The Cole Memo

In this episode, I chat with Dr. Regina Moore, a semi-retired pharmacist and mushroom foraging enthusiast. During the episode, we explore the world of Amanita muscaria mushrooms, discuss their uses, the recent surge in their popularity, and the recent headline stories about mushroom products. Tune in for an enlightening discussion on psychedelics, regulation, and drug policy reform!

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Links mentioned during show

• Regina’s website: reginamoore.me
• Buy stickers from Regina on Etsy by clicking here
• The unregulated sale of Amanita muscaria mushrooms needs a public health response 
• Episode 5 with Masha
• You can view the interview that I mentioned featuring Dennis here
• FDA – investigation into Diamond Shruumz-Brand Chocolate Bar –

The auto-generated transcript is available below.

hello and welcome Regina it’s good to see you again yes you too Cole yeah and we’ll tell people about maybe the first
time we met um but before we do that do you mind introducing yourself to my audience telling us a little bit about
yourself as well sure um so uh my name is Regina Moore I am a pharmacist and uh
I mostly retired from pharmacy at this point I don’t work very much maybe a day or month um I should use my official
title Dr Regina Moore but I don’t throw that out too much um I live out in
Oregon on the coast in an area that’s got lots of mushrooms so I’m a big fan
of mushroom foraging um I’ve also had a longtime interest in psychedelics it’s probably
one of the uh one of the factors in becoming a pharmacist my dad’s a
pharmacist too so I already had the little bit of a nudge there with a parent in the profession but um
definitely had an interest in specific types of drugs and uh let’s see what
else um I’m a co-founder of the Psychedelic pharmacist Association it’s a
nonprofit space um for pharmacists but also other people who are interested in
more of that science uh side of things and potentially psychedelics as medicine
um to learn and network uh I was on their board of directors from the
founding in 2021 time doesn’t doesn’t work real well anymore but um I stepped down from the
board of directors last summer and uh I’m on The Advisory Board now and uh I
also run a business called women’s personal finance mention that I’m semi-retired um so have done fairly well
financially and uh now do a lot of um public Outreach education Financial Empowerment type stuff that’s awesome
that’s awesome and yeah that’s one of the first things I learned about you because I’m going to share my screen
right now you had this bag and we’ll we’ll tell people where we met here in a moment but you had this bag and I was like this bag is freaking awesome and
you said you got it from like a pharmacist uh convention or something like that I totally thought it was like
from a you know like a place we were at and we were at psychedelic science 2023
so that’s where we met in Denver yeah I picked that up I think at the national uh Community Pharmacy
pharmacists Association one of their annual meetings and that would have been before 2009 so maybe 2007 or 2008 and uh
you one this is back when there was a little more swag out there to be had too you don’t see a lot of um Drug Company
related swag I think this was from a generic drug manufacturer but um they definitely had a had a a prime piece
maybe more than they realize so that will be a part of my collection for many years yeah and for our listen I should
say the bag says so many drugs so little time and I feel like that’s just my life
story and I’m probably not the first person to make that joke um but anyways
yeah like I said we met at psychedelic science 2023 I believe that Jean Lacy introduced me to you and uh you know uh
We’ve recently reconnected I wanted to give Dennis Walker from M prur shout out
we recently reconnected at his incubator and some of the discussion that has come up
and I’ve seen these headlines I’m going to display one right now and then we’ll back up for a moment uh but some of
these headlines that have been in the news lately have been like the unregulated sale of amonita muscaria mushrooms needs a public health
response before we get into the headlines and the news I wanted to show people some pictures of amonita
mushrooms for a moment and can you tell us like what are amonita mushrooms uh
maybe we just start there and then um go on maybe to the headlines does that sound good
sure um so uh so amonita mushrooms is uh is is actually a fairly large group of
mushrooms there are many in the amonita genus um one of them is the toxic uh
amonita fides so um it’s a it’s a definitely an interesting subsection of
mushrooms and then um there are uh a portion within that group um amonita
mascaria the most common one you that’s often got the bright red cap um is in
there along with uh another less well-known but still popular in the amonita world um amonita
pantherina and uh these are uh species along with some others that are less common that produce two main um
psychoactive uh chemicals uh mol and tinic acid and there are some other um
chemicals constituents in there too especially we start to learn more and more about different things in a lot of
um fungal species but uh it is arguably one of the
older um I don’t know fungal uh medicines or uh you know uh with
cultural use and um uh there’s a history definitely in uh Asia and up into Russia
and Europe um some questions maybe even about use in India and references it to um Amina muscaria
maybe being uh Som a lot of different different theories on that kind of thing
but um it kind of uh went out of common popularity in the west though it’s
remained popular in other parts of the world and is also um considered to be a choice edible mushroom when prepared
