and introduce yourself and I’ll also share your Twitter too um I guess I go by the Dan former um I’m just a retail cannabis investor um I don’t work in the Cannabis industry I’ve been a can cannabis consumer um maybe about for about 15 years and I live in a state that does not have a me a legal cannabis program so I’ve primarily consumed via the hemp industry believe it or not that is that is hard to believe uh considering some of the things you uh that you tweet out um so I don’t know where we want to start on this uh dank we’ve obviously talked in the past Martha you were just on the show I think a good place to start is this idea that I see you talk about the danken forer and I think you maybe even just tweeted about it today um like I can just share your Twitter right now again uh if we didn’t make it clear enough you can follow the dankin forer at the dankin forer on Twitter displaying it on uh loading oh is it can you see it now it’s it’s grainy yeah it’s grainy I apologize loed completely on the screen okay well um I’ll read what I’m seeing oh there you go there you go now you can see it so you know there’s this idea that uh that you talk about a lot about hemp derived intoxicating compounds and these people that like them taking a stance against marijuana legalization maybe we start there maybe this goes without saying but everybody on this phone call believes marijuana should be legalized right I hope so yeah now here’s where I think this conversation decriminalized is the better the better word for it the better Avenue for it but nonetheless some type of absolute legalization yeah I tend to I tend to agree and thank you Martha for uh adding that and I think where this debate comes down to is how we do that and Martha maybe this opens you up to start off and then the dankan former I’d love to have you give a response you’re again you’re not against legalization you’re against amendment three do you want to unpack that in Florida well first of all I think that it helps if we start at the very beginning and that is what is the difference between hemp and marijuana and um I think that if we agree on these terms then we can just move forward very quickly and easily so um danen former you just said that you consume hemp based cannabinoids and so you know again I’d like to clear up this this notion the hemp based cannabinoids you’re consuming I’m guessing are Delta 8 Delta 9 Delta 10 something that can get you high is that correct it’s mostly natural it’s it’s marijuana I mean hemp is cannabis inherently it’s the same plant and it’s it’s a complicated subject cuz the hemp products are really like a three-legged monster right you have naturally extracted Delta 9 THD and CBD then you have synthetic cannaboids and then you have regular weed sold as thca um but at the end of the day it’s all cannabis I mean it’s the same plan that is not the three categories that’s like that that was a huge bastardization of the entire industry in the plant so um I I think that that’s probably where we start off wrong on this debate is that I think that you’re just not informed as to what these things are so you’re saying what product do you personally consume um since you didn’t give a straight answer do you consume Delta 9 THC and CBD and so Delta 9 THC you said you’re not in a legal state so you are consuming hemp based Delta 9 THC sure for the purposes of class classifying it I I think again let’s let’s start with classification so all cannabis hemp comes from the Cannabis sativa a plant now the definition of them is the one that has higher or lower THC so to be based as hemp in the United States you have to have your flower come in at 3% or less and then anything above that would be considered cannabis are you in agreement with that sure but okay yeah sure that’s what that’s what the definition says by the farm bill okay so I because you know many times on the internet you’ve stated uh you’ve you’ve called hemp based cannabinoids gas station weed or something else so the one that you consume personally starts out as hemp and then is converted via a process and I’m going to assume that you are able to consume it without any medical uh issues I’m not really sure what you’re asking I mean stated in the past that that hemp that comes from quote gas station is unregulated untested and uh terrible and so I’m asking you does it give you like a health issue that you consume it or are you able to consume it just fine yeah so the reason I’ve been kind of so adamant about the hemp industry being unregulated is because I’ve personally suffered and I know other colleagues and co-workers who’ve suffered uh from hemp derived products because they contain the synthetic cannabinoids and the Vapes and the cartridges and whatever they sell synthe cannaboids are completely different from hemp based cannabinoids though synthetic cannaboids are things like spice and K2 no synthetic canabo are like th thco thc1 these are fully synthetic cannaboids th thc1 yeah you mean Delta 10 yeah th-10 Delta 10 whatever you want call okay no no no no so synthetic means that it does not exist in nature th hco and any of the ones that have a Das o are synthetic those mean mean that the cannabis plant never produces them they were converted and into something that doesn’t exist and they were created that is a synthetic cannabinoid now cannabinoids are synthesized from hemp which the word sounds the same so I can understand how some people that don’t know and aren’t technical could get confused so when you synthesiz something and you change it from one to another it is like for example if you’ve ever had I don’t know a vitamin when you have vitamins you aren’t having like if you have vitamin C you’re not having a a crazy amount of vitamin C that comes out of an orange for example and you have people processing oranges to give you vitamin C vitamin C is synthesized the same process is done for hemp to convert it into the cannabinoids that are sold so Delta 8 Delta 10 Delta um n um CBN CB G all of these are naturally occurring but because they occur so small in the plant they are synthesized they are not synthetic I wanted to make sure that we have the time to go through these these points because just like you’re confused I know that anybody who watches equally be confused THC THC hhco hhc these are like synthetic can ammonoids now yes those are as I say anything anything you buy yeah anything you buy from the hempen though is in fact chemically converted from CBD so whether it’s Delta a THC whether it’s Delta 10 THC which but now you’ve mov I’m not moving the goost I think you you indeed have because we’re talking about we’re talking we’re talking about blend these cannabinoids and what happens in the chemical process of converting CBD to delta8 you get a bunch of impurities which are could be Delta 10 could be other cannabinoids and other chemical chemical molecules and that problem the problem really is it’s not that Delta eight inherently is possibly or something it’s that the majority of hemp processors they they follow no regulations they’re they’re unregulated and they basically take a bunch of CBD they chemically convert it and they shove a bunch of these things in The Vape and there’s no telling what’s in that Vape so and I think that from an Outsiders perspective I’m from Illinois but just I see a lot of s similarities between Illinois and Florida and personally the first place I tried Delta 8 was in an Illinois dispensary which says that can be tested regulated and sold and so I think maybe the critique against amendment three is that it limits participation so if you’re if you’re worry is that um is possible to share this I have here the Cure relief website they just created a hemp the hemp Company by cure relief mmtc’s create hemp based products like I part this is not even part of amendment three I’m happy to go through it if you’d like I’m not a scientist but when we’re talking about something that is um a technical issue that you’re having and then you just go into well but everything that they sell so this is an mmtc that has been legal here in Florida and legal in many other states for a long time they have just created the hemp company I’ve got all their products in my fridge right now I have all the I I buy products from the hemp industry but not everybody does it right okay but that’s a whole different issue that’s not what we’re so Amendment Three does not cover him at all exactly this conversation should never have even gone into him but we’re we’re clearing these points for everyone who’s watching and for uh making this discussion easier but you’re going down this hemp route and you’re saying things that are just not true so I’d love to see your backup onto this or where that where the hemp subject comes in in regards to Amendment Three is that you have Governor Des Sanz coming out against you know Amendment and legalizing marijuana but at the same time taking in donations from the hemp industry and you’ve got the hemp Lobby which Evan power you know the GOP chairman in Florida has been lobbying on behalf of the hemp industry you’ve got the hemp industry lobbying the the GOP in Florida to strike down the hemp ban bill and then the Santa is coming out against like Amendment Three and like legal marijuana so you have you have two competing interests do you agree you have two two pieces two two special interests which are the state regulated cannabis and the hemp industry they’re all competing for a piece of the same pie which are which are cannaboids and canabo products I mean I is the point that you’re making that government is for sale and that people with a lot exactly of course the government is for sale that’s that’s what lobbying is I mean yes is you you have regulated cannabis and then you have people who sell unregulated cannabis via the hemp Channel I’m sorry wait wait wait wait wait wait wait in order to sell hemp in at least the State of Florida where I am in Most states you must be regulated and licensed in order to do so so when you say make those claims it’s basically like that’s you’re just pulling it out of the licensing requirements for hemp derived products though from a consumer’s perspective don’t even come close to what medical cannabis so that’s where I wanted to that’s where I was trying to get us what like a product when I pull up a product online from like a website that sells hemp dve products and uh you know in Martha’s defense her products are actually very well tested cuz I looked at her site but the majority of these companies that I’ve done research on when you look at the certificate of analysis there is no microt toxin uh you know fungal test panel there is no bacterial test panel there is no pesticide test panel the majority of these products and the companies that sell them are selling [ __ ] garbage and I want to set aside the for a moment that I feel like using Cannabis Testing is a flawed back stop I want to set that aside for a moment but I I just just what I I don’t understand what’s not agreeable cuz you always I see people yourself included but they always bring up this idea of untested gas station cannabis I don’t understand what like why anybody would be opposed to just allowing these operators to be subjected to the same testing standards if that’s your back stop like what’s wrong like do you get what I’m asking here are you asking me yeah I’m asking you like if you’re saying saying that the problem is that it’s untested well then let it let’s test it right and I’m setting aside that I think testing’s fla one of the problems the second problem is that you have like I said these cannaboid soup products which are like you know I can walk down to my gas station and the Vapes would basically say they have thco Delta 10 thcp and a bunch of other cannaboids in it no one has ever consumed these canabo before the hemp industry started chemically dering again I this is where I like again I tried Delta 8 for the first time in an Illinois dispensary it was on sale I can look it up sure that that’s your personal experience I’m I’m just saying in general when you talk about chemically derived cannaboids from CBD you’re not talking about Canabis plant medicine you’re talking about something that’s put through a chemical process that takes CBD and converts that molecule to something else via acids and solvents and what have you in that process in the hemp industry these hemp processors there’s no regulations and that’s why I think that’s why setting aside the fact that there is some uh regulation that’s why I think you should welcome more regulation like this is what we agreed on last time we spoke was that if your concern is these synthesized canabo then it’s like you should be in the front of the line to have them tested may I share one more time the screen please absolutely but do you agree with where I’m coming from on that the denkin former it’s like the idea absolutely need to be regulated but what I’m saying is this has been going on for six years and no one’s done a thing okay I think that’s a great point to bring up to Regulators here is a thread from Red it with a list of all of the terrible issues that different um mmtc’s have had including the batch numbers and if you click on it you can see the photos and the stuff with the powdery Mill do and everything so what point am I trying to make here it doesn’t matter these people are super heavily regulated they have all the regulations in the world and yet this is going on with them this is all from Florida it is problem they have compliance requirements and can be they can be sued for that no and now I’m glad we’re getting to Amendment Three so part three of amendment three clearly states actions and conduct by medical marijuana Treatment Center registered with the department or its agents or employees and in compliance with this section which all of these companies that I just showed are um shall not be subject to