In this episode, I discuss hemp, HLVd (a disease some studies estimate affects 90% of weed in California), our definitions of Social Equity, and more with Michael Malcolm.
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Links mentioned during show
- Go to Mike’s website WeedTravelFood.com
- Follow Mike on Instagram here
- Article that we mentioned about HLVd here
- Article that we mentioned that we are both featured in here
- Video about large scale licenses that we watched here
- #206 – Jared FromHomeGrownOregonicX (the person that suffers from cannabis hyperemesis syndrome that we mentioned) – Watch the interview on Youtube here. Listen to interview on Spotify here. Listen to interview on Soundcloud here
- Episode 3 of Cole Memo Podcast with Michael Malcolm(and many others) here
- Episode 4 of Chillinois Podcast with Michael Malcolm here
- Episode 91 of Chillinois Podcast with Michael Malcolm here
- Episode 175 of Chillinois Podcast with Michael Malcolm here
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well Mike welcome back to the Cole memo it’s a pleasure to speak with you today cheers cheers and folks if you’re listening to the Cole memo right now I just wanted to let you know that I’m your host Cole Preston and again if you’re listening every episode is released in audio but also video and transcript format so if you’d like to find the transcript audio or video version of any episode just look in the description of the episode that you’re listening to now and within that description you’ll see a link that will take you to our website which will display the transcript for this episode and all of the platforms where you can find this episode in audio or video formats uh we’re on YouTube and and now Spotify has us on video so if you’re unable to locate the episode description on whichever platform you’re listening from Simply take note of the episode number and visit the memo.com from there you can use our search functionality to find the corresponding episode and then you’ll be 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buck you know whatever you can uh afford or if you’d like to get our episodes as they release you can go to the memo.com SL patreon and it only costs $3 a month and I release multiple episodes a month so it’s I think pretty good bang for your buck uh and like I say it’s another great way to support our show but one of the best ways to support our show is free just subscribe to or follow the show leave a positive review from wherever you’re listening from favorite the episode or share it with your friends uh that helps more than you may know uh today is April 25th 2024 I’m sitting back down with Mike Malcolm it’s about 10 minutes till 420 over here um let’s go Mike it’s always 420 over here you know hell yeah hell yeah that’s true that’s true I got to find this meme that somebody sent me um but while I look for it why don’t you remind folks who you are and where we can find you online yes sir I appreciate that yeah so I’m Mike Malcolm I am originally from Chicago but now I’m in La I am a partner in Crona and where we have product cannabis products licensed products and ancillary products in multiple States and um what else do I want to say um and I’m like I said man I’m I’m always just refering Chicago Chicago native you know but I I got a lot of touches in multiple uh cannabis markets across the country hell yeah and uh weed TR food.com right weed trood of course weed TR food.com yeah I really need to get back on my weed travel food [ __ ] really too man I just you know weed travel food bro is a lifestyle you know and that’s why it’s so hard for me to rep it rep about to say it’s not that you’re not on it you just got back from being out of the country you’re just not Shar the moments I did yeah that’s all it is yeah I’m just trying to be modest man you know and it’s the CR I’m pushing this crra movement man we trouble food is the lifestyle though you know that’s the real Lifestyle brand crra is definitely a Lifestyle brand but we said you know cannabis products like I said we sell the rolling trays we got so much dope merch shout out to my all my partners and all the designers if anybody love any of our merch if you seen anything that we’ve done whether it’s the the trays or the myard bag designs or the uh or the um New tote bags that we just released which are so dope Cole I’m gonna send you a tote bag let’s get make sure I get that on record so that now now I gotta do I just said it on your show send yeah I’m gonna say you no I’m on record now so now I got now people gonna be asking you like did you ever get that cron to nah you need the cron tote that’s super dope it’s one of the things I’m actually one of one of the things I’m most like proud of of our design team and just something that we executed because I love that tote bag that much and it’s just a tote bag but it’s beautiful and it’s well made and to be a tote bag it looks like something that somebody put a lot of effort and time into and that’s what we put that’s what we do in everything that we do so whether it’s the Cannabis products or it’s something like a tote bag you know we put a lot of effort and thought into it and so um yeah I’m just proud of that I’m proud of everything that we doing um so salute to my whole team hell yeah and just a quick Gotta Give a quick plug not only to you but also a local Creator let’s watch this real quick it’s funny bro what are you doing I’m just trying to fit this tray in my pocket [Music] bro bro what I love that man yo shout out to the homie jungle K shout out to my homie well and Co you don’t know this but um I mean I guess you Proby figured out yeah jungle K as my homie so that’s actually an initiative that I’m like working with with him on directly and obviously I brought him in I’m like hey we need some people to do like some Social Media stuff from us I need somebody creative I had some ideas and I talked to my team about it so they let me run with it and so yeah Kay is gonna be working with us on he’s always been like one of the homies but I actually you know I’m gonna be working with him more and some things so yeah he just did that video for us I love that video too so happy that you played it here’s the meme that I was thinking about earlier by the way when somebody asked me the other day you celebrating 420 and this is what I replied with can you see this mic yep I can so um exactly yeah for our listeners or yeah for the people that are listening it’s basically just showing a a person that obviously celebrates 420 every day versus a person may not you and not to be on my high horse or anything like that but you know that is a privilege though you know what I’m saying and much as I would love to talk [ __ ] and be like oh yeah I get to smoke weed every day and it’s the best weed in the world and all these are true all these things are true but at the same time you know I do want to just say I recognize that I’m very privileged to be able to do so and there’s many people you know it’s one of the reasons I never talk down on people who don’t smoke really good weed because most people are smoking what they have access to right you know what I’m saying and just like I just so happen to have access to it ton of weed and unlimited amount of weed so I get to smoke it so I’m very fortunate and blessed and privileged and all that and U and I wish this for anybody and that’s why one of the things if any of my home booy would tell you when I come back to Chicago or even my homies come out here my the best part of my job or the second best part of my job maybe the third best part of my job what one of the best things about my job put it that way is for me to actually give away weed man when I get to like give someone some of the products some crja that some weed that I selected out of all the weed that I have access to some weed that I bought and now one thing about crer we don’t have a cultivation license we have a drro license I’m actually at my drro right now in the parking lot smoking something right now that I’m trying to decide do I want to buy it for KRA or not you know and this so I’m literally doing my job right now as we’re having this conversation um but for me to go through all look through all the bud that I have access to in the state of California and say no I want this I want that no I don’t want that no I don’t care if you’ll give me amazing terms like I don’t even have to pay for it upfront because some Farms will tell us you don’t even have to pay for it right now no just take it and pay us back in 30 days 60 days you know know what I’m saying I say no I would rather pay for good weed than to get fronted bad weed to sell to our customers because then they won’t want to come back you might get them at a super low price in the beginning but how you going to get that consumer