correctly in some places like in Mexico they eat it fairly regularly from what I understand um but it’s definitely uh
getting a big Resurgence in interest right now in uh in America in particular
um I think writing off of the the general like psychedelic mushroom hype given that they are legal in every state
in the US except Louisiana I think there might be a couple caveats of some loopholes in other states but generally
speaking they’re legal and they will intoxicate you in large enough uh doses
so we’re seeing them explored a lot more and also in commercially available
products now yeah and you know not to to get into another topic but it just the topic
itself reminds me of like the farm bill and and some of these hemp derived products where it’s like people are
wondering like why all of the sudden have you seen a surgence maybe that’s not the right word a preponderance of
these products and it’s like well because they’re not illegal and like you said I think I think you really actually
identified another part of it that really spurred the prop pance if that’s the right word I’m having trouble with
words I guess today um which is kind of the Psychedelic movement right that may have influenced like the popularity of
these things um they look a lot cooler than the regular like coces too well and
I was just going to say like I feel like it’s the only like um it’s not a psychedelic you can correct me on that
but it’s the only like or maybe it is I don’t know exactly how to classify it but let’s just say it’s the only drug
that I feel like most people already know what it looks like I mean there’s the Emoji we’re looking at that right
now um the Mario mushroom like it just it seems like in pop culture like people
are like like if they saw these mushrooms they’d be like they maybe couldn’t name amonita muscaria but they’re like why do I why do I know this
red mushroom with the white spots and like ubiquitous too like you see it on like Christmas cards from like the turn
of the century and um a lot of a lot of places and like they’re really beautiful
especially if you see like a nice deep red specimen they can be kind of glossy like they they don’t always look real
yeah yeah straight up straight up they look like a cartoon cartoon mushroom um
so so it it is it a psychedelic I guess can we start before we get into the headlines like I I’ve heard it’s a
deliriant maybe it’s a psychotropic like there’s a lot of different words I’ve heard uh so I mean I I think this is a
hard one to give like a yes or no answer on because the term psychedelic is like a lot more broadly used than like even
in my uh like historical Narrative of how I would use that word um so I think
most people would say that it isn’t really a psychedelic um at high enough doses it can be a hallucinogen
potentially but it’s not anything like uh like pilos mushrooms or um or LSD uh
it is more like a dissociative or deliriant um uh probably a closer well
assuming assuming you’re you’re going for the mimal portion which is what has been more classically uh used when
people are experimenting with amonita they’re trying to get um most of the tinic acid out um it’s more like alcohol
or benzo aines like Xanax and it’s more that kind of a thing um versus a
traditional like going to have a visual trip right and I realize now that I’ve
asked that question you you perfectly answered it and why that was kind of kind of a bad question because like as
you said um you know that definition of psychedelic it’s like kind of uh
flexible right now I don’t know that it’s solid like I I just listened to speaking of Dennis I need to figure out
what podcast it was but I listened to a podcast that Dennis appeared on and he was talking about how like cannabis and
a lot I agree with this cannabis could be considered a psychedelic at higher doses but maybe not at lower doses uh
just depends you know so I really like how you approached uh that question because um it can provide a
mind-altering experience I guess we can say that right is that a a fair phrasing
yeah yeah and I’ll try to have that podcast Linked In the show notes I did just find it it was a reality sandwich
so if folks want to check that out um but anyways uh back to the headlines now
that we’ve kind of established what amonita muscaria mushrooms are what people are shooting for which is like
the muskal um typically um so let’s talk about these headlines
right because these products are are legal what’s been what’s been going on from like your perspective um all right so um like
backing up further right I live in Oregon and amonita is pretty prolific especially where I live I’m I back
National Forest uh I uh so I started paying a lot more attention to like you
know the what was happening and being talked about with amonita probably about four years ago um because I like I had
like this sense that like well one you see it on like mushroom forums and people will be like my kid touched this
mushroom like I heard it’s poisonous are they going to die and and so there was obviously like a lot of Baseline fear
with it um and I knew that that wasn’t accurate but I was able to pick up that
like there are definitely people who are like using this Mushroom in in other ways so clearly it’s not just straight
up toxic um and so I started paying a lot more attention and getting involved
into some in some forums I also forage mushrooms and have sold mushrooms like culinary mushrooms to local restaurants
and things um and wanted to be able to start offering amonita and I’m a
pharmacist so I wanted to make sure I wasn’t going to be doing something that not I don’t want to kill somebody here
um and uh started joining some of the amonita specific groups um at this point