criminal or civil liability or sanctions under Florida law so congratulations thank you so much for uh telling us that what you want is to give government the power to give these people the the um fiser treatment because that’s exactly what amendment three does Amendment Three says no matter what you do to our consumers you have no liability and it is uh go a little further up section three is right there number three actions and conduct by medical marijuana treatment center and then shall not be subject to criminal or civil liability or sanctions under the Florida law so we with this amendment and you have to understand TR leave has paid paid $60 million plus um according to the the donations the current donations truly have paid 61 m275 th000 to get this amendment through and why is that why does truly want this amendment to go through and I would point to that number that I told you guys the number three which grants them full liability i’ also like to remind you all that trui has had a major issue with mold as well as people dying who have been working in their in their uh facilities therefore it behooves TR Leaf to maintain a monopoly which this also grants them and have uh protection from the law so you’re saying that you want more protection you want government to protect you from gas station weed but you’re okay with giving it to these people no that’s not what I’m saying that’s literally what you’re saying please tell me how I’m wrong well yeah I was gonna say yeah give him a chance to respond uh what what yeah where is your stance on you know Florida Florida’s Amendment at three cuz like one of the things we’ve started with and I’ll give you the floor sorry to to ask a question before but I just wanted to like establish it it sound like we started with you maybe agree everybody should be able to have access to testing so that sounds like maybe you’re against the limited license approach but yeah clarify your stance on Amendment Three um I mean I’ve got no problem with Amendment Three it’s legalizing cannabis so people can’t be persecuted for using it so I’m not really sure like as far as like the legal wording about criminality and civil liability I’m not a lawyer so I can’t really answer that um but you know you can’t just come out and say you don’t want people to vote for Amendment Three because like you have legal cannabis through the hemp industry and it’s like yeah but the hemp industry is literally poisoning people oh but no no the the medical marijuana industry is poisoning people and they’re paying a lot of money to be able to continue to poison people but they they have to P so sure let’s say they they have bad batches they have mold there’s no doubt about that I mean they use pesticides look at the story out of La in California right so there’s pesticides in state legal products but they are required to test for these things and because that’s in the in the regulatory requirements of the governing body that’s overseeing those those cannabis licenses so when they do break the law or that when they do get caught they they get sued for these things right yeah but to your point you know when you bring up that LA Story you know that’s part of a broader trend of like okay so this is the Vapes but you’ve got THC inflation uh in Illinois and other states you’ve got confidentiality of this stuff alog together um the lab issue the lab issu is being dealt with you know this came out with the hemp reference material when we talked about that last time and they came out with it like a couple weeks after but so now basically Labs have to get their equipment certified with a with a n traceable product so you can’t the lap shopping is going to be over pretty soon like they they have to get this compliant I have a a question how much uh how much have you been paid for uh to by this industry to Lobby against I I I don’t work in Industry I don’t Lobby for this industry I’m a retail cannabis investor I don’t I buy stocks on my [ __ ] Fidelity account on my brokerage account I don’t work nobody ever gifted you any any no one’s ever gifted me anything I don’t work in this industry I have a w regular day job so your assumptions there are wrong oh I was asking question the reason the reason I have so much beef with cannabis products coming from the hemp industry is because people I know and myself included have had lung complications from these garbage products because they’re unregulated they’re not unregulated you potentially have bought something that wasn’t from a good source that happens but they are from a source that’s lobbying in Florida from some one of some of these companies that that sell products in gas stations okay I’ve posted about it you know flying monkey Looper herb all these hemp companies that have the Florida Healthy Alternatives Association they’re all sponsors of that hemp Lobby who are fighting against amendment 3 in Florida all these companies have sold H thco and some of them have sold hhco products that were proven to be lung toxic and you know what the synthetic can cannabinoids is a completely different disc I agree but that’s what I’m trying to tell you is that these companies don’t care about consumer safety they will find the next cannaboid and put it in the Vape they don’t give a [ __ ] they will constantly keep synthesizing things until they next cannaboid and they stick it in a product so we should pass a bad law to then do what because that law shouldn’t be people shouldn’t be chemically chemically dering I agree with you I don’t think they but we’re we’re we’re debating Amendment Three so I’m asking you passing a bad law how does that help the situation it’s not a law it’s a ballot Amendment it’s a ballot which is worse you’re going to pass something which goes on our Constitution which is worse than a law because you see a law can be changed but a constitutional amendment takes another constitutional amendment to change it which means that somebody has to come up with look at how much it’s cost it’s cost over $66 million to get this one where it is and in the and and and so that people know what’s in it and of course they’re trying to make it seem like this is recreational it’s not recreational it only provides recreational to the mmtc’s it gives them full liability it doesn’t say that they’re legis doesn’t say anything like that and it grants them full liability so my question to you in order for Floridians to take this this back should it pass it takes another ballot Amendment so you’re saying that you don’t like what happens at gas stations and my question to you is how does this protect you from what’s Happening at gas stations because the products are tested and there’s a compliance and regulations I think we have a complete just miscommunication here yeah I um I mean do you have another approach on what you’re trying to ask here Martha um I mean I feel like I get what you’re putting down but I don’t I don’t think it’s getting picked up so I mean okay here’s here’s the thing are you familiar with the Uber and the um taxi Medallion issue that was happening when Uber was just getting started sure yeah I’ve seen the movie you’ve seen the movie I’m not sure what movie that is it’s a Netflix movie on Uber they talk about it oh [ __ ] I’ll have to check it out yeah I haven’t seen that but during the time that it was happening let me just refresh people’s minds Uber when it was new the it was pretty much the only competition to taxis and taxis were regulated ated by the government so before we had Uber in order to drive a taxi you needed a taxi Medallion and every T every taxi car had one taxi Medallion and the cost for that taxi Medallion was well over a million dollars per taxi so taxi companies that could afford multiple medallions had multiple taxis and you had to work for one of these guys so that was the Monopoly at the airports for example you’d arrive from a flight and in order to get in a car that was not your own you had to pay a taxi and they the government prohibited Ubers from picking people up at airports over time as Uber won and one in the market share and one now anybody can drive in Uber you can pick up people from anywhere and it’s a better ride cars have air conditioning they’re better cars they’re newer Etc the market that you are describing the one that you want to protect is the taxi Medallion in this case while I’m telling you that the hemp Market is the Uber one I’m not saying that it is perfect Uber has had issues they’ve had issues with uh bad drivers they’ve had issues with insurance they’ve had issues with people going missing it’s been it’s been a rough start and I’m not saying that any new industry is just going to magically appear and be wonderful but what I’m saying is you are advocating to keep the taxi Medallion business alive versus allowing people that are going to be innovators to go into the market and create new things does that make sense so what because no because the the Florida legislature can issue more licenses anytime they wish so the licenses does not say will it says may and if you know the license can be issued by by the regulatory body and the Florida legislature can can enact laws and and how they see fit to issue more licenses the ballot how many licenses is Florida supposed to have right now do you know the ballot Amendment doesn’t doesn’t the previous this is the first number of licenses and nobody can ever get a license um how many licenses are supposed to be in Florida at this moment I asked you if you knew how many you started going off on a tangent I was I was in the middle of a sentence but sure I think there’s 27 or 30 issued and there’s supposed to be another 20 or 30 I don’t know they’re supposed to be um that that those licenses so according to the Florida rules we were supposed to have and uh four new mmtc’s per every 200,000 if I’m not mistaken don’t remember the exact number we are supposed to have close to 100 at this point and we don’t have them why is that we have 22 companies um and another 20 licenses that applied last year for it and have not been issued the point is regulatory body that is supposed to the rules have been written this isn’t the first amendment we had Amendment uh two back in 2016 that passed that was supposed to Grant licenses based on um how many people there are in the state that are registered as medical marijuana treat uh patients and that they’ve never kept up they’ve never been able to keep up so you’re saying that the regulatory body is going to issue these magical licenses when in here it doesn’t compel them to do it there’s nothing in here that says they must issue licenses this is for the Monopoly that is what this is this says that the people who are already licensed have their license and they may may not shall May potentially if they feel like in the future maybe open licenses but on the previous ballot Amendment where they had to we still don’t have all of those issued so I’m supposed to believe a governing body is going to do something when they’ve had a legal authority to do so and they were supposed to and have not done it right the ballot amendment has nothing to do with the legislature issuing licenses or whatever governing body is responsible for that the ballot amendment is legalizing adult use cannabis and we’ve seen before what happens when you put hom grow in there the Supreme Court Struck it down last time right so when you can’t have a BAL Amendment with 15 different things you’re talking about regulate Florida which is regulate alcoh regulate cannabis like alcohol the reason it was struck down was not because of Home grow it was struck down because you have to have a single issue per valid Amendment and the constitution of Florida said that it was so it violated the single issue Clause so when you start sh but it had nothing to do with the home grow that was something that is completely out there that is not true at all and I’d love to see your your that’s not that’s not what I’ve seen but sure if you have some about it the the Florida Constitution issued an opinion we’re supposed to have 44 licenses we have less than that are active and we’re supposed to have uh I think it’s four per every 100,000 so people shouldn’t vote according to you the people shouldn’t vote for Amendment Three because they can get weed from the hemp industry because that’s my point is putting a bad law onto the Florida Constitution where we cannot change it is a bad idea because this is a bad law now if somebody would have written WR out a constitutional amendment that said cannabis in Florida should be completely legal you should be able to grow it and sell it and do whatever you want with it and there’s going to be some rules that the legislature will enact and that is the ballot Amendment sure by all means we should have had that but that is not what these four pages say and I’m asking you have you read you can’t have all these things in a single ballot Amendment prised because of the single single issue Clause like this is four pages this isn’t single issue and yet it passed constitutional review and I’m sorry if I could just not a lawyer so I can’t get into what defines a single issue but there’s Pro there’s a specific language that would determine that I was about to ask that exact question because I’m like to me it seems like a single issue cannabis is no longer illegal for anybody like that you know and it then it offsets into like Martha was saying hom grow and then licensing and use and possession and stuff but I get what you’re also saying uh Dan but now you’re inferring what it would allow so now you’re enumerating but what what do you mean like that that’s my thing is like when people say cannabis is legal like you you should like I when you say I’m automatically inferring that I should grow it at be able to grow it at home it’s like of course like what do you mean I wouldn’t be able to grow it at home you know what I mean um I mean unless