loyalty and so I’m very very particular about the butt that we put in our bags and then I get very excited just to give it away for to free because I want to see my homeboy reaction and I literally told my homeboy last time when I was in Chicago because I made a special effort to go drop him or something that I brought with me and he’s like man uh he’s like no you know it was no big deal you know like you could have and I was like bro as hard as I work and as hard as much as it took for me to get here if I can’t give free weed away to my homeboy what am I doing what am I doing this for you know what I’m saying like what the point you know what I’m saying if I can’t give one of my homeboys some free weed bro like that’s it’s such a cool thing to be able to do you know like when you give it not only is there immediate happiness but you get that text later like bro I just rolled it up and like it just didn’t know that you’re like affecting them in their life but you’re you’re just getting a text message I don’t know it’s cool you get it no super cool of course bro yeah like that that you right you described it perfectly yeah it’s the immediate thank you you know but then it’s that next text the next day or yeah one of my homeboys ail I gave him something when he came out here and then he text me like weeks later he like man I finally got to that thing that you a gave me and saying it was fire you know I’m saying I’m like yeah hell yeah like I love that you know and and even more so being out here in California and having product we have product now and over 200 dispensaries across the state of California and uh to hear from the staff you know I go because I do a lot of our I’m the head of marketing so one of the things that I do is I go to our stores and I check to see what we have what we have on the shelves um have does staff have samples what type of promos do we have going what’s the pricing right now what’s the inventory how we how we doing with sales do you guys need anything to help me you know help you guys push product um to hear from the staff feedback oh man I love this and I love that and that was so good and I’m like hell yeah or oh the product is moving no we don’t need any promos like so a lot of my stores are like no you we don’t need any promos because your product is fire they literally told me this on 420 because I hit a lot of my stores like hey what do you guys doing what do we need to do for 420 to like some of my stores were like you don’t need to do anything your product is moving and people are buying it so let’s just let them do what they’re doing I’m like okay you know I’m let y’all rock it I’m not going to tell Y how to do y’all run y stores but cool you know um so I just love stuff like that man just to to hear the the great feedback and I just always uh you know I want to keep those standards high and everything that we do yeah but like I said shout out to my team for uh doing everything that they do because they really make they make everything else easy you know yeah and I wanted to just say like if if I could put something in a bottle for me and please correct me if I’m wrong on this but just for illinoisans that may not understand maybe what you just said not it was not what you just said but what you started with and what you’re doing right now you’re at a distribution center and and I bring that up and I wanted to say those words clearly because there’s actually been a proposal and just talk in the past about creating that Concept in Illinois and I don’t and as a result I don’t think people are familiar with what you’re doing right now and I just kind of wanted to dwell on that for a moment like it’s super cool that yeah you you literally go to as you you called them dros but distribution centers right that’s the yep and and you get access to a bunch of cannabis I’ve seen videos that you’ve posted and everything else and you’re able to pick through smell visuals everything else and sampling like you’re doing right now and I just think that’s crazy and then you buy it on site and you go and package it and and then disperse it to dispensaries right is that that pretty 100% yeah so um real simply uh my partners and I have a distribution license in Downtown LA we have a distribution a manufacturing and a delivery license in Downtown LA and so it’s basically a warehouse um surrounded heavy see so I got security like and stuff behind me right now um heavily secured um but um yeah we have um the ability to go to farms and other Distributors other Dro licenses uh dros I should say um uh we go to Farms usually directly um drro is basically just a middleman you know so I go to the middleman when we have access to the Farms so we go to Farms all across the state of California and we look to see what they’re growing and we look to see what they have for sale and um you know we all we also have the ability to resell to other people who have distribution licenses and out here retail uh dispensaries some of them also have manufacturing licenses as well so we can sell bulk product to a retailer because that retailer can then buy that bulk product and make let’s say pre-rolls or a they can do that in house as well right so um yeah out here the a lot of licenses are like a lot of a lot of people have multiple licenses in the same type of like class so again like a retailer out here might have a retail license a manufacturing license and a delivery licenses some retailers out here also have cultivation licenses so at the retail and the back there’s a grow and they’re manufacturing their products and they have delivery wow it’s all out of one building it’s like a freaking weed uh complex Canabis complex yep so with our licenses we’re able to buy directly from farms uh and sell directly to cannabis retailers and other dros and other farms uh yeah and then and we also have the ability to manufacture so like we can take those raw pounds that we get from farms and we can put them in our own crer bags and then we can sell those into retailers so yeah we sell we to the dispensaries yeah yeah and then that’s and that’s how we sold crer into over 200 stores across the state of California in about in less than two years that’s crazy well dudee um I wanted to get right into one of the things I wrote wrote down because it was the I had first heard it about you and I honestly haven’t Googled it much since then but H hlv remember you’re saying covid for cannabis or something like that oh hop Lon vroid yeah yeah yeah can you because I I had never heard about it can you just tell us what you’ve heard about it and how you became aware of it and just stuff like that so that people can do like I did take it from there and research it yeah for sure so in 2020 I was hired by uh a culture a plant genetic company called Front Range biosciences they have licenses in Colorado and in California and they have a um Nursery in Selena California and they reached out to me in 2020 during the during the the co and they were like hey can you come out here and help us with some Social Media stuff and you know we want to talk to you about like what we’re doing and kind of just show you like what we have going on and so yeah they paid me to come out to California and like that’s when I learned about from from Bri at um Front Range biosciences she’s no longer there but shout out to Bri uh she taught me everything about like tissue culture lab culture like everything from plant DNA and how they can like determine whether or not plants have different diseases at that time I I mean I knew plant got diseases but I didn’t know to what extent and she really explained it to me that hot L hop Laten vroid disease was a plant a cannabis specific disease at the time they were calling it plant Co again so this was December this was in December of 2020 uh when I was out out here uh learning learning about it and she was like yeah it’s basically like plant Co like it’s highly contagious and um I’m sorry she was like it’s weed it’s like weed Co that’s what she was calling it like it’s like weed Co like right is like super contagious and it spread from um pollen and spread from uh the cutting tools and things like that being used on the plant like things like that it can affect the plant you know as it’s grown and uh the problem is is that most people don’t realize that there’s something wrong until the very end of the growth cycle and so what I believe is happening right now is that there’s probably been a lot of people smoking hopl and viroid weed and they don’t know it yeah and I think that’s what me you and I were talking about you know right a while ago yeah and I’m just about to display something I found off a quick Google that I’ll have a link for in the podcast description I don’t this seems like it has like information about it hop latent vroid um one of the