I’m one of the um moderators on a pretty large amonita Facebook group called amonita magic and
science and what we have seen over the last few years there as um this like
huge pop culture interest in amonita has risen is that there are a lot more
people who are trying to gain access to to products they don’t really understand
what they’re going for they just think like it’s a psychedelic and it’s legal or they may even think like it’s a magic
mushroom and I guess it’s arguable you could call it that too right it has some effects um and uh and Commercial
products have started to pop up so what we were seeing at first um most commonly
was uh like gummies starting people were mentioning they’re getting all these different types of gummies um and
and at there’s also people who are making their own tinctures and and
different things that they sell and that has traditionally been like fairly small batch you know they’re doing it in in
their in their homes or in in small businesses and it’s been a pretty niche
market but with this explosion into the gummy space it starts to look a lot more like things that you see uh at
dispensaries a lot more uh fancy branded packaging um what really uh uh got me
interested in tracking that highly though was seeing the like the marketing language that it was being was being
used um because they were referring to um to like uh uh Salos cubensis strains
like uh like blue raspberry hidal wave mushrooms and you’re like well I don’t
think that’s legal and then you look at it on the packaging and it’s it’s something where they’re purporting it to be
amonita so I was interested because for one I have concerns about like the the
way that uh like the packaging can potentially like Target kids and teens even with cannabis type stuff um right
like that question and discussion comes up in a lot of places when things become legalized uh but on top of that to have
something that seemed to have some really ambiguous messaging and was uh
making itself sound like it might be the type of magic mushrooms that people are
used to thinking of but that if they take it without understanding it are
likely going to have um an experience they weren’t expecting which could mean
uh you know an adverse outcome but as we tracked that further
people were also reporting other things like uh nurses who used gummies and
showed up positive for THC at work on drug tests or people who you know have
had experience with more classic psychedelics and saying like this wasn’t what I was expecting this really felt
like like a different kind of a trip like it didn’t just mellow me mellow me out and help me sleep like a lot of
people you who are using amonita for the mimal component they will use it as a
sleep aid or to try to have more intense dreams some people are using it to wean
off of alcohol for themselves or to try to wean off of benzoa aspenes so
if you do that and instead you just end up really high um not really what you were going
for uh so that’s that’s been going on for a few a few years but like in the
last year in particular it’s like the Market’s just exploded with a bunch of different products and now there’s a lot
more question about um what the products are actually made with and
safety yeah um I think it was Masha who said that they you know tested some of
these products in their labs and as you said you know some were coming up with THC some were coming up with actual like
psilocybin uh or psilocin or whatever it is when it pops up on a test um and some
with other like she seemed to indicate maybe even other compounds you know like research chemicals stuff like that um
yeah quick shout out for Masha she was on episode five if folks want to check it out she worked works with a lab
that’s registered with the Drug Enforcement Administration um so check that out but
yeah um crazy stuff crazy stuff you think you’re buying an Amon mushroom bar
and you’re buying a freaking lowd do cannabis bar with siloc hybin in it and maybe some other research chemicals or
who knows what so like we um we actually were able to get some products tested
and I don’t I don’t want to get too deep into it because it’s like focusing on a specific potential vendor and but we
sent some products out that um a lab did some pro bono testing for us like as
this as the amonita science and Magic Facebook group people and the there’s a
Kofi page like if you search amonita Kofi you can find that and we did share the laboratory results and that’s almost
a year ago now and it was like all over the board what was in in them there were
some that had like no active products others that had uh I think some uh like
some psilocybin some had mamol some had ibotenic acid like so it was not even
that you could guess at what you are getting like I understand that um that
some people are maybe trying to kind of circumvent the law and may be ambiguous about what they’re putting in things
which is you know it has its own potential problems but even in that
ambiguity here you can still have like the same you know packaged product and
could be getting something totally different Case by case yeah it’s crazy and like you had
said earlier like uh you know I have a younger brother that had heard that
micro doing might be helpful to him because he’s struggled with with different issues as as we all sometimes
do and he went to a head shop just to get some papers or whatever and and yeah
he was like are those mushrooms and they totally like he came to my house and was like they gave me psilocybin mushrooms
like they totally told it was like siloc cybin and I was like no no no read this packaging and that’s you know maybe