you meant something else unless you were referring to something else no I’m just saying like you were saying okay if the amendment was just saying cannabis is legal then it’s assumed that you can grow it at home well people would argue that that’s not the case um grow you know I think everybody should be able to grow cannabis for personal use um this ballot Amendment doesn’t give it and as a matter of fact because you cannot grow according to this uh still that means that for the first time in the history of Florida we will allow based on this amendment there will be a precedent there will there will be something that says that the government can decide what plant we can and cannot grow because while cannabis is federally illegal I don’t believe that that’s ever been challenged the part where you can grow it on your own land or whatever um so we are basically saying that the Florida legislature can now make it a precedent that nobody can grow a crop and they can choose another one and use this as the backdrop for it use this as no that’s the amendment does not prohibit growing cannabis it just doesn’t explicitly say that you can legally grow cannabis I think you’re confusing you know this is really look for it right now I’ll tell you a subject for a lawyer with specific knowledge in the sub in the subject area I mean we’re I feel like we’re getting over our heads here medical marijuana treatment centers and other entities licens as provided below are allowed to acquire cultivate process manufacture sell and distribute marijuana products and marijuana accessories to adults for personal use upon effective date below um a medical marijuana Treatment Center or other state licensed entity including its agent employees acting in accordance with the section as relates to acquiring cultivating processing manufacturing selling and distributing products and marijuana accessories to adults for personal use shall not be subject to criminal and civil liabilities so the only people that can do it is them but there goes further I’m trying to find where it was that uh the only people that will be able to use this the only people that are recreational according to this is those people medical marijuana treatment centers so it’s not really recreational though which is what you’re saying it is we without a license somebody like that’s what I’m saying you’re conflating like who has a license currently versus who might have one in the future I’m conflating it but here’s the thing you’re the one saying that the hemp market is unregulated when those people have licenses why not just open the market completely you want to create a dual dual system you want to first of all they try there already is a dual system the Dual system is here it is here absolutely and this won’t change anything so you want to make it so that this side is recreational but you’re going to give them Li exemption from any type of liability and at the end of the day we still can’t grow we can’t put it into the ground and at the end of the day the mmtc’s are the only ones that can grow and sell and do this you’re giving them all the benefit and you’re taking it from the people of Florida the people of Florida can’t grow we can’t process we can’t do it so how recreational so let me ask you this then who who can who can sell alcohol and beer in Florida any restaurant any gas station any any liquor store anyone who’s got a license to sell it no you can you we have we have beer uh companies that the small mom and pop shops they have a LIC they have a license have their own license as well I’m not sure if you’re understanding that you’re literally arguing the same point that I’m trying to argue I think what he’s saying and I I think it proves if I have a potato farm can I just start distilling potato vodin selling it who’s arguing for that the hemp industry basically no we you have a hemp farm license and now you’ve taken an industrial crop and you’re trying to sell cannabinoids you’re trying to sell marijuana and marijuana derivatives I mean it’s it’s you you’ve taken something that’s supposed to be for industrial uses for the fiber to use it textile fiber and clothing in 2018 the term industrial was dropped from the Pharma act um which was originally like to your point the denin former why that 3% cap is in there because it was supposed to be a cultivar of cannabis that would classify as hemp because it would be it would not grow a lot of flour it it would grow it would goow it would grow butd that was not abundant in in toxin cannaboids but why in 2018 can I ask this question in 2018 they dropped the term industrial and they also added cannabinoids to the list of like they like all of these cannabinoids are good except for Delta 9 THC at a level that exceeds 3% because they knew what they were doing because it’s it’s probably by Design that’s exactly I I’m just glad we’re all at least on the same page on that one I think somebody knew what they were doing with that language you know people would say it’s they accidentally legalized it didn’t but the fact language is clear the fact of the matter remains is that the hemp industry is limited in the amount of Delta 9 THC they can sell so they’ve they’ve gotten you know a little bit of Ingenuity and they’ve said oh [ __ ] we can convert CBD to all these THC isomers that still get you high but they’re not Delta 9 THC so they’re not explicitly banned so now we can push out Delta 8 Delta 10 thco hhc and get people high in a similar way that Delta 9 get to high but it’s not really weed so we’re we’re good so that’s really the premise of kind of how like where we are today in the hemp industry and intoxicating cannaboids coming out of it but do you can I ask just really quick do you I I agree with with you cuz we’ve both gone into the gas stations and seen the same thing I’ve seen what you’ve posted on Twitter I actually shared with you last time you were on my show what I saw at a gas station when I went in I saw these Del much roller dude they’re right here right right so I’ve seen like the Delta 10 pre-rolls and you know this and that and a thco and stuff and my thought whenever I see that [ __ ] is like wow that’s pretty crazy but I’m not going to buy that and I like my question to you is like like do you think people are getting like swindled into buying these products or like the consumer in the hemp industry is not your traditional Stoner like I I’ve got friends who who smoke weed who they don’t think thca is cannabis and these are hardcore Stoners that would rip the bong every day and they will do dabs and they they don’t they still don’t believe that thca is real cannabis because the hemp industry the hemp Market is not targeting your traditional cannabis consumer who rolls up a joint or rolls up a blunt they’re targeting the people that that’s why they call it hemp I’ve never seen a politician when they talk about the hemp industry in their state call it marijuana or cannabis they always use the terminology hemp the same way the state legal cannabis industry uses the word cannabis because everyone’s trying to get away from the word marijuana so the nomenclature is designing in a way to Target different consumers like marijana like terrible word to use it’s actually a disparaging word and it comes from Mexico it’s actually what the I know that’s why that’s why the IND get away from it the actual word is cannabis when I see a politician use marijuana it’s usually one who’s against who is for prohibition who’s against cannabis and who doesn’t know the the language I think the the the reason the danin former was just using that I was trying to segregate the different channels and the different consumer types that these sub industries of the Cannabis sector are trying to Target right well again so just to reiterate what you just said to Amendment Three you know I I think we were supposed to be debating Amendment Three and here we are going down this Rabbit Hole of what other people are doing because they are in a regulated market that allows them to do that I mean if you have an issue with the hemp Bill you’re more than welcome to contact your legislatures and ask them to change that the hemp what you’ve been trying to do the hemp bill passed the legislature the santis vetoed it because he’s trying to raise money from the hemp lobby as seen in the pack contributions he received for that part in in the uh hemp uh making it illegal he received over half a million dollars from True leave to make it illegal so I don’t know if you have the Smoking Gun that shows that he’s trying to raise money to make it already rais money what do you mean Michael during who’s a VC investor and hemp companies has donated half a million you’ve got um you know just look at the freedom fund uh pack you’ve got other people that have donated like a 100,000 200,000 um The Citadel guy just said he’s donating 12 million and I think it’s fair to to point out that he’s raising money but one of the things that you’ve said is that he supports unregulated hemp and when you read his veto as we discussed last time he makes it very clear that he’s like no we’ll we’ll add ageg gating We’ll add this and that he said something to the effect if I’m off the top of my head that he was worried that that what they were trying to do with hemp not that they weren’t trying to address you know some reasonable issues but that it would destroy small businesses and destroy an open eate Florida would have destroyed over 10,000 businesses that were already licensed under the Florida legislature signaling to the industry that’s given him donations he’s also said he doesn’t like the smoke of marijuana but in 2019 he’s the one to push through the smokable marijuana as a format for the medical program so so he’s talking out of both sides of his mouth I’m not here to defend R Ron yeah I was gonna say I don’t think we’ll disagree on that what he says is [ __ ] he’s a politician he’ll say you know which congratulations but what I’m trying to say is that you have two industries competing for for the same piece of the pie and one is a is a regulated state State industry not just in Florida and the other one is is the hemp Farm industry which is really just the farm industry that’s growing hemp but I guess my question to you the denin former is like why would you stand up for the state-based program when it’s overly punitive it it doesn’t protect against the things that you’re concerned about the testing because I care about legal tested quality product that I can buy out and not be arrested for I can’t do that from the hemp industry today if I get high on Delta 9 hemp derive THC and I’ll go take a [ __ ] drug test is going to say I had weed in my system that’s not legal marijuana hemp is not legal marijuana in any [ __ ] sense at the federal level it’s legal to kind of sell it can you back for a minute if you if you smoke legal marijuana and you take a drug test you will also show up as drug as exactly but people are saying oh hemp is legal it’s legal weed well it’s not really legal because it’s the same plant it’s the same canabo so so what is your point that people are saying it and then failing my point is want legal marijuana through Amendment Three so that people are not arrested for for using it but that’s not in Amendment Three what are you talking about it legalizes cannabis who do you think enforces the laws okay it legalizes cannabis for possession but if you take it small amount of possession yes and if you take it and you you go to work and you have and you take a p test and your work says it’s a drug-free zone you’re still in this like this that’s the same with alcohol you work can fire you for having alcohol in your blood yeah but cannabis lasts in your system for days so if you consume cannabis today and you take a drug test 30 days from now you may still sayot and you any ticket a cop will not stop you for running a stop sign and then uh smell weed and arrest you for having marijuana in your car if if if it’s legal in the state but if you have hemp in your car you’re talking out of both sides of your own mouth if you have hemp in your car and it’s legal hemp that you purchase from a store the cop can’t arrest you either because no the lines are very blurred there because when that happened in North Carolina when they legalize hemp the whole Sheriff’s Association came out and said we can’t distinguish what is hemp and what is weed because they’re selling thca flour and that is just weed so so it causes more problems for the uh enforcement like the sheriff department and and the local police departments because you can’t regulate something you can’t call something hemp and cannabis when it’s the exact same thing and then pretend that one is legal and one is not I’m not sure what your argument is but also when right now if you want to buy from mmtc you have to voluntarily give a your second amendment rights so if I I a small human who probably couldn’t defend myself without the use of a weapon I’m no longer entitled to use it under the cannabis laws but I am if I use hemp so what you’re saying I I still don’t understand your point but what you’re saying is you don’t like it if it’s in this market but you like it if it’s the other one but you also own stock in one market he he admitted though that and he we talked about this last time he buys uh different hemp products some from the msos some from like can trip sorry though I don’t mean to speak for you the danin forer go ahead my point is that as a consumer I want legal cannabis that I can buy and consume and not worry about getting arrested and that’s what 99% of the people want I would love that they don’t care where they buy it from they don’t care who they get it from if it’s legal tested and compliant that’s what 99% of the people want that’s what I want that’s what I want as well I’m glad we agree you don’t you said you don’t want Amendment Three you said I don’t want am