things that I found interesting it says unlike viruses viroids do not have a protective layer such as a protein coat I don’t know what that means but it sounds like it’s not exactly like a vir it’s different than a virus you know it’s just interesting like uh it’s a problem bro it’s a real problem and a lot of Growers don’t know well to your point not to cut you off but to your point to what you just said one study estimates as much as 90% of California Cannabis is infected with hlvd yeah costing nearly four billion dollar in Lost yields yeah wow it’s a real problem and it’s not just in California that [ __ ] is not just in to your point here another study conducted by Dr zamir punja of Simon Fraser University found that 40% of cannabis flowers sold in Canadian dispensaries tested positive for hlvd so to your point not just a Californian thing um yeah yeah weed is some certain weed is getting people sick bro you know weed is getting and it’s hard it’s hard to it’s hard for people to tell a lot of times right well and I had this guy on in the past and you know um what’s her name Alice I can’t think of her she’s uh she’s got um cannabis hyperemesis syndrome where she can’t oh Alice Moon of course yeah yeah so Alice hooked me up with this guy that also has that condition and we just like we couldn’t put or he rather I don’t mean to say we like I was at the science table with them or something but he couldn’t put his finger on what it was and I said we because you know we were having it back and forth and I’m like you know throwing out different things but he’s like bro I grow my own I don’t use this I don’t use that you know because like specifically I had heard I was looking around because I’ve got a bottle somewhere here I had heard that like neem oil could cause it I have a bottle of neem oil because I grow my own and I was told that it’s like an organic solution and if you get like something is you know simple problem like fungus snats or something you spray a little neem oil on it’s organic it doesn’t hurt your plants but it hurts the bugs I’ve heard people suggest that maybe neem oil does this and he was like no I’m not using neem oil and so you know he’s like I grow my own I don’t know what’s causing this and I just when you were saying this again I I might just be the stoned guy with the with the board connecting two dots here but it it was like man is this the missing element like is this what’s what’s making people sick sometimes when they have like bad reaction I 100% think so I have a a friend out here my H girl Liz um who is going through the same thing like cannabis is making her sick for some reason and she’s a long time she’s in Industry I don’t know about you but this guy that and I take it that Alice had it the same way this guy described that he would throw up in so much and get so dehydrated that literally his hands would curl like this and they’d have to take him to the hospital cuz he couldn’t like keep down food and um was it that bad like well no I think she it’s been a couple of months since her and I talk uh talked about it but I think she was telling me like hers was more like um psychological like it was like extreme extreme anxiety you know extreme anxiety like everything freaked her out it wasn’t just theas it was indas Tas was gummies it was weed like every time she smoked she had an extremely bad trip and she was like man she love weed you know and it never gave her that and but she just she’s given it up the last couple of months because she like she just can’t she just can’t do it right now and she just and she doesn’t understand why now one thing about her and I’m thinking of this as I’m saying it to you right now is that her boyfriend worked in the industry as a buyer and so I do know she always had access to a lot of different product all different type of products from all over California right and who knows what you you know you don’t know you know people oh I’m G smoke this I’m smoke that man bro when I go to Hall of flowers out here it’s all these Growers out here that giving away all this products bro I do not smoke 90% of the stuff that I that I get I just give it away I give away stuff when my my friends come in town I got a big box full of other people’s products if it’s not something that really excites me you know what I mean as soon as I like smell it then and it’s just like oh okay thanks for the weed type of thing nope I’ll just give it away I just don’t care and it’s not because I’m consciously like trying to but I like I because because I’m always have I always have new weed that I got to try and smoke then I just don’t have like I don’t even need to smoke all this other stuff and I just don’t trust where stuff is coming from you don’t know where these people are getting their product and I have been to a lot of grows out here now uh I’ve been out here over two years now and I’ve seen I’ve been to probably at least a 100 GRS out here and I’ve been to a lot of dros out here and I just don’t trust weed I’m been particular always anyway I just don’t trust what people put in a lot of their packaging because people are like you know they’ll do anything to make a dollar yeah just like I don’t know if you see all the sprayed weed you I don’t know you don’t like that Glitter weed Mike what oh my God you don’t like that flashy it shines and it might give you misoa don’t you want misoa I’m that’s a bad joke it’s not a bad joke it’s a true story like yeah like why why playing with their lives and so that’s what I’m saying like I’ll try to find a video of that for people that are wondering what the hell we’re talking about sorry you’re saying why are people playing with their lives yeah why people playing with their lives willing to like smoke sprayed weed and like that’s the thing out here now like last year it was all about the powdered weed you know the t freaking white uh the TCA powdered weed that was last year was it the white stuff though that kind of looked like it was like powdered Donuts weed or something [ __ ] you know what I’m talking about yeah yeah that shit’s weird died on me that’s exactly what I’m talking about that’s exactly what I’m talking about damn this picture that I found uh this picture that I had found I hate no nobody you know because but I just don’t think you need that no I mean when people see this I think they’ll know what the hell we’re talking about I I found a picture uh but for some reason it looks like it’s deleted so I’m going to see if it’s on YouTube YouTube I have something to show you on YouTube though to your point of like [ __ ] I wouldn’t smoke but but just more on this hlv thing like um are there any signs of it like what you know what I mean like yes now a grower could tell you way better than I could um but I do know that towards the end towards like the end of the growth cycle is when you can really start telling the difference um because the plant won’t be it won’t develop it won’t develop like it’s supposed to develop and so it’ll kind of be like you know like I said it’s hard for me I don’t know the lingo I don’t want to be disrespectful to any of the Growers they could probably they but you know what I’m saying it’s kind of like it’s not it won’t be developed the way it should be developed at that point you know and if you know your plants when you see it and you’re like oh this is weak whatever you’re like really why it look like a week you know what I’m saying or like the Tricom still not kind of like there and you know it don’t have no smell to it now for me that’s how I know I kind of like no so can spot it when it’s already in the bag because most of the time when PE by the time I see it that’s how I see it I see it already in the bag and it’s dry nugs just don’t look right or the nugs can some can sometimes like I said it’ll like the plant the nug will still be relatively large but it won’t be full um now that can always dep difference from strain to strain but even more than that it’s all about the nose because I’m all about the nose and the turps anyway if it doesn’t smell good then I don’t want to buy it right and so for me um it always my my partners is laugh they laugh what I said but I sometimes bags come in here and I’m like man n that [ __ ] got that it got that [ __ ] I’m like yo yo that bag that bag hot bro that I’m not [ __ ] with that bag over there that bag got that got that thing you know got that little disease thing I can smell it you know what I’m saying I can I tell him I can smell it I can smell it I can smell the H HPV what was that [ __ ] hlv hlv yeah he CH me no but I mean it I can smell it I swear to God I can smell it I be like no it’s that’s got it I’m getting upset right now because I can’t find this glitter [ __ ] weed right now but I’ve seen videos of this [ __ ] it literally looks like what this one video I saw it