that’s a little bit of an anecdote and that’s like on that head shop or whatever for bad information um but like
you say I mean you just said it anecdotally I’ve had somebody close to me go through that experience and
luckily I was able to tell them like hey that’s not what this is and they still ultimately said they had a great
experience but I wanted them to know what they were taking I was like there’s no way there’s just a shop selling magic
mushrooms which is how a lot of these products seem to be sold you know yep so well what do you think is like
the the route forward um you know they say unregulated sale so obviously I feel
like off The Hip we say all right let’s regulate it as easy as that or what well so like it’s it’s interesting that this
conversation is coming up right now and I’ve in in our amonita Facebook group some people of course like went full
cons iracy angle with it because the that um that call for potential
regulation if you click through further is related to um some research article
that was published in the last month or two and they compared amonita as being like as toxic to
fentanyl I haven’t dug into it that far um because I I mean depending on how you
want to pose things like there’s a lot of ways you can potentially make like data say what you want so I I
but I don’t think that’s generally the case amonita is pretty safe for most
people if it’s inappropriate Doses and they have some education and expectation about what they’re getting or at least
with mimal um so that came out in June I think maybe it was the end of May right
as uh this issue with diamond shrooms bars is like showing up in the news like
I was visiting family in Nevada and suffering through my uh family members
ever present Fox News and like it like showed up on there like you’re hearing and it and it was funny how they talked
about it because it was like don’t buy these mushroom chocolate bars and it was like this specific brand and I was like
I don’t know this is like one no this is not good but it’s also kind of like cool in a weird way that they’re just saying
like don’t buy these as if like people are just normally buying mushroom chocolate bars now like it’s common in
NF right yeah so here’s the here’s the ongoing FDA update on the investigation
into this particular product um but it seems that like throughout the country there there have been some um some uh
major problems from these um some hospitalizations I think they said they’re investigating one fatality even
and I don’t know enough about what’s happening there like on some level there’s a question of you know if you
take too much uh mimal like you could be look like you’re sleeping for a really
long time like I can see somebody walking in and not expecting that to happen and taking like did you know what’s going on with this person I can’t
wake them up or something along those lines and that could result in a visit to the hospital does it mean that harm
actually occurred not necessarily but when something you’re not expecting happens we have problems um but the but
it looks like the lab testing they’ve done on a couple of those products isn’t returning any amonita either so there’s
like these two conversations taking place right at the same time these like
who knows what’s in them at least some like 4AC DMT and um like some Cava uh
extracts or I don’t know it lists it on the FDA thing we know that was in that bar and then we have another thing
talking about amonita being more toxic than fentanyl so I have a feeling that
regulation of some kind is likely to be coming um and fingers are crossed that
it doesn’t mean that it gets that they get scheduled because I don’t think we know
what else to do with drugs that have psychoactive effects other than call
them Controlled Substances thank you and you know we I brought up Farm the farm
bill earlier and again I I don’t mean to get into it but look yeah you’re called
the Cole memo like you’re gonna touch on that stuff right right exactly but like
these cannabinoids and and let’s just talk about these chocolate bars too like all these things and like you say
there’s that conversation of what’s in them and it’s like I I hate that it seems like yeah
off the hip the answer seems to be to schedule the drugs and it seems like even some people in the Cannabis like
crowd especially people that are invested are like applauding the scheduling of uh they
want hemp to be scheduled like cannabis and it’s like guys the thing about drugs
is like we should all agree like if if we’re going to and I know I’m making broad brush statements here but I just
I’m kind of on my soap box for just a moment um if we’re going to say that like you know we’re a psychonaut or that
you’re pro drug reform then you should be anti- Controlled Substances
Act Like that’s that’s just where I’m coming from and like I I the Controlled Substances Act just the way that I look
at it is like that doesn’t mean no regulation alcohol and tobacco are
highly regulated and they are not controlled substances so what are your any thoughts on that um
I mean when it comes to Natural Products I’m against scheduling like I think you
should be able to pick things and harvest things um and so so definitely I
can I can be with that um I mean I’m a pharmacist I understand a lot of like the other side of that picture so I’m
not like against having controlled substances on principle um I definitely
think we have a lot of room to to improve how we handle uh drugs in general and that we should be moving to
some sort of mechanism where adults can engage with things with education um so
I’d like to see people have access to Safe supplies and things like that I don’t really know you know what that
looks like because we do also have the whole medical side of things and there are needs to track that and regulate it