amendment 3 is not that and you haven’t been able to show me where it says that where does it say that you will not be arrested for having cannabis where does it say that you will not be arrested if you have it’s legal why would you get arrested for something that’s legal the only people who enforce law the law are like your your local sheriff department the county you know the state troopers the federal government you think you have federal agents on the streets arresting people for weed no you don’t whether it’s legal at the federal level it’s the state the people that enforce the laws are your are your local jurisdictions your your police departments these are the people that write the tickets and put you in jail for cannabis you don’t have the feds running on the streets uh catching you smoking a blunt and putting you in jail right doesn’t in Miami Beach it’s decriminalized so I guess Amendment Three doesn’t apply in on Miami Beach like we already have in in lots of parts of Florida completely decriminalized for small amounts and none of that is in Amendment Three if you could point to the language in Amendment Three that says that you won’t be arrested for having small amounts of cannabis that would be great it literally says it’s legal to have up to an ounce on personal whatever the amount is as long as it’s in an mmtc container and and I guess my point is is in the first year of legal cannabis in Illinois arrests continued uh despite the fact that we had legal cannabis and and when you say 30 30 grams is it’s a lot like again why why even set a possession limit hemp up there’s no possession limit it’s like what you talking about last time man no dosage caps no possession limits no purchase limits like that’s what’s great about hemp yeah and What’s happen with some of these hemp companies is they’ve gotten sued because they’re like selling basically weed so you look at steeing Georgia you look at some of these other lawsuits you know the line the lines are blurred between hemp and cannabis like you can’t you’re selling the same product and you’re trying to classify it as something else you’re not selling the same product hemp companies are selling hemp derived cannabinoids and mmtc’s can sell it all mmtc’s can sell hemp based cannabinoids and can sell cannabis what you’re up because they don’t need to grow 10 hemp plants to get the same amount of THC I mean hemp is just cannabis guys I mean like yeah yeah whether you grow like a plant that produces you know 1% THC or 3% or 20% it’s still a cannabis plant so at the end of the day THC as a molecule is what is what is intoxicating compound in the plant and so what you’re going to see with schedule three is they’re probably gonna get rid of all this [ __ ] and they’re gonna they’re going to regulate THC the same way regardless whether you synthesize it in the lab whether you got it from a hemp derived plant whether you got it from a cannabis classified plant whether some other plant they discovered in the bottom of the ocean makes the [ __ ] THC it’s going to be classified the same way alcohol is not classified differently if it came from potatoes or VA or grain or apples or or whatever like I don’t the time’s running out and people think like they they can kind of have their their cake and eat it too and at the end of the day everyone’s selling the same intoxicating compounds which which is THC and cannabinoids go ahead those compounds will be what’s regulated in in a post rescheduling world I mean the fact that the cannabis plant itself has been scheduled one it’s kind of ridiculous on its own because it’s a plant that produces multiple canono and when you look at everything else in the Controlled Substances Act it’s all a specific molecule right like LSD MDMA cocaine cyoc cybin cannabis has like whatever 10 cannaboids and maybe other rare ones hundreds of C so so at the end of the day what’s going to happen is they will regulate the cannabinoids by canabo like that’s what’s going to happen that’s why the hry exists today because because those synthetic and chemical dried cannabinoids they’re not regulated because they’re they’re novel right people synthesize so that’s why they exist today because they haven’t been explicitly banned may I go ahead Martha yeah thank you we’re supposed to be here debating Amendment Three and the only thing we’ve haven’t debated is Amendment Three you’re you’re saying what you would love you know what in a in a free world where we didn’t have all these government politicians we’d be able to consume cannabis freely and we wouldn’t go to jail but what is in Amendment Three you haven’t you haven’t brought brought up a single point as to how Amendment Three will solve that problem and you’re talking about the federal government amend legal may I finish my point please thank you Amendment Three only covers Florida so this is not going to be a federal thing and you’re right federal police don’t come into the State of Florida but you know who does the police and they still arrest people for cannabis and there’s no part of amendment three that states that police are not going to arrest you if if you don’t have it in an mmtc container so if you roll up your joints when you get your bud you take it out of the container and you roll it up into a pre-roll and you’re carrying it just like that you can still be arrested because it clearly states that it must be within that container and it must be that size what if you buy more than that or if you and a few buddies are all together hanging out and you all have you can still be arrested the point is everything that you’ve just discussed that you would love for it to happen this doesn’t solve that problem and I’ve pointed out how you’re giving full immunity to the mmtc’s so again I ask you what part of this law are you hoping for what part of this law is worth it for you to give up your rights and allow these companies who’ve already shown that they are Bad actors to give them full immunity from the law so that no matter what they do they you can never sue them which part of this law is going to protect you like you’ve been saying that it will the part that I can go to Florida and buy weed leave Al and not worry about it like it’s literally spelled out it’s where please point to the law I think that is a good an individual possession of marijuana for personal use should not exceed three ounces or five grams of extract you know personal use means possession so purchase or use of marijuana products or marijuana accessories by adults uh 21 years of age or older so it’s I mean I don’t know what you saying like you’re saying this amendment doesn’t legalize cannabis for ad adult use and and you you’ll still be arrested for for buying cannabis and walking out of a dispensary I mean that’s complete nonsense it so happens in California to this day it doesn’t completely legalize cannabis it does not is that the point Martha that you’re making yeah it’s not gonna completely legalize cannabis it’s not because to the dankin forer’s point he’s saying you know he can go in and purchase a limited amount but again that’s kind of where I I’m coming from where it’s like that’s why I love about hemp is to me one of my first experiences with legal cannabis was I was like I want that I want that I want that and they’re like whoa whoa whoa you can only have this much and I’m like the [ __ ] are you talking about I thought this was legal and that’s for possession on person you can go go in 20 times and buy the stuff and and put it in your house but they they have also come up I mean you’re you’re right you could do that probably like if you lived in Florida who’s buying more than an ounce for [ __ ] sake for Meo you smoke an ounce a day I no not a day a day but to go every single day to buy a cannabis why can’t I buy like I don’t buy my groceries daily why would I have to buy my cannabis daily I mean you don’t an ounce is not gonna it would be illegal if I have more than than that I mean an ounce I’m not legal five grand of concentrate is not goingon to last you like a [ __ ] a whole month I don’t buy concentrates I’m sorry I don’t anounce of Marijuana Is Not Gonna Last I See the point you’re trying to make uh you guys are getting stuck on these needy greedy details that don’t really make sense to the average consumer like 99.99% of people no but that’s the problem there is that it affects the average consumer like I was just saying the arrs that well the arrests that continue in Illinois are primarily in areas without dispensaries and those are the people that have always consume cannabis they’ve always been disproportionately affected by the war on drugs and they continue to be affected by these things you’re calling nitty-gritty details and it’s like well yeah because that’s important like what do you mean it’s Le it’s legal but it’s not that legal you know it’s like just a weird point that I feel like State programs have failed to address you get what I’m saying for the federal government has failed so State programs have had to do do what’s right but their people no but but the federal government just legalized hemp and as I was just saying no purchase limits no dosage caps no possession limits but but but what you’ve seen come from the hemp industry in particular which you know most people that consume cannabis consume flour like like yourself right you consume flour yes primarily right even Martha said she doesn’t buy concentrate most people liquid concentration no but hold on go ahead you’re saying most people buy flour were not able to get flour from the hemp industry for up until 18 months ago because thca really really proliferated when Joe Biden said hey I’ve directed HHS to reschedule cannabis and the hemp industry said [ __ ] like our days are numbered look at the Google Trend Trends uh search results thca exploded in interest right after Joe Biden said he’s instructed HHS to reschedule cannabis so which which that not buy thca thca was not a thing that that’s just that’s the hemp industry pushing the boundaries of what they can legally sell according to themselves uh through the hemp Channel who dispensary sells thca it this is this is a known for long time they’ve beening longer than 18 months and they got a lot of [ __ ] for it and the da came out and said thca does not qualify as hemp they’ve literally came out and said it’s it’s cannabis so so it’s not legal like you having a bunch of thca from a from a hemp industry which look don’t get me wrong i’ I’ve ordered this stuff online from Tennessee and North Carolina hemp Farms U it’s it’s real weed it is what it is but it’s not it’s not really going to save my ass if a cop comes in here and and takes it and tests it so what I’m hearing is that you just want a protection from the cops which is what we all want so get a medical license and then you can have your I can’t I don’t live in a state that has a medical program listen I am with you I want legal weed everywhere but what I my question continues to be how is putting bad laws on the books going to solve that problem of having bad laws on the books when you still are not going to be 100% legal issu they you know you have almost a million people in Florida who signed that petition so that ballot initiative so you know a million people that’s almost what 5% of the Florida population or quarter whatever I’ve collected petitions before can tell you the amount of people that read all four pages before signing it’s like do you want recreational weed yes Here sign ex that’s what people care about like they do care about recreational which is why I have a problem with this amendment because this amendment is not recreational the way those people think it is this amendment is going to give a full Monopoly on THC cannabis plants to the mmtc’s to only them and it gives them full immunity so no matter how much pesticides they put on the product no matter what they do they cannot be sued you cannot sue them when you have a problem and this is the problem I’m telling you just because we all want recreational doesn’t mean that we should give them this power this is what we did with the vaccines with fiser and we’re feriz this issue too we were like so desperate for a solution to covid that the US government on our behalf gave immunity to all these companies and when they injected people and there were bad side effects it’s like oh well you can’t sue you can’t get any type of recompensation for it you can’t get any help because they have now been granted full immunity and that’s what we’re doing here we are so desperate for recreational that we’re willing to give these companies whatever they want as long as we get it and question why is it that truly needed to pay $66 million to get this ballot Amendment passed instead of I don’t know improving their products why didn’t they just put out hemp products why didn’t they just fix the system but instead they went after the hemp Market they spent millions of dollars to go after the hemp market and then they’ve gone millions of dollars into protecting their Monopoly and I’m supposed to believe that they are doing this because they’re so wonderful and they care about us meanwhile this is going to mean that they can’t get sued that’s why they’re doing it every everyone’s looking out for their best interest and I mean just to give you a Counterpoint I mean why does you know representative Chuck Edwards from North Carolina come out and say I think cannabis should should remain a schedule one but yet he was the guy who Co co-sponsored you know the North Carolina Farm Act that legalized you know intoxicating H products we’ve already discussed that politicians are slimy and they you’re able to buy them I don’t know why we’re politicians there’s interests from both sides you know that are that are fighing to to protect their business but yes and what I’m saying as part of consumer class is that the consumers are not being protected by either