was like the weed was like blue bro like as blue as this background and it was like shining like glitter like a strip club glitter that’s not even I’ve seen that but that’s not even exactly what I’m talking about what I’m talking about is there’s like now out here in a lot of stores and on the in the streets is weed that they spray they use this machine and they like bake the artificial turps into the flower at low temps and so the weed to be like candy apple like actually smell like candy apple bro like it actually smell like bubblegum it’ll actually you know and the turps will be like that all the way through it because they bake it in it now and instead of just like spraying it on right I think I found one of the things you were talking about earlier he said it was from like last year or something the thda powder is this yeah yeah and and no dis there’s no disrespect I always got to remind myself that I’m in a industry for of people that making money there’s no disrespect to people that’s doing that especially uh I mean because at the end of the day you know people have to put these products I’m a product guy and I think people have to create these products put these products on the market so that um you know we can see what’s what but at the same time as a customer and and as a product guy I think that um what I want to say I just think we got to be careful about what we put out there yeah uh at the same time but I don’t think there’s anything wrong again the great thing about weed is that it’s very hard to overdo it right so TCA thca powdered Lowe’s is probably not that big of a deal you know what I’m saying but I would be more concerned about inhaling dust if I was to Consumer you know what I mean like that’s I just hate that type of [ __ ] like I hate moon rocks and stuff yeah powder like you can’t put it through a [ __ ] grinder you can’t really roll it up like I don’t know I just like I I tried it once when everybody when everybody’s freaking out about moon rocks you know and I was like it was cool the first time but it pain in the ass you know yeah yeah yeah I mean all that’s old school that’s why I said I mean I don’t want to be like oh people doing it like the streets kind of like dictate what what going anyway and so like and I also recognize the marketing in it because people have been selling weed since the beginning the time so to dust a bu with some taaca powder again a couple of years ago people see that like man what is that you know me I look at that like like look like hard drugs bro I don’t want like don’t sprinkling no little no coke coke on no weed bro I’m straight this is another thing you kind of talked about just spraying stuff on the weed in general I want to show you this because you talked about this kind of in California and I I saw it the other day in Southern Illinois I had to walk back into a gas station to come see it to take this video for you let me I just want to see what you think about this [Music] so I’m pausing it it’s like Delta 10 Delta 8 uh [ __ ] uh pre-rolls the Delta 9 gummies like that to me and I actually recognize this retailer this retailer makes they’re actually partnered with GTI right now uh to produce gti’s Edibles so like I at least recognize that brand but these other brands I have no idea what they are and when you say when you say it’s a joint with Delta 10 in it I don’t even know what that is they got they got honey packs in their Co what’s that oh is it something up here no never mind you don’t know the honey packs no honey pack man it’s like it’s like SE Allis for men like they sell it they sell it in like all the gas stations and stuff I was just trying to be funny man go ahead man no it’s it’s all good it’s all all good that I don’t need to know about that just yet your audience your audience are your audience is gonna laugh at that hopefully but yeah you know see this Delta tin stuff and everything like I just here’s what I’ll say this is where like I agree with people that are against hemp where I’m like this doesn’t this seems a little crazy um but what I what I like about hemp is the idea that you could like I didn’t even realize this until before I got on the show I was given this have you heard of tales and travel damn it it blocked out tales and travels by Revolution I have heard of that this one that I’m smoking on right now is a 0.25 THC so 025 THC I don’t understand what that means2 what 0.25% THC is what it says on the label which is under the three and so hypothetically a lot of people will jump on me so like allow me to explain hypothetically you could have this on a shelf in a gas station and say this is thca flower can you show can you show me that yeah I’ll try to I might need to I might need to undo my background hold on oh no no you can just hold it like that um oh no no no yeah it’s it’s okay I I I’ll take pict yeah you’ll take a picture and send it to me I’m just um trying to understand why they are selling low THC that’s an interesting product type again product huh so they’re selling lows that’s what that sound like yeah I’ve got this other one uh that’s uh this one by midweek which I think is a new newera brand some some I got some gifts uh this one’s a 392 so technically it’s 0.09 over the limit of being considered hemp and what and where they’re selling these in the dispensaries yeah these are dispensary products yeah and and look interesting they’re still like I’m smoking it I’m getting high um it is interesting because it’s got a point it’s got a 23.25% THC um I’m about to display it on my screen I’m just emailing this to myself uh that well 22 yeah that’ll that’ll get you bust yeah 20 23 so it’ll probably yeah convert to like a 20 or something when I like set it on fire you know oh so one minute and what was the other one then the other one is a the other one is a 39% THC 392 I’m about to display my screen I think we’re both high right now sounds crazy though yeah the say do no math right now yeah but hear hear me out Mike the point I’m trying to make is i’ I’m trying to give uh room to both sides of this and I’ve actually got a little clip uh queued up because you know me I try to be like Fair on all these subjects and I think there’s Merit um to both sides to an extent here’s the thing that I hate about the Cannabis side as I display this label for you is that it doesn’t like and if you need me to zoom in I can there we go oh this is great perfect oh yes thank you so okay so like my point is it’s interesting that like by these numbers technically this could qualify under the law is hemp now the thing that people jump down my throat about is they say Cole no it can’t because it’s in the biotrack system and so if you took it out and sold it as hemp that would be diversion okay yeah you got me there I’m trying to say that this weed that they grew is is hemp and I got this other one in front of me yeah well you know I still think that that it’s also more about a label thing you know what I mean because yeah all weed would technically be that way but right all weed would be that way because you set it on or right because when you set it on fire is when it makes the conversion or whatever ever but like in California we just don’t display it that way right that’s actually a great Point uh Michigan does that as well they don’t display T they don’t display this other number what you guys do is convert it which is actually what I believe is happening right here you guys would only display this number 24.45mm canono count you’re correct yeah because the what the math is like8 yeah exactly yeah point8 any yeah so that’s why another reason why I kind of like I don’t know why Illinois I noticed that years ago you know when I first started buying product in Illinois I was like why are they showing this number instead of the other number um and I don’t know why they done that but maybe they are causing some confusion on their own account where Maybe that’s just a way to clean it up like man stop showing that TAA number you because that really doesn’t matter show the other number but I guess my point is I’m trying to give credit to the side of the Cannabis operators that say I showed that like video of the the sketchy joints and stuff and we’re talking about this glittery weed and [ __ ] like these are bad things you know what I mean like clear I don’t want to condemn them I mean well the glitter weed yeah that’s super trash the the the THC powder weed I think again I don’t like want to condemn it because at the end of the day there’s it’s just yeah let’s say the jury’s out on it how about that it’s like it seems weird it seems a little weird it is a weird product but like I said for me my biggest concern like the only thing I would caution people about is inhaling powdered yeah weed you know what I mean because when you inhale it like just imagine you roll up a big fat ass blun of it right and you inhale it right when you light something was it about to go down no I’m like who they talking to me no that’s they’re talking to somebody outside of you my security don’t play oh they see somebody blocking our driveway and so they yelling at them through the yeah through the through speakers to move scar me let’s hope let’s hope that a freaking shootout shootout doesn’t break out right now hey please but but just to kind of complete my point like I say let’s just say the jury’s out on some of these other products like let’s say that they uh could be because I’m not one to say any drugs should be illegal at all I’m just saying that that seems a little weird and I don’t know that I personally would consume it but if I could just like quickly this this product that I’m showing and I just bought Jane and Mary’s ice cream the other day which has 75 milligrams of THC in it you could you take a picture of that other product too that you were absolutely I want see I just want to see what that one looks like yeah and then I’ve got like another one in front of me because I got a few different gifts this one’s a 0. 