and make sure that you know Insurance isn’t being defrauded right so that part
complicated but um I don’t I I I can support regulation perhaps but I don’t
support uh mushrooms being further restricted into controlled substance
categories and to me the regulation I think should be more on like uh a
general uh like production facility kind of a way right like we have lot numbers
right uh we track where we’re getting our ingredients you know whoever we’re getting our ingredients from if they’re
giving a like a final type product that gets mixed in they should have lot numbers right you should be able to
easily track things and figure out what in went into something so that if there is a problem like is happening with
diamond shroom bars um you can follow those trails and figure out where the problem occurred um not just restrict it
altogether yeah yeah and thank you for for like helping to the thing I like
that you led with was talking about like access to the plant kind of in in the spirit of multiple points of access I
think that’s kind of the point I was trying to make for folks if if I got lost in my sbox speech it was more so
that like like you say just having a plant as a controlled substance like
maybe yeah we can talk about the derivatives and synthetic forms of it maybe that gets into like Marinol for
example that’s an FDA approved cannabis drug right um but like you say having a you know a
mushroom scheduled or the cannabis plant scheduled it’s just like it’s just bad
it’s not good policy you know yeah I think it should be like having Tomatoes like you know if you’re selling 40,000
tons of tomatoes there’s some regulation involved there and I don’t know I’m sure they
make like tomato extract or something like there’s like you know like there when it starts being processed in a lab
it gets a lot number like just treat them more that way yeah yeah and I’m glad
that you said it that that because you actually did just touch on one of my favorite things from it’s like we keep
bouncing back over to cannabis but of course there’s a lot of relation you know it’s like the communities blend together but um it’s the idea the model
for legalization is already out there it’s Tomatoes more tomatoes are grown in America by home gardeners than are
produced commercially yet this is the important part there is a robust commercial market for tomatoes and
tomato products of all type canned Vine ripened organic sauces soups Etc yeah at
the same time small scale specialty cultivators do well selling their produce at farmers markets home gardeners with extra tomatoes share
their Bounty with their neighbors as gifts in trade or through Informer informal sales cannabis and I’d say
psychedelics like you know especially amonita mascaria mushrooms and psilocybin could be handled the same way
so I like that you brought that up because and I didn’t even know you had that on the ready oh I just Googled it I
have I just have that off the hip because that’s the Tomato model if people want to Google it for themselves it’s the idea that yeah I like that that
first line there because it’s almost unbelievable but I fact checked it and it’s possible that my factchecking
wasn’t as rigorous as some but more tomatoes are grown in America by home gardeners than are produced
commercially and I think that’s an important believe that yeah it but it it was like man really because like you
think about all the stores like there’s a lot of you know you can go to any store right now and get a tomato I figured it would have been like more or
produced commercially but yeah like you say it’s it’s more likely and even this and I tried to fact check it it seems
that more tomatoes are grown by home gardeners and I bring that all up to say back to where we started plants can
obviously be grown safely W with minimal regulation with with no issues you know
and that’s kind of I think that’s the part where we agree on on the controlled substance act that that I just hope that
people that that really hits home for people like you say the answer should be adding oversight things like lot numbers
testing to ensure that what you’re getting is what it says it is not let’s
just throw it in a you know scheduled drug and make it so that we can’t do anything with it it’s like well right
yeah Cottage food laws I don’t know how strong they are where you are but out in Oregon there’s there’s quite a bit of
leeway for um people making various like Foods or selling eggs out of their home
and things like that so I think you know you have you have personal use and then you have cottage industry laws which is
designed to be like out of your domicile in most cases and then you have commercial scale activities and I think
you can have regulations that apply on the uh you know the the cottage scale
and the commercial scale and then you just let people do what they want with their things at their homes in their
yards yeah yeah so um cool well I feel like we kind of nailed down the answer
but just to give you the space on it it sounds like we think the answer to some of these concerns uh is to regulate
these products right not schedule them but just to regulate them a little bit and that may make me unpopular with some
of the you know people I know who make things but I I also tell them I don’t
think it’s reasonable that they get to exist in the gray area vacuum forever as
popularity increases like it’s G to happen but hopefully we
can influence it to go in a better route than some would like it
too yeah and I hope it’s you know it’s seen as less of a slapping of the hand
and more of a like helping one out you know just to bring it back to tomatoes like I actually recently heard that