one because nobody protects us and so what you’re saying is you’re going to screw over the the consumer by giving full immunity let me finish my point please you’re GNA give full immunity to these companies who spent millions of dollars to make sure that they get special privileges from those those same politicians that you’re saying but the politicians don’t care about us I know and these people have paid all this money so that they can get full immunity from it and you’re going to trust them because you want cannabis to be legal which is what I want too I’m just not willing to sell the consumer Upstream so you’re not giving these people full immunity by the way um I think that’s that’s that’s a very please point to where it says that there is no full immunity when I’ve read you the point where it says that they have immunity can and I will just say that a cannabis lawyer Tom Howard just uh commented he said he’s got to go but she’s not wrong on that point Thank you can sue them in federal court I mean it might say that they’re not subject to civil oh no yeah totally let’s sue them in federal court where they’re going to pull out this thing where it says that they have full immunity from it and let’s see how that goes we should totally do a Nancy Pelosi here and pass it and see what happens and if you’ve got an extra 70 million lying around maybe we can repeal it later sorry denin forer go ahead so the the paragraph says actions in conduct by medical marijuana Treatment Center register with the department or its agents or employees and in compliance with this section and department and Department regulations shall not be subject to criminal or LI or civil liabilities or sanctions under Florida law now it says in compliance with this section in Department regulations Department regulations might say you your product can’t have um pesticides in it and if they do you can sue them because they’re not in regulations with the with may I show my screen really quickly because here I have from the Wayback machine I have and and remind remember that the mmtc’s are in full compliance with the law and yet here this is this is the screen this is the Wayback machine because the fdax the department that regulates cannabis removed this because there were hundreds of complaints on their website from these mmtc’s be people getting poisoned there are people who testified because what we were talking about previously that hemp um that hemp initiative that passed I was at each and every one of those meetings and there were people that testified there that said that they had gotten sick from this cannabis and they reported it here and instead of addressing it they removed it so that same Reg atory body that simply removed this entire part of the website because you know they didn’t want to have to deal with this those are the people that are going to protect you and all consumers from from this terrible product that they can put out there with no issues again we are we the problem that we’re having is we’re speaking past each other I agree with you that hemp should and and cannabis should be completely legal what I don’t agree with you is to give these people that power over us because they’ve already had that power over us and they sold us some really bad stuff and they’ve never issued a recall there was only one company that was forced to recall um contaminated products and that was Flor grone and uh uh or I believe that had to recall no that wasn’t them sorry uh I have to find who recalled it but it’s been one company and one company alone that’s recalled in all of Florida at least what I’m seeing is I mean like I said the section says that the medical treatment center that’s in compliance with that section and the Department’s regulations I mean the Department’s regulations would outline things like you know you got to test your product for pesticides and things like that if your product had pesticides and you got sick from it you could you certainly absolutely can sue that company again the I’m bringing up history I’m not bringing up what I think I’m bringing up all of these products and I again showed you the thread on Reddit where people were posting batch numbers and it was a mega thread with all the batch numbers that had mold had issues the Florida Department fdax that regulates this had an entire website dedicated to tracking issues and they removed it all of these companies have been in compliance and never once have been out of compliance so you’re saying that somebody can sue them but the department itself that says that they’re in compliance says they’re in compliance so no you can’t sue them look just because someone posted on Reddit and didn’t report it to the department how’s the department going to know so the department entire website where they were collecting it last time that we all knew there were over 600 reports on that website we have issued foas for them we have issued them so that they could give us that information and they don’t want to release it because this is a lawsuit waiting to happen they have already not been in compliance with the law and the law still protected them and I just want to say that you know a lot of these operators also operate in Illinois our law is very similar I know maybe in some ways it’s apple and oranges so you know if you want to call me out on the comparison maybe it’s fair but Illinois is similar in many ways that you know as far as our test goes the Chicago Sun Times found that a lot of the regulated weed on the uh shelves were passed they tested them you know kind of performed an audit and most of the products that they purchased failed and Illinois Law I’m not exactly sure on maybe Martha or dankin Forma you you can pitch in on here but all regulation and uh recalls are not subject to public transparency in other words they’re confidential under law you can’t even Foya them um they’re protected under I don’t know about specific Clause but I guess the point I’m trying to make here is sure there there’s bad batches regardless whether it’s cannabis or produce and like I’ve bought [ __ ] from a Publix or a grocery store that was expired and I saw it after I already checked out like I didn’t even see the date there there’s bad batches from state legal cannabis operators there’s no doubt everyone everyone has bad productss or bad batches there is at least some level of legal recourse products from the hemp industry have zero recourse from a legal perspective because most of these are like tiny companies they don’t have regulatory requirements to test for mold or for microt toxins or for fungus so most of the products you know are you going to tell me that the majority of the products in the state legal Market are Le are less safe than the products in the hemp industry because the stuff in the hemp deriv cannabis industry are way worse well what I would say is as a cannabis consumer um you know testing is all good and well but like if you go back to the days of the federal government spraying paraquat on the plants like what that became was knowing your grower and trusting your source and so like I guess what you’re describing that’s kind of why I asked you that question earlier about like consumers being swindled it’s like a lot of cannabis consumers and like I mean think about the way you consume anything else like if you try something and it [ __ ] sucks and you have I mean you admitted that’s why you hate some of these products right you’ve had some bad experiences and it’s like all right well then share that with people and avoid those types of products and welcome above board regul companies are lobbying in Florida dude I did a whole thread five of these [ __ ] companies at least are lobbying in Florida against amendment three and they’re selling these hemp products they’re toxic compies that are lobbying you’re lobing in favor of amendment three I’m not lobing anything no one’s paying me a but you’re still lobbying you can Lobby regardless of being paid I’m lobbying for for tested safe cannabis that’s legal that’s not I won’t get arrested for buying it that’s not what Amendment Three is though so again we like I feel like we’ve just gone round and round can I just ask this question you and maybe I’m maybe you can like tell me if I’m just like misunderstanding you because this is what I think we’re not the drain we’re circling you said you like to buy tested safe legal cannabis and you’ve also said you’ve done that and you’ve also said the way you did that was to find out trusted sources just like I was explaining earlier and you avoid those sketchy ones so like what is the deal like what can you tell me because it took me a long time to figure that out after getting burned from buying these shitty products now imagine your your average consumer is not analytical like me and is going to go do all the due diligence and look at the coas your average consumer is like oh we did a gas station like I think your average consumer will door Dash it like he posted about the other day where cir Leaf is door dashing it now you know I mean like I feel like all this stuff is it’s going to work itself out there it’s available for quickly to purchase they’ll buy it I mean really you think that people walk into a gas station and they’re like oh this must be top quality stuff no like honestly you’re you’re arguing a point that you know is [ __ ] your cannabis consumer does not go into these gas stations that’s the point I was trying to make earlier these are different segmentations of the of the consumer so like your average Stoner that’s that’s smoking bud or was rolling joints he’s not walking into a gas station buying he’s getting it from his plug he’s getting it from growing in his basement um you know these wouldn’t it be cool to buy weed from the dispensary like if it was actually cool what if cure leaf or uh like GTI like would you buy it then I like to ask people this question because I’ve had this question or conversation before because they say I don’t know how I feel about these sketchy hemp operators I’m like all right well cookies is in it GTI is in it Cur Leaf is in it if you went to the gas station and saw those like wouldn’t that be [ __ ] baller like that’d be cool right yeah but but they do have fake cookie stores if you saw in New York there was a cookie store that was fake when when the whole you know [ __ ] roll out happened in New York they had all these you know there was a jungle boys that’s a Florida operator there was one in there’s one in New York that was a fake front for like you know products probably from the hemp industry I don’t know just to Circle us back to a mment 3 and we’ll close out like I just really think that it seems like if I could be fair to you the Dank forer you’re trying to argue let let’s not let perfect be the enemy of some incremental progress and Martha you’re saying you’re right rightfully calling out that this doesn’t say what a lot of people purport to it which is it does not fully legalize cannabis in the State of Florida the same issues will likely continue uh which which by that I mean like arrests uh in areas that always have and people just won’t be able to participate which also equals arrests because if you can’t participate the enforcement mechanism is AR rest right you know it also forces people into a potentially poor situation with not being able to purchase a weapon it’s it’s a lot of different things on top of it you also have the issue of no matter how you slice this thing that it gives immunity to these mmtc’s who’ve already shown to be bad actors heck the husband of TR leave executive Kim Rivers was sentenced to three years for ring politicians we’re not talking about like super awesome people who you know they’re so cool and they spent 66 million to pass us because they love us so much and they would love for all of us to not go to jail because they could easily have taken that $66 million to Lobby those same politicians to stop putting us in jail but they won’t because this is about creating a monopoly for them and about giving them immunity and so when people like you danin former are saying that we need to pass this because this is what’s going to save us and then you don’t you just completely eliminate from your mind think about it from the Investor’s point of view you’re an investor you buy investors with your own hard-earned money that you get in a W9 in your regular job you go out and you purchase these your stock purchase is directly affected by that $66 million that truly spent to make this happen if it does not go through not only have they lost $66 million but they don’t have a monopoly and let’s be honest their product is not great so if they can’t force their product upon all of us because it’s the only thing available they won’t be able to compete this is do or die for True leave and so when you are out here saying that you want to protect the consumer you’re not protecting the consumer you’re protecting true leave and it’s fine if you want to do that but we’ve been circling the drain we haven’t really discussed Amendment Three you’ve lied about what amendment three will actually do and on top of that you’re not here for the consumer because if you were you’d be saying everybody should go look at their products and check that the back which all products have a COA on the back if they are legal in the state of Florida all of them have a QR code you can just scan it and it quickly takes you just like you said that my product does because I am fully compliant you scan the back of it it takes you to the COA it tells you exactly what’s in that product what you are fighting for is so that your investment continues to be fine and listen that’s cool but you need to stop calling out like oh this is because other people are lobbying because you’re technically lobbying that’s what you’re doing here you’re here promoting something that benefits you and that is true leave