53 so it would not be hemp it’s it’s over the limit by like 02 three um and when I say would not be hemp I I’m talking about the legal definition of hemp for people that are listening which is 3% yeah which again and who makes up these numbers some ner that don’t smoke weed bro like what like it’s all Bs well and what I actually finally figured out Mike while I pull up this image uh is that hemp from what I understand was not really formally like back in the day when we talked about hemp and if you look up the Old World War II footage of hemp for victory it was generally called hemp because it had this like stocky fibrous look to it it it was still the same you know genus and species cannabis but it typically wasn’t used for its yields let’s just say right right and because of fiber it was Heavy in fiber right so in 2014 they created the industrial hemp act which was really focused on that fiber side and then in 200 and then that that’s when they created the formal legal definition of hemp so I don’t know if you remember but in that in that debate that we had on episode two of the Cole memo one of the people brought up he said he was saying the word marijuana and somebody rightfully I think it might have even been you corrected him and said I you said I don’t call it marijuana and he was saying I don’t either but I’m saying that the legal term is hemp and the other legal term for above point three is marijuana and it’s because we made like you said some [ __ ] nerds got into a room and basically wrote basically said this and so scientists look at this and go that’s not the way that it is let me display this table here though um to your point though one of the points you’ve brought up and it’s kind of back to what I was just saying with the World War II stuff there is this idea oh okay I see it now okay like now it’s making sense to me because when you when you just said by the way when you just said it was 39 THC and I was like this s was like 39 I’m like wait a minut why are they selling that but it’s because of the thca which is 177% okay so 17% so I got you so sorry about that it was just that was messing with my head no it’s all good it’s all good um but one of like what are they doing I like people are buying that in Illinois what are you talking about what 39 I understand it okay yeah okay I was tripping I’m like what the hell was okay like what that’s what I saying I was like what like show me that no but I mean you know that’s you know that’s how it is and that’s okay um to one of your goad this one thing as I look at this um packaging or I should say the label the one thing I do like is that they do have tpes on the uh label uh I would I appreciate that yeah yeah you don’t often see that especially in Illinois um but uh yeah one of the other points you’ve made to me in the past which I wanted to like bring up and acknowledge on air which is that uh there are and I’m going to struggle for the words here but just back to the point and this is to build on a point you had just made and I feel like we just established which is that there are these arbitrary terms hemp and marijuana and Inda sativa things like that and it makes botanists people that are actually like scientists it makes cringe because as you probably know what I’m about to say it’s this idea and I and I’m gonna butcher like if you Pop Quiz me any further than what I’m about to say I probably fail but it’s this idea of cultivar and variety and the way that I can explain it is actually if you talk to like a corn farmer sometimes if you actually are driving through basically where I live in Southern Illinois these corn Farms if you look at the signs next to the corn it’ll say what varietal it is yeah what some people don’t realize and I think you’re going to see the point that I’m making that connected to a point you’ve made uh to me in the past is corn is corn right but if you come down here in Southern Illinois and think you’re just going to pick up a bunch of corn and boil it you’re going to be [ __ ] wrong because a lot of this corn down here is used for cattle feed AKA industrial purposes but you also have sweet corn right which you could theoretically take and boy you know and so back to your point there are these strains that are that’s what we call them in cannabis that’s the non-scientific term right right there are I like cultivar I love cultivar yeah it’s a cool word I’ll just say that I know of somebody in Illinois that I think they’ve told me they own a cul ofar that always tests out super high thca levels super low THC levels in other words they can always sell it as hemp um I won’t name the individual but you probably I’ll tell that person they can never own nature but it’s close not okay correct correct I guess they possess the strain and make clones off of it you know what I mean I’ll just talk a [ __ ] bro but uh I I was just trying to make a point you’ve made which is that when we’ve had this conversation in the past you’ve pointed out that it’s like Cole a lot of these people are actually selling like a what you’ve called like a lower tier cannabis as thca flower and I fully acknowledge that um I love the people though that are like selling homow and they’re just slapping a thca flower on it like I love that that’s what this has brought to light you know what I mean yeah I think yeah we’ve had this conversation so many times you know I think it’s just uh you know when you see things like this happen one thing I like that that video you showed in the gas station with all that stuff on the Shelf like you said you you start realizing who’s making money and all these like shell companies out here and all these like different you know oh this is my thca company and my there my hemp company over here and I got a marijuana I got a cannabis company over there and I got you know it’s like uh again the only people that really benefit from this are a lot of the super rich people like their kids those are the ones that you see playing in the space the super rich like the alcohol company or like the corporate government people who can’t deal in the space like their kids and their relatives are doing this other stuff you know and they’re like oh they’re all the Cannabis people and that’s how those are the people that are really benefiting from this from a lot of this stuff you know it’s a lot of it’s a lot of the same same [ __ ] and I’m saying that you know just what I see both in California and in Illinois you know uh rich people kids taking advantage of loopholes that the government somehow created you know and then they just leave people fighting like ignorant battles you know the the people fighting against among among themselves yeah I guess one thing I want to put in a bottle is like one thing I and this is what I was I think we started to talk about this earlier and then we got into other things uh it’s like at least the Cannabis like operators it feels I don’t mean to paint with a broad brush but at least in Illinois they’ve made the conversation very much about like Public Safety and everything else which is like I I think there’s like some credibility to that like the way that Delta 8 for example is synthesized I’ve heard um there can be like Trace elements of like some serious solvents that can really hurt you you know what I mean so like I don’t think that that should like I think we should figure those things out um but like I don’t like I don’t think we’re going to figure them out if we just like ban them outright you know what I mean like if because because I I know I’ve made this point and I think I remember it may have been on that last episode with you I’ve bought Delta 8 from the dis dispensary