Flint Michigan got their water fixed and I hope that that’s true uh but let’s just say we were living in I know this
is a weird example but hear me out here let’s just say I lived in flip Michigan and I was growing tomatoes with that water probably not a great idea right so
I just see that as the reason I bring that up is because like when we talk about home gardening like you should be
mindful of the soil you use you should be mindful of the water you use nutrients pesticides Etc and so to take
that to making any other product it’s like yeah we should be mindful of what we’re putting into it and making sure
that people don’t have a bad experience so like I said have a punk song in my had I think it’s MDC radioactive
chocolate listen to that one after I will her Hershey Pennsylvania after
Three Mile Island oh wow radioactive chocolate forever and ever that sounds
much deeper than I thought it was gonna be I like damn sounds like a fun song no that doesn’t sounds kind of crazy um but
yeah I hope you you you get my point here that you know I hope that people because look here I am talking about the
Tomato model and how I believe that the these things can exist without with with little regulation but on the other hand
now we’re talking about regulation I only am saying that for like yeah you
know commercial levels and you know these Big Industry operators that have these packaging and like you say it’s
being marketed like it’s just a normal cpg product but unlike a normal cpg product it’s not overseen by most of the
processes we you know just assume when you see a cpg product did that make sense feel like point we’re all trying
to make here so yep and it’s so easy to make it look fully official and get high
quality packaging and you know I would argue that a lot of the vendors who purchase these things for sale probably
also don’t understand that it’s not coming through like normal Market
channels yeah yeah and when you know I know this might seem silly but when
somebody puts legal and bold letters on the packaging for some reason it’s just like a sign yeah but for I guess what I
was trying to say I agree with what you were saying but what I was trying to say for some people they’re like they see the word legal and they’re just like
concerns are out of mind you know what I mean and it’s like legal doesn’t always
mean healthy but that’s that’s a conversation for another day so all right well um Regina I just
want to thank you again for your time today I know you’re a really busy person and um before we go did you wanted to
give you the space was there anything that you know we hadn’t touched on today that you feel we need to just wanted to
give you some space before we close um I mean I I mentioned that Facebook group if people have an
interest in amonita it’s a great one to check out I’m not around in there too much even though I I help from time to
time um there’s like 880,000 people um I think it’s really good when you’re learn
trying to learn more about things like this to to like cast a wide cast a wide net and try to collect a lot of
different information um and not rely on just one or two people especially when
it comes to um areas that like don’t have a lot of well uh formed research
and whatnot um and then uh this our group has like a lot of the Science
Focus in it but then they also uh very much accept that there’s like the kind of spiritual element we’ve got you know
people with uh their magic side of things which is not mine so I don’t get in those conversations but um it can be
it can be really uh hard to find high quality information um without the science there so um trying to to hear a
lot of user reports learn how to process things yourself like put a little effort in um if you want to engage with uh with
some of these things and and make sure you know what you’re doing yeah well I hope that we’re able
to connect again sometime in person but if not I’m sure I’ll see you at another incubator um so so on that note folks I
hope you found as much value in this conversation as I did and I guess I should ask Regina and if you don’t it’s
totally okay no no problem um but you did mention you you like give presentations if people were wanting to
like hire you would they just connect with you on LinkedIn or if you don’t want to plug that that’s fine I’m just I
thought I’d ask okay let’s see um I don’t know like I I’m all over the Internet doing different things um so I
have uh given some talks on this topic to pharmacists I’m going to be down in New Mexico in the fall presenting um to
pharmacists on amonita and psilocybin um trying to to get that segment since it’s
you my my people there um informed and aware of things that they need to know about that their patients and customers
are engaging with and they might be getting questions about um uh I have a
website um Regin more. me drream more. me Google me Cole Dr we’ll put it in the
show I go on there so so little but I have a website it’s got some contact information there um and uh I’m also on
um Twitter at Frugal Farm f r u g- l p h RM I’m not sure you want to hear all of
my inner thoughts but if you’re interested I’m also there um and yeah I’m I’m open to other discussions um
interested in a lot of uh a lot of topics were U mushrooms and psychedelics meet up um two different interests that
collided very much in the last five years or so yeah well perfect I’m glad
you were able to get that in I I should have asked earlier but again folks that’ll all be in the show notes if you
want to go to regam more. me if you’d rather just click on it that’ll be in the show notes um Regina thank you again
folks thank you Cole we’ll see you on the next episode of the Cole memo take care all right bye bye