and all the other mmtc’s and their Monopoly than can former I want to give you plenty of space because so yeah on the section about kind of like civil liability and or criminal liability you know it explicitly says that the medical marijuana treatment centers have to be in compliance with the the Department regulations so it’s not you don’t have like you know complete immunity to to not being uh you know subject to liability you have to be in compliance with the Department’s regulations which would obviously come in with like testing requirements Etc now that doesn’t specify it there so you’re using your opinion but sure go ahead it literally says it in compliance with the section and Department regulations and as I proved before they’ve been out of compliant they’ve sold you moldy weed they’ve sold you weed that had pesticides before in Florida I’m not talking about another state I’m talking about here in Florida I’m talking about can I just respond though so as far as like you know truly spending all this money I mean if it wasn’t for True Le you you wouldn’t even be able to vote for adult use cannabis in Florida so I’m personally thankful to true leavea because that I’m sorry we had Amendment too prior yeah we’ve already had amendments on cand um it passed it actually passed and our legislature didn’t do the job that they were supposed to do far as far as like you know the hemp industry and and when we talk about the safety of cannabis products I mean you could not convince me even if you gave me a million bucks that the products from the from the hemp dve Market are better than the state regulated market there’s just no way nobody’s made that argument you you literally mentioned that I said that they were similar I I did sorry I did and I said that they were similar that there’s really the difference there’s zero account ability for these hemp companies to make quality products that and and have consumer safety on top of mine because I’ve seen what they sell they sell you know the next synthetic canabo the next thing they can put in the Vape you know THC JD thcp um there’s even like some other nasty [ __ ] in like Europe like if you look at the Czech Republic had the same problem with CBD Drive products does this tie into Amendment Three I’m sorry I’m trying to I I’ll the plan in a second the reality is people want safe cannabis products that are reliable and that they won’t get arrested for and Amendment Three gives them that that’s what 99.9% of consumers want there is no Monopoly because there’s 30-some licenses in Florida the state legislature can issue more licenses if you have beef with the licenses go through the state legislature and compel them to do whatever the law is supposed to say about issuing licenses this is the licenses have nothing to do with the with the ballot amendment that that’s a separate issue it is not a separate issue because this ballot amendment gives the licenses the no it it allows the existing operators to sell adult use cannabis that’s how every State that’s ever legalized they went from nothing to Medical from medical to adult use who’s going to sell the can adult use for all of the dispensaries including the they didn’t have a fully vertical you see now you’re comparing things that are completely different Florida is a vertical Market in every other state you had people who were selling the dispensaries and you had the Growers and you had the processors now you’re comparing things that are completely uncomparable I I wouldn’t say that I mean every Market is different I would say that because in Florida you have to have fully vertical so it’s only going to be those companies and mind you many of these companies have multiple licenses they’ve been buying out the competition what this is going to lead to is a monopoly on one company the dominating company which I’ve mentioned many times today they are the ones that have multiple licenses they’re the ones that spent $66 million all they have to do after this passes is buy out the other licenses and you’re screwed you have the Monsanto of weed and you pushed for it and there’s no liability for them which is why they’ve spent this kind of money I mean it’s listen you can believe in Santa Claus and that’s fine if you do but you’ve gone around Twitter and telling everybody that this is the Salvation this is going to somehow protect you and I’ve asked you over the hour and 13 minutes we’ve been here please tell me where it says that it says that it’s going to be recreational great I love that but only for those companies and only if you buy from them and only if you allow them to do it I mean listen recreational means recreational that I can buy it from any retailer that I want to no that’s not what this is saying it’s going to say only from these anointed few and those anointed few are become gonna become fewer and far less and that’s what this that’s what this debate is about right it’s not really about hemp it’s about open access to the market am I correct absolutely and denin former do you disagree with open access to the market and is that why you support Amendment Three I I guess I support legal cannabis that’s safe and tested I don’t really care that’s like why her that that’s why that’s like I think the point maybe that that’s where we’re missing each other and this notion that like truly or somebody’s going to buy a hold the license is complete nonsense I mean planet 13 had to divest their mmtc license to buy out V can like no one’s going to go buy all the licenses and become a single single Monopoly in the state that’s just not going to happen Julie already has more than one license no the LIC the licenses are unlimited once you have a license you can have as many dispens yeah it’s unlimited but there’s you can there’s only like what 22 there’s 22 you can own the majority of them and control the market you know I it’s almost again this is like having a conversation with some Santa Claus yeah we’ll close soon here but I guess what I’m saying is you you know this as an investor Dan con forer I’m sure and look I invest in some of these companies too but I disagree with where with how they Lobby right you know I’m not saying I have strong investments in them it’s like chump change honestly like maybe in the $100 range just when I was young I bought cannabis stock and I’ve just held it because that’s what I was told to do right anyways though um do you I mean Florida is an appealing option there’s a lot of big money behind it because it’s it’s like the limited license state of the market because it’s Unique uh compared to Illinois because unlike Illinois while we’re limited licensed as you just pointed out the dankin former if you have one of those limited licenses you have unlimited potential as long as you stay within your vertical and that’s what people I think are truly debating I don’t think and like if that’s not on your radar I get that but I’m asking you is that on your radar as an investor like that’s why this state is appealing because it’s a limited license Market yeah I mean from an investment perspective it’s obviously appealing but this notion that gonna buy all the other licenses there are limitations you can’t own you know if you own more than 5% of one mmtc you can’t own another one so you know no one’s going to go a bunch of Lies that’s obviously not why would you buy another license when you just you just claim something as fact you said if you have 5% interest in one you can’t buy another one that’s false and I’d love for you to bring up the receipt for that you know what you can’t because it’s not true so I mean they have article I mean I don’t know sorry I don’t know about in Florida but they do have Provisions like that in Illinois I will say I have some proof that they’re not enforced medical director then you have sent a link he sent me a link scr down ownership restrictions on buying entity so thank that was a quick uh quick pullup there Mr denin forer one second I’ll share my screen um you said scroll down to what it’s literally this scroll down to owner ownership uh keep going owner hold on I’m G try to do contrl F damn it ownership restrictions ownership restrictions okay so I mean this this even this claim that you know truly somebody would buy all these other licenses why would you buy other licenses when your license literally provides you with unlimited cultivation and dis is this something that is talking about licenses as they are or is something that that if passed it literally says an if an individual owns more than no no I understand what it says I’m asking if this is because this is just this isn’t a law this is just an article written by Justin Dustin Robinson who’s an attorney here so I’m it’s an opinion what to consider when buying Florida Medical business you’re saying that’s his opinion on the 5% ownership cap it says at the top I’m reading you presented something and I’d like to read what I’m I don’t know if you just just don’t analyze the stuff you read but I do yeah apparently I don’t appar no I mean I get what uh I get why she’s asking the questions she’s asking uh danin forer and I thank you for bringing this up so that we can dig into it um so you’re yeah this was written on February 21st 2024 so this is talking yeah it’s a opinion article from a legal professional who seems so then different parts of the law and he references the sections so maybe I can look this up um you know um but yeah here’s the here’s the um 5% part that um dankin former was my point is that there’s no point for truly to go buy out Cur Le for whoever else like they have a limited they can build as many as dispensaries as they want so this notion that you’re going to end up with one like Walmart of of weed in Florida is just ridiculous I mean that again though you just said though that’s what’s appealing about that market right is that it’s a limited license Market which arguably creates these like super corporations I mean almost every state has some different variation of a of a you know there’s a cap on licenses you know you’re never going to get them yeah it’s well it’s yeah cannabis generation 2.0 exactly that’s what these companies all like they like uh you know um limited license States but you’ve got States like Michigan and I don’t understand the argument against open licensing I get it from an Investor’s perspective no forget investment perspective look at look at New Mexico I mean it’s a complete disaster in what way what about Michigan New Mexico is an unlimited license Market with I think over a thousand dispensaries with the what population less than 2 million people okay so here’s here’s everyone losing their ass the thing on that true leave that 5% the 5% um truly purchased Harvest and dissolve their assets so they kept uh and sold the paper license so whether that 5% is a rule or not it’s not even enforced because trul Lea was able to buy Harvest so you know what maybe that’s the law but again all this shows is that it’s not actually enforced and the the cannabis dispensaries are able to do it so you know what we’re back at the same point that I was making before regardless of what the paper says they still do it before we close just for my sanity can we just because Martha you said you admitted it the den conformer this is about limited licensing versus open licensing right right absolutely here but I just because that point hold on I want I asked the dankin former that question correct sorry what’s your question again this conversation isn’t about you’re you’re you’re basically saying we we need to have a limited licensed cannabis Market in Florida not an open licensed cannabis Market I didn’t say that’s why we go for oh sorry I don’t mean to that’s the existing structure of the whatever was passed why not make it better I guess is my question then instead of asking me you should be asking the state legisl legislature that’s well I’m asking you because you’re endorsing it over an option that that as you’ve experienced now if you look at New Mexico New Mexico is a perfect example of an uninvestable Market where everyone’s losing money because there’s unlimited licenses and there’s over a thousand dispensaries would you say the same about Oregon sorry Martha just real quick yeah Oregon is uninvestable from most uninvestable right but guess what who’s not complaining in Oregon cannabis consumers grown Rogue is not complaining there’s obviously oper cannabis consumers that they’re not complaining because they get their product at a cheap price I get what you’re saying it’s uninvestable but cannabis legalization in my opinion and this is coming from an advocate and I wanted to make this clear and I’ll pass that over to you Martha and I’ve already kind of said this but like I yes I do have some Investments but that’s not really why I do my show or do anything that I do I am a cannabis consumer and again that the reason I’m fascinated with this topic is because I’ve benefited for more access to the canvas plant via hemp than any state-based program and so like you know you want to talk about maybe it’s not investment friendly or whatever it’s like all right well is that what cannabis legalization was about all right I’d like saying that I’m just bringing that up as a point but fair okay let me just go back to the point that we had made because you know apparently according to what um the denin forer shared it said that you cannot purchase another one if you have 5% shares or more and so my point is well I guess we now either have a clear violation of the law that was allowed to happen or that’s not really the law so in either case I just wanted to bring it back to that because here is where I got that from truly buys Harvest creates world’s largest and most profitable cannabis company so clearly Kim Rivers owns more than 5% clearly when she purchased Harvest she owned more than 5% of harvest as well and so here we have it proof that even if that law is