before not that I would ever do it again not that I like the product anything it just proves the point that obviously it can be sold quote unquote safely and it’s like if there’s a market for that like I just don’t understand why it seemed like it was when you really peel back the layer it’s less about Public Safety but really about like no we don’t want to give all these new people licenses well that’s what I was about about to say bro you know you had just put a meme up the other day on Instagram you know it was it’s all about protecting their market share yeah that’s what oh that’s what I just said it’s all these conversations and I I’ve tried so hard not to be a pessimist or like you know sky is falling type of [ __ ] like illum type [ __ ] but so much of this [ __ ] is made up to do nothing like I said they got people fighting these arbitrary issues they got people jumping do through these hoops to to sell weed you know what I’m saying and now you know I look at like the gambling ads in sh in um like sports gambling how now that’s become part of like everyday life now like everywhere you see ads for gambling gambling is way more destructive on society and on communities and on families than we will ever or could ever or will ever be like gambling is like one of the worst things that a a a a a uh Community would have should have to deal with because when you think about like what some of the same things that they talk about with cannabis like addiction right addiction like gambling addicts that the addiction is real and the losses are incredible can I just I just wanted to quickly say like to your point just to and then I want to let you continue there’s literally a like I think this is an exclusively Illinois thing I don’t mean to say exclusively but it’s pretty special to Illinois a lot of visitors have been like wow just down the road from my house there’s a laundry where you can both drink and gamble at a laundry yeah yeah no I mean yeah I’m not saying you shouldn’t be able to do that I’m just saying that it’s pretty [ __ ] crazy that that’s the things that they offer you to wait with you know yeah just outside of Chicago that’s that’s kind of always been the case like you know Cicero like these little neighborhoods right just west they always had like the little machines in them and stuff little restaurants had a little gambling machines in them um but no man like what I see like ESPN encouraging sports betting you know it’s like it’s terrible right and it’s terrible and they get to promote this and put this on people and then again act like smoking weed is something to destroy your life that’s how you know it’s all Bs bro it’s all Bs because if they will allow that and act like they have no problem with that and act like gambling is like oh gambling doesn’t hurt anybody like there are like The House Always and you know I know a lot of people like showing their wins but they never show their losses on social media people only show their wins oh every time they win something they show it but they lose the house is always going to win gambling uh yeah gambling is is a terrible thing but it’s the double standard that you know they allow that for them but not the same thing for us like cannabis is actually medicine it can like I’m not going to say heal you but it can like address certain ailments you know perhaps you know um and so I just yeah that’s I said just as far as like these conversations about all THC levels and you know all and the licenses and all the type of stuff like that like these people they just just full of BS man they don’t actually care about Public Safety or the community because like they do things like in Illinois where they only give licenses to the corporations to so they can Dominate and then sprinkle in the rest they have to to they have to be um servient to the corporate companies I think you and I were you uh on the article recently um um our homeboy uh alandro um interview both of us um and you know I was about like like that was all their playing in the beginning so when pritzer talks about how oh he did all this for us and he’s the first one it was all a game and now you know high side being for 2020 you know you don’t know it’s hard to understand 420 is 420 for sure yeah Southside shout out to the Southside weekly you know but it was all a scheme from the beginning and I say that as somebody that was a hamster on the Wheel you know I’m not like just talking [ __ ] throwing bombs from the outside I was a hamster on the wheel that really hoped I was just re recently looking at one of my um interviews that I had done I think with the Chicago Sun Times where I spoke about how I hoped and I had I had a slight hope that the state of Illinois was going to do the right thing oh that’s when I was interviewed for NPR me ail were on with um uh uh Kim Fox and um what’s um what’s the guy that’s always involved um lesan Ford yeah yeah yep we lesan Ford ail and Kim Fox and I had like a little a fourway round discussion on NPR This is in 2020 and I was talking about how I HED that you know Illinois would do the right thing and you know like I said it would be real easy for me to just poo poo the system you know because I didn’t win but four years in now and seeing the struggles that the social Equity license winners are still having seeing that so many of them still aren’t open yet right and it’s not because people don’t want the product it’s know with the product right and seeing how dominant the existing msos are um seeing how it all played out and who got what licenses it’s not surp it’s not hard for me to say and it wasn’t kind of like I don’t want to even like use the word rig I feel like that’s like overused too much now at this point like it was intentional I want to say that yeah all it was all int in it wasn’t by accident that things happen the way that they happened way yeah go ahead no saying it’s just really just say it’s it’s a shame you know because even if those people had won again obviously I’m still like nobody’s success could take away my success you know what I’m saying that type of person so like as much as it bummed me out that I didn’t win it wasn’t like I was gonna like not do anything with the rest of my life you know what I mean not like have a great life like you said I just came from Costa Rica bro like I’ve been living since since I lost you know what I’m saying me losing was one of the best things that could have ever happened to me I’m so happy I’m so happy now that I personally lost but it’s a damn shame to see my city and my state go through what it P is going through and it’s a damn shame that I couldn’t do what I’m doing out here there because they the proverbial they the the boogeyman they you know what I’m saying uh wouldn’t allow it man because they wanted to have certain people in place you know I’m on my Kanye conspiracies theory [ __ ] you know what I’m saying yeah they didn’t want me to win and and they wanted certain people to be in charge because they want certain people to struggle not because they want them to win either it’s not because they want them to win they give them license certain people licenses so that they can lose those licenses because they know that if they get those licenses they won’t know what to do with those licenses well what already happened yeah yeah bigger companies have purchased these licenses up another one just happened the other day yeah I’m sure there gonna be a lot more yeah yeah it’s gonna be a lot more where that came from most of these people are not going to do and it’d be great if they was G if they was actually getting real money for it too like like this that money not gonna change nobody’s life at this point you know it’s too many there’s too many fees in raw exactly well I know I talk mad [ __ ] and talk about market share and point things out like I do um but I always like to say that I don’t know I’d like to think I would do it differently but I don’t know if I if I were in their shoes that I would do anything differently like I would make all the same arguments I’d say hemp is the you know enemy of social Equity um you know all these different things to make sure that the licenses do remain limited because like it’s not that I don’t understand what they’re doing it’s just that I disagree with it you know and my biggest thing with if I could really quick I think this is like a short one for you like uh I’m I think it’s like no coincidence to your point like it was intentional one thing I think is it’s no coincidence that social Equity is defined as the exact model of a lot of the larger cannabis companies that happen to base themselves in Illinois but just not even about that it’s you know large cannabis companies tend to favor this like idea uh that spawned off of the coal memo this like highly regulated uh limited licensed