there it just doesn’t matter because this is the thing if you have enough money and enough influence which clearly truly even Kim Rivers does then you can do whatever you want regardless of what’s in the laws and what we’ve done now with Amendment Three is we’re granting this same person who’s continuously violated the laws whose again husband went to jail for violating the laws who’s been able to do all of this and create a monopoly who spent $66 million this is who you’re giving your there’s a lot going on here I’m sorry there’s a lot of truly hate going on here um you know that you’re you’re you’re confusing the the ownership cap with like the licensing and holding two licenses I’m not confusing Kim Rivers owns more than 5% yes I have no idea how much she owns um I’m sure we can find out because it’s a publicly uh the there’s a there’s a difference between buying buying buying a company no you said that 5% so I’d like to know does Kim Rivers own more than 5% because then said you can’t own two licenses because there’s a cap on the ownership percentage of but she bought a second license she didn’t buy she she acquired a company and then then they vested the license anyway okay I can’t keep doing this I gotta go just because you’re getting confused she bought two licenses but she didn’t own two licenses but she divested of one like like hold on what do you think happened with like Crest collabs in Columbia care their merger took forever because they couldn’t get anyone to buy their New York assets so they had to close the [ __ ] merger and the two companies parted ways and the merger never materialized because you can only have four licenses in New York nobody would buy the licenses so and who would buy more than one isn’t that what you said who would buy more than then why why would you anyways we’re going round in circles it is honestly I appreciate the the discussion I appreciate you coming on you didn’t show your face but I appreciate nonetheless you coming on and having this discussion you know at least you stood up to do it because I saw all of the people in that little thread saying oh Martha’s not going to do it here I am and here’s my face and my name is attached to it because I’m not scared of this I am not here for the money I’ve been a long-term Advocate and every time you guys insult me and tell me that I’m here because I want to make more money I’ve already closed this down I’m already done I don’t want to be a part of this industry with the amount of stuff going on and the amount of of people throwing shade for no good reason I’ve been an advocate way longer than I’ve ever been involved in him and you can go ahead and keep supporting this type of thing and this is why we have problems this is why people have been arrested for almost what we’ve we’ve had the arrest going on since at least the early 80s but really we’ve had this problem since the early 1900s for over 100 years we’ve had prohibition and people instead of having the the moral ability to stand and say no this is wrong it is wrong to give true Lea this amount of power and it’s wrong for them to pretend that this is actually recreational and it’s for their good we’re we’re going to skirt around it so we’ve we’ve gone around the this extensively at this point you’ve set your peace and at the end of the day you don’t want an open market and I do I want anybody who wants to grow it themselves and be able to to do that in their own home I think everyone should be able to grow should be able to but I believe in the free market and this isn’t a free market I believe everyone should be able to grow it themselves I have no problem with that the the problem comes in is when you want to engage in Commerce and sell product then ad hominum attacks and this is literally like them ad hom like listen it’s all good we can continue to disagree I really hope that when you tell people to vote for Amendment Three that you’re you’re going to save some money to help bail people out of jail because this is going to stop them from how how would that States legalizing cannabis reduces arrests like what like what are you even saying yeah let’s go ahead and and Legalize It let’s go ahead and do that what you’re doing is giving power to the mmtc’s we’ve already been over this but you’re making outrageous claims that that this is not gonna I’m not making outrageous claims I showed you all and I also made that claim that it wouldn’t stop arrests because I you can just look at Illinois for for an example if folks want to go to Coal memo.com isit legal I’m documenting many uh cases in Illinois because our law is very similar again to the Florida law uh with a 30 gr possession limit and all that such when you when you exceed that all of the same criminal penalties apply and that’s just that’s ridiculous and people continue to be arrested for more than that home cultivation included you know you want to talk like that’s not happened in Florida that didn’t happen in Illinois and people get arrested for that and so these nitty-gritty details that we talk about like they’re important because you know but you’re you’re you’re picking the exception and trying to make it the rule that that is not what happens on a regular basis people are not there’s no cops hanging out outside a dispensary waiting for you to walk out with that you when you bu legally bought arrest you that’s not I yeah and I want to thank you uh Martha and the dankin forer for coming on um Martha if you want to say anything before you go I know you said you got to you know the the um those tried to go against the hemp industry tried to make it a felony we were actually going to have people arrested for CBD and other hemp products in Florida had the santis not vetoed that product that that bill so actually it’s the inverse it is the lobby that is going for the mmtc’s that have tried to continue to criminalize and they are continuing this thing so I appreciate the time to have this conversation I Cole thank you so much for doing this you’ve been amazing um you know it’s just I feel like we’re not getting anywhere and a lot of non non-tr things are being said about yeah um this so all right thank you so much really appreciate it yeah and the D forer I want to give you space um and I’d also like to just have you on for another moment if you don’t mind uh because people are just just a quick point I want to make you know Martha said you know that H ban bill was gonna ban CBD in Florida which was a complete lie and I called her out on it the bill was not Banning CBD it was Banning CBD derived con and always like Delta 8 Delta 10 uh you know people always talk about like CBD and they Trad to hide behind the CBD label when in reality they’re selling you know synthetic THC canono like Delta 8 Delta 10 you know thco and and you can argue about whether it’s synthetic or not but the reality is these are all chemically derived in the lab uh you know no one’s ever gotten high on Delta 8 prior to the farm bill in 2018 you know no one was out there smoking you know Delta eight carts before they started synthesizing that from from Cannabis from CBD and same the same is true for you know Delta 10 and thcp and all these other cannabinoids and so I just want people to understand that like when we talk about the hemp industry you know the majority of those products are chemically derived from from CBD and and the hemp industry does sell legit products which are hard to find but there are some companies that sell them like naturally occurring canabo products um and recently they’re selling flower as thca so there’s that whoops I was muted uh cookies have been muted and uh cookies have been cookies have been doing it um some other companies have doing it I you know um it’s very interesting to see go on and uh I wanted to read some comments that have come in because some people were saying uh you know dank that I was very slided your way I’ll or not your way uh Martha’s way and I just want to I will give you the opportunity to respond to that if you’d like but I’d just like to if I could respond myself since it’s directly about me um you know as I’ve tried to say throughout this uh conversation and when we first talked and everything else I’m actually very much like with regard to synthetic cannaboids um especially like the old style ones K2 like I’ve had really bad experiences on them um now do I think they should be completely legal no I just think that they should be like subject to especially those products as we discussed last time the synthetic ones especially should be subject to like stringent regulations because as I think canant trip the guy Adam Terry from cantrip has discussed like something about um let like down the line reactions or something when you’re doing these synthetic processes like it’s always it’s like okay yeah we need more testing and I know that you’ve agreed to that in the past we need some like Universal testing standard but that’s like you know when people um I think what they said was uh again I’m going to give you the space here but just since the case of fairness um they said this is about limited licensing versus open licensing they were quoting me no it’s about endorsing the state endorsed legality of intoxicating cannabis products sold via hemp and it’s like look I don’t I I agree with an open market Amendment Three isn’t that what we have in Illinois isn’t that and like I really if if I were to give you any advice it’s it’s not to just take what you can get it is to work it out and and get it a little bit better and as you as you’ve pointed out man you’re getting better options what do you mean by by an open market by the way uh what I mean by an open market is that you should be able to apply for a license and get a license uh like pay a pretty nominal fee you should be subject to testing and regulations absolutely um and I actually there is one license cap that I agree with and uh that is what we have in Illinois which is like a per entity license cap which is what you don’t have in Florida so it’s this idea that you wouldn’t let any one operator get any bigger than the other right so in Illinois and I I don’t personally have like a a preference on the number but if I could just explain it and I’ll pitch it to you um if you have if you have like a response to this idea but like in Illinois we have a 10 dispensary cap a three cultivation cap so it’s like every you know everybody can get 10 dispensaries everybody can get three cultivation and you know you can get to be a big company like Cresco or GTI um but you can also you know start a small business and eventually possibly get to that level too and I think that that’s like that’s a cool idea where we fail in Illinois and again I’ll pitch it over to you is that we have limited licensing so it’s like not everybody can get a license but if you get a license you have those license caps so sorry if I kind of got a little muddy there but did that make sense but just one point I want to make here is yes you have these license caps for for State regulated cannabis companies but to give you the Counterpoint here that a lot of people that defend the hemp industry make it’s you know they often say oh well you know these big marijuana wants to kind of shut down the hemp industry and the open market um and they’re going to put all these people out of jobs but the reality is you know the hemp Market has had free reain like they they can you know do Commerce across state lines uh you know you’re growing a bunch of weed in Kentucky or or Oregon or California and you’re shipping it to the east coast um and almost no cannabis company that is publicly traded has really made money in the Cannabis industry like almost none of these publicly traded msos are really making money they’ve been they’ve been losing their ass because there’s cannabis sold everywhere through the ham Channel which is unregulated there’s no restrictions on interstate commerce there’s no extra taxes there’s no regulatory burdens and so to say that you know it’s really the cannabis license companies that are struggling and a lot of them are shutting down like you know people love to talk about msos or msos like these big companies but there’s thousands of other licensed State licensed operators that are just you know one state operator two State operator with like five dispensaries no one talks about those guys because they’re not publicly traded and because they’re not big enough to to talk [ __ ] about but those guys are losing their ass because the hemp because of their state based programs it’s because of the because the hemp industry is selling weed and I agree with you I actually as a consumer as a consumer would you buy an ounce for 80 bucks from the hemp industry or would you spend $300 from a from a regulated State cannabis dispensary well what I do is I go to Michigan and get it for $100 because I don’t go to the limited licensed States in Illinois because they have arbitrarily high prices for aason that’s that’s what I’m trying to tell you the spaghetti like law framework that where every state is different and you have to have these processing facilities these cultivation facilities in every state inherently you’re going to have much more expensive weed in in those States because you know they don’t they don’t benefit from economies of scale whereas like a hemp Farm hemp farmer can grow like a 100 acres of this stuff process it and ship it it just seems like limited licenses are an exercise and futility you’re trying to like uh push off the idea of Natural Market forces and it just it’s been failing every step of the way and people have been having great success in in hemp yes for all those reasons that you’re talking about they can take advant anage of banking they can get a you know a lot of things that uh cannabis operators like you say can’t do and and that’s a point that I’ll agree with you on and that’s why I think earlier that analogy that Martha gave of uber versus a taxi cab is like brilliant because it’s both you’re getting in a car or you’re getting high and it’s it is a car and it is cannabis but one person is subject to certain set of rules in this case the hemp industry is Uber and The Medallion holders are all these people with a state who got awarded one and now they’re [ __ ] because you know their competitor doesn’t doesn’t have the same impediments yeah so I mean I don’t know I think it’s going to go the way of taxis man like it it seems like either you double down on these State Bas by the way I just want to make a quick point on that Medallion I’ve actually been taking cabs from the Atlanta airport because they’re cheaper and they’re faster than waiting for an Uber like uber would give you the Dy have to be competitive it would be like 20 30% more expensive and I would have to wait like 10 minutes so I’ve been getting cabs recently because it’s been way faster well yeah they probably have to be competitive but that’s that’s why they were so pissed off back in the day because they did have a monopoly on and it was kind of like uber yeah because now it’s kind of swung the other way where Uber is uh kind of controlling the market if you will and now their prices are jacked up and their employees aren’t happy and you know what I mean like all these issues that happened with taxies now that’s they got banned from you know they got kicked out of some countries in in Europe for that reason because they basically subsidized uh subsidized their drivers to eliminate the competition which is the taxi industry and then they jacked up the prices you know back in the day you could get an Uber for like six nine 10 bucks now the same distance is like 40 bucks yeah but yeah I mean in regards again like I said almost nobody in the state regulated cannabis industry is making money um at the end of the day you have the hemp industry selling pretty much identical products without regulations and and and overhead and and all that compliance burden um and we we’ll see what happens with schedule 3 because I think that’s what’s going to really the line’s gonna get drawn and and whether the da says you know THC is what’s being regulated or not we’ll see yeah yeah I just again just to close like I just get where you’re coming from from an investor an economic perspective it’s you know I’m no Economist but I get why a race to the bottom is not like an investor friendly like Market but it’s like my reply as a consumer it’s like you know that’s never what legalization was about I think it should be available at the corner store I think people should be able to have peders uh licenses should they be subject to testing yeah if they’re at a commercial level for sure but there should also be like cannabis farmers markets right and uh if you’re going to sell Delta a or thco or anything synthetic or you know where you have to do a conversion you should be subject to higher standards you know and making sure that that is a safe product and it just feels like that gets lost in the Nuance sometimes on Twitter you know yeah that’s what I was trying to say you know it’s a it’s a three-legged Beast the hemp industry you know I I’ve been using products that are natural canabo from the hemp industry you know Delta 9 and CBD and CBN uh but they’re not you know I’ve had to find companies that are legit that do it by the book and coincidentally they’re the ones that are publicly traded because they have a legal council that has to hold the the management accountable shareholders and they have a board of directors so you know the the the the legal quality CBD products I bought have been primarily from like you know subsidiaries of publicly traded companies because I know those people have a much higher scrutiny for what they do due to the fact that publicly traded that’s why I like this company because they have a hemp license but they also have an Illinois cannabis license so it’s like you know they like it’s like don’t want their brand to be tarnished from like some stupid they they have a higher standard they want to sit for themselves and then for their investors and you know you know their license so they don’t want to get you know in trouble and lose their license but whereas like all these other processors are like I mean it’s you know I just feel like those those people are going to go with not only those regulations you were saying are going to come by come down the line that that’s how it’s going to be those really sketchy people selling the powdered nugs and [ __ ] if you’ve seen that the green and purple nugs and then uh like I feel like that shit’s going to be addressed um I just hate the idea that we would have to double down on these some of these like I Florida specifically just an awful awful program I know it’s a good investing program but it’s like as far as a consumer goes just like I mean I know you’re going to be able to go and get your weed man but it’s like if that’s all you want to be able to do like I I’m certainly not going to get a open a dispenser in Florida cuz I don’t live there right right I know and see I don’t either man that’s the other thing about me I don’t have any investment I don’t ever plan to get in the Cannabis business again I’m just a consumer and like I don’t know man I’ve lived in a limited licensed state for a while now in the medical days and now in the adult use days and just all the weed [ __ ] sucks it’s overdried these big commercial companies just don’t know what they’re doing and we’re lack like I say all these experiences that you have Market I do there’s a tent right behind this camera grow your own I don’t know people people keep saying like oh we want home grow just grow your own [ __ ] weed in the closet and don’t tell anybody like No One’s Gonna Come and get you like Fair it just sucks that you know we I feel like these cannabis companies should be the first in line and I would [ __ ] be the first in line to support a cannabis company that put on their package like and could back it up that’s important you know if you buy our cannabis these dollars go to you know making homeg grow legal like I don’t understand why they’re not that’s such good PR for them and the fact that they seem to oppose it is just like what the [ __ ] I think they I mean like TR like truly for example everybody hates on you know they actually sell clones in states where home grow is legal you can go buy a clone and you can go plant it and let it grow and like Massachusetts is that yeah they sell clones um and it’s like people love to hate on the big companies like whether it’s like cure Lea true Lea like Verano or whoever like just because you know it get true Lea does get some especially for what happened in I don’t think they’re in Massachusetts anymore but what happened in Massachusetts like I mean look like [ __ ] happens accidents happen everywhere like that’s not you know oh and I hear that yeah that’s not unique to trly like that’s going to be the next thing like people are going to have find find that one bad negative story and then make it sound like everything this company does is horrible and and unfortunately that’s the reality we live in where like you know people love to exaggerate and get the conversation going and you know negativity spreads more more on social media but you know it’s like if it wasn’t for truly you wouldn’t even been able to vote for adult use cannabis because that’s sponsored safe Safe and Smart Florida they they’re the ones that put up the money and resources to to draft the language to to make sure it passes Supreme Court like the Florida Supreme Court review you know that was the biggest obstacle is like is this Florida Supreme Court going to strike this ballot initiative down because the language again um what’s crazy is funded all the all the all the signatures to get gathered yeah this same conversation happened in Illinois man like people were like hey this new cannabis regulation and Tax Act it’s backed by all the big cannabis programs it’ll give us 30 grams or less but it’s going to be a limited market sure there’s another proposal out there that would be open market and allow an unlimited amount of Growers but like but nobody wants to fund that are you GNA fund that no you’re not so and and yeah they didn’t yeah they did not fund that in fact they so the bill originally had homow and licensed uh the licensed cultivators and law enforcement ended up asking that that language be removed from the law so it’s like all these thing and but but to your point like to your credit and you’re to your point what people were saying back then was hey I want to be able to go to a store and buy weed and my thing is it’s just like that’s not good enough for me you I me but it’s kind of like the people they’re like oh well you know schedule 3 sucks like it’s not the scheduling it’s like schedule it’s like the schedule were bust well it’s like dude like the fact that the government the federal government of the United States is even acknowledging the fact that cannabis has medical value right like that is huge by itself yeah it’s not descheduling it’s not Canada it’s not Germany but it’s it’s something right it’s better than nothing and so people people love to like the the All or Nothing perspective you know if if that was the whole mentality then we never have state legal cannabis in the first place either so you know incremental progress is what moves the step moves you forward like another step and then you know next year you try again and you try again I mean you know look at Georgia we’ve got a LW t low THC program similar to what started in Florida um and that’s hopefully eventually going to grow but you know it’s like you can’t have one without the other when you have all these special interests fighting against it like you have to start somewhere and kind of build your way up yeah yep well said well hey man I just want to thank you for coming on and for staying on the whole time I know that there are times where it got heated and um you know I’m just I appreciate you for staying on the whole time and uh coming on and uh you know I hope you come on again sometime I think it be interesting to talk about rescheduling and all these things that are coming down the pipe because they’re they’re going to happen uh and I think maybe soon what’s your speculation on that before we go do you think that’ll be happening before the election I don’t know I mean scheduling I mean you would think so uh because you know it’s obviously Joe Biden’s in the Democratic parties’s initiative and last last elections campaign promise um even though it’s not the full promise it’s just scheding um you know you would imagine they want to get it done before the election for sure just to get the voter turnout um and it probably will I mean before the election right it’s kind of like why would you waste that political Capital right why why I wait for the election to pass and then announce it um and it’s been going on for a while if you think about it you know the whole directive to rescheduled cannabis was it it started it was announced on October of 2022 and then HHS basically recommended scheduled three in August of last year so it’s been going through the process right and like uh I don’t know if you watch the Dell’s report today yeah um I think cesco’s is the CEO that said look this has been going on at the highest levels of these agencies and they want to make make sure it’s durable and it gets done the correct way right you don’t want to rush a process and then you know expose it to like legal challenges and then now we’re back to square one and cannabis is schedule one again right so you know it’s go it’s going through the process you know the comment period’s over so hopefully the de will will weigh in soon yeah and uh just a shout out to Charlie backel he came on to episode 39 of my podcast uh and uh the way we ended off the podcast was talking about uh well we said hey well next time we’ll reconnect is uh when we get a rescheduling announcement so maybe we’ll have another podcast with uh Mr Charlie backel yeah that was a good episode of The Dales report if people want to look it up I’ll try to remember to put a podcast a note in the podcast description by the way today is 8 August 12th 2024 if you’re not watching this live if you’re watching it at a later date um the dankin forer just again wanted to thank you uh for coming on um you know staying the pace and even hanging out with me afterwards to have an extended uh conversation um looking forward to the next time we chat I’m sure we’ll be uh you know interacting in the Twitter sphere um before you go do you want to say anything yeah I just want to close out with I don’t work in the Cannabis industry I don’t get paid to lobby for the Cannabis industry like I said I just want Safe products for consumers I’ve been burned before by by very poor products uh and yeah know what you consume and just you know check your sources cool man all right well uh thank you again for joining uh you don’t have to stick around I’m about to close out the show with a trailer for my upcoming mini documentary and uh when we’ll close out this live stream so if you stay Thank you if not it’s okay all right man take care yep folks thank you for tuning in to this episode of the co memo Let’s uh here’s a teaser at my upcoming mini documentary I started consuming a little bit more than 10 years ago and I never imagined that I would live in a world with legal cannabis but the push to legalize marijuana in Illinois gets a huge boost as it’s supported by the state’s next Governor after legalization came to be I started a podcast I am Cole Preston and I quickly learned we still have more ways now to get in trouble criminal trouble for cannabis than we did before 2020 I will be releasing a retrospective mini documentary 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