compliance focused market and like I say I just feel like that’s why we’re Lo they’re it’s like we’re playing a different battle we’re playing game and that’s why we’re not I say we’re as if I’m part of social Equity but I’m like I I have I do have empathy for that group you know what I mean yeah well now you know again I think social Equity is it being a great idea I think it’s been shown to be a loser kind of in general is just because um you know because they pick and choose the winners you know if you want to have social equity and then allow everyone that qualified for social Equity to get a license automatically now maybe that’s the only way I think that it could work but to pick and choose winners to social equity and say things like again when Illinois did it initially it’s like hey have have you uh company need to be 51% owned by veterans like what how is that social Equity like what does that have to do with social equity and now the most recent round is like you ever been shot now you qualify for social Equity like bro and that’s where I think being serious like that’s I’m saying to me that’s pandering it pisses me off because what does that have to do with putting out quality product that is that’s say is that social Equity now like oh if you’ve been shot if you ever been shot then you qualify for social equity in Illinois like I like it’s to me that’s disrespectful it’s again someone has been arrested for weed you know I haven’t done any time but but you know some people were actually like really like doing it years ago and so to like equate it down to have you ever randomly been a victim of gun violence anywhere in the state of anywhere in the country too you don’t even have to be a Illinois resident you just be like shot somebody shot anywhere in the country and you qualify right like wasn’t that one of the most recent qualifications I was like what I’m like I’m reading from out here like w they just they just like stupid like pritzer it’s a shame man you know like you know you gotta no politician is great and I guess seeing everything what’s going on in the political landscape I guess I guess he’s better than some of the others in some areas but when it comes to cannabis you’re GNA get a big F a huge F they get a f minus in Illinois because that gatekeeping to your point a thing that I know since the day one that we’ve ever talked about you know we’ve already always discussed limited licensing and is it a good thing or a bad thing and me you know starting out as an applicant I was like oh it’s a good thing you know because we need to we don’t want everybody to get a license now I feel the opposite I feel like again if you qualify for social Equity then you should get a license you should be able to get a license Equity yeah like people are able to qualify for well now I think the people that don’t that aren’t social Equity pay like a social Equity fee that goes into this like bucket for you know what I’m saying but go ahead sorry I think social Equity people should qualify now I’m spitball in here right so please don’t you know people could take this and write it down and like hopefully some comfort this but what I think now my what is today’s date today is 425 2024 and I’ve got a definition of social equity after you’re done I’ve got it in like six words I think okay you want to give it to me now no I want go ahead I don’t want you to lose your point I got just real fast no what I was just gonna say was that I think that people who qualify for social Equity should automatically get a license yeah right they should get a license and now if you want to be in the Cannabis industry it is up for you to get your business up off the ground and going let’s see you do it that’s what I said about the funding I don’t know if they should just automatically qualify for funding because they qualify for social Equity they should get a license but if you want to do business then do business because that’s the point right you giving licenses to people who can’t raise money and not giving licenses to people who qualify who can raise money I could raise money but they didn’t give me a license they gave licenses to people who can’t raise money so what’s the point who wins right how is that a win is the stupid right and like they give licenses to people who aren’t qualified to run to who can’t build Brands who can’t build community who can’t sell product who don’t who can’t differentiate between good and bad they don’t know what hot lat viroid is right right you know what I’m saying they have no idea if that product comes in that that’s what they’re looking right that’s who they gave licenses to right so you can’t expect then to have a healthy Market when you intentionally my word give licenses to people who may not be able to properly utilize like I said if they can’t raise the money then what was the point right so that’s what I think they should do now with social Equity they want to keep doing social equity everybody who qualifies for social Equity gets whatever license type that they say that they think that they can do you think you say you can grow some weed grow some weed here are the regulations here go the regulations go jump through all these hoops and do everything else just give them the license bro give them the license and let them figure it out that’s how you can only correct things now I think um Alejandro he asked me in my interview see it printed like what I think the best thing that can happen for the grows right now I think the biggest thing is that they got to increase the canopy sizes you know because you can’t raise money I learned this from just talking to people over the last year or so very hard to raise money on the canopis canopy sizes that the social Equity uh grows are allowed and even if they double or triple them they still are going to have a tough time competing with the corporate companies that are over 200 200,000 square feet already you know um um and grow and grow canopy space um and so you know it’s little things like that you know and if they don’t are willing to do like real stuff like that then they are playing in all of our faces and they’re calling us social equity and they’re like oh social Equity JP priser look how many uh license look how many Transportation licenses I gave out thousands over a thousand how isn’t it I think over a thousand Transportation licenses were awarded uh yeah yeah right how many of those people are operating no like I don’t even think five you know what I’m saying stop playing with me bro stop playing with me that’s why man yo I had to get up out of Chicago man that [ __ ] was pissing me off you know and I’m happy for people being happy but they don’t realize that they just W won a bowl of [ __ ] right people suing and stuff over those Transportation LIC transport licenses wasn’t [ __ ] the day that they wrote the applications yeah yeah it wasn’t never worth nothing it was never worth nothing on paper like when they explained it like the [ __ ] you GNA do with that I’ve got this short 30- second clip really quick uh to your point about cultivation size I wonder how this is going to play into effect I feel like people forget this this is from May 4th 2019 hi uh Deputy Governor Christian Mitchell so uh what this contemplates is that there would not be new large-scale cultivation in the first wave that is an effort to make sure that as we roll out a a wave of cult of craft grow licenses that you don’t see a situation where the large guys crowd out the smaller folks there would then be a measure uh after a timed release to look at a demand study and figure out if we in fact need more large scale cultivation if that in fact happens then uh the appropriate Department can make a determination uh and issue New Life I just want oh yeah they would issue I met him before Stephen what’s his what’s his iate Senator Deputy Governor Kristen Mitchell I think okay yeah I think that’s who that was I thought he was a state senator maybe he was when I met him or probably something like that yeah okay um yeah I mean yeah what he know about bro these people they created a monopoly they’ve created opolis in Illinois you know um and everything else to this point it just goes to that when you look at it in that way which is again a way that I did not want to look at it um but again was very evident to me from the time that I applied like I said as soon as they released the applications in 2019 I read the rules and saw that the only way as a if I want to own a store the only way that I was staying business and or that would make sense for me to even apply I didn’t even want to apply for a license was was for me to get a MSO that had an instate operating cultiv C cultivation Center uh to do to to be my partner that was the only way I even wanted to apply for a license I wouldn’t even want to apply on my own and my cousin who won multiple licenses I told her that the second I saw it I was like I don’t even want to apply unless I already have a supply hey that [ __ ] kind of Rong you know what I’m saying I don’t wanna I don’t how am I gonna how am I gonna [ __ ] like have a store depending on my competitor to supply me right but the like do they think that we stupid and they don’t realize that and that’s the thing it’s like they want to be like oh we’re trying to fix the trying to fix are you trying to fix the problem that you created that doesn’t make sense what do you mean you’re going to make it even you’re going to make it fair you built it to be this way right and that’s why I say it’s like it’s like any everything all all this other stuff is done really playing in our face and trying to act like they’re trying to solve a problem that they created in which their cronies the peral they you know again this this just mythical they uh and they’re friends are benefiting from they benefit from all this yeah and while people are divided about and fighting over cannabis licenses and marching and all this other stuff B open up on the river right yeah it’s popping you know gambling is in downtown Chicago now right right I had to go I had the the reason I was in the cover of Chicago sometimes and all that other stuff was because I went to one of the first town hall meetings in Chicago in 2019 when I’ve told them that all the stuff that they were proposing to say that they weren’t going to allow dispensaries to be in downtown Chicago I told them all that stuff didn’t make sense told them all that stuff didn’t make sense and then you know told them um you know why it didn’t make sense you know explained it to them but you know they had people so much in the Uproar then like they had us like usual they took the eye off the ball and people are fighting over licenses that don’t and suing each other now over licenses that don’t mean anything yeah you know where it could have been a much easier way and a much healthier Market if again to your point you had they had allowed everybody in let more people in allow businesses to fail on their own merits yeah people people are running out of money because of stupid hurdles that they got to jump with the state because they had to turn they had to you know all these uh you know all all that it took to get a license in the first place I mean a application done in the first place you know people bankrupting themselves applying for licenses yeah you know well just to pitch you uh my idea quickly of social equity and I think this this might take people by shock I can unpack it but I think my idea of social Equity is obviously first and foremost complete decriminalization because if we’re addressing a cycle we have to end the cycle that’s like my idea right then and then license caps now I know you didn’t expect that let me it real quick I mean ownership no Diddy no Diddy no [Music] no packet man hold on man Jesus uh no so ownership uh ownership limitations and we actually have those in Illinois now unfortunately I would argue that in Illinois they’re not very enforcable because unfortunately all the license ownership information is kind of under locking key like if you Foya even you can’t get that the Chicago Tribune tried to sue the state of Illinois over that I’m not sure where that ever went but I’ve not been able to see exactly you know like ownership ties and everything else but the idea is supposed to be that no single entity can own or you know have ownership in more than 10 dispensaries and three cultivation centers and the reason I make that my definition of social Equity it’s the idea that I’m not saying big guys can’t be in the state but everybody should be able to be the same size as everybody else so it’s still open market still open licenses but you as a person can only have 10 or it doesn’t even have to be the numbers that we have I just think our numbers are a good starter 10 and three sure Fair um that’s fair you know with bigger canopy obviously as you said earlier um but I feel like that’s social Equity right there sure and obviously I’m sitting here and I’m high and maybe that’s the simplistic view but I just really think that it would address the the need because there is an argument of like yeah I don’t want there to be a Walmart or an Amazon that drowns out people and there’s not good small mom and pop businesses especially people that were affected by the War on Drugs I don’t want that so I think that like addresses all that in a way that’s still fair you know the one thing I’ll just say that as as we part is that like I realize that as you said earlier there’s these like shells and corporate you know it’s hard to track some of that [ __ ] and so I realize that might be a flaw in what I’m proposing because just to my point that I brought up Illinois doesn’t publicly give that information out so you can’t really prove that anybody is under or over the limit right now you know what I mean yeah you just hope that they’re just follow the rules how they they monitoring it they’re a bunch of idiots you can already see they they they’re not right well it’s like how how do these social Equity Partnerships work too when you see like direct ties between certain big companies and these dispensaries that open up and it’s like well is that part of their 10 or not yet or like how does that work so again holes in my plan but I I like the idea I felt like that sounded like a nice idea yeah that sounds cool yeah give them some caps you know but yeah like you said I think I think my again my my thinking on this is always evolving yeah you know and right now yeah I definitely feel like give people give them if they qualify give people that have been arrested for weed licenses allow them to do whatever it is that they say that they can do okay you’re a cultivator cool set it up here are still rules and regulations to doing that but let’s say you raise some money let’s say you acquire let’s say you acquire property let’s say you get a lease let’s say you get a uh you know buy buy buy some property and let’s say you build out the thing out to spec and you know submit all your drawings your plans and do everything licensed and ured and bonded and you know I guess even Union I’m all for the unions and stuff like that get some Union guys in there I guess and get get your [ __ ] to put together and then let’s say you grow on fire you say you can sell weed okay get a re let’s see you get a retail let’s see you get a safe you need a safe you need security let’s say you do all the things that you need to do to set up a retail spot and then let’s see you sell some weed let’s see if you can make it because again it doesn’t matter what industry it is the majority of businesses fail right most businesses fail anyway so to create these crazy ass hurdles just for people to be able to try to do their business to me sorry my phone is to uh just to to do that sorry to create these hurdles just for people who are trying to create their business or create a business in the uh in the industry that they think they can contribute to I think that is the most unfair part of it you know what I mean because there’s a lot of people out here who could do great things in the industry If Only They had a chance I saw a interesting meme just the other day that said man the majority of jobs out here in this world can be taught most people can be taught how to do these tasks right most jobs people just need the opportunity right so don’t give don’t let oh have you ever done this before stop you from hiring somebody because nine times out of 10 most people you want you want to not know the [ __ ] that they say that they know how to do you know what I mean like I don’t know if you ever had hire employees and then you hire them for a reason because they say they can complete ex task right and then you hire them and then they can’t they can do it but they don’t do it the right way so what do you have to do you have to unte bad habits and now teach them how to do it the right way right and sometimes it takes you more time un them unlearning the bad habits then it would be like man if somebody know how to do it at all because now I can teach you how to do it the right way and do it exactly the way I want you to do it not only I’m going to teach you how to do it the right way I’m going to teach you to do it the way I want you to do and it’s actually better than somebody that has some experience quote unquote experience but they do it all [ __ ] up and then you gota like like man I thought you knew what you was doing you know like I said I don’t know I maybe I just me but I’ve definitely had that experience where I’m hiring people to do do jobs that they say they know how to do and they know how to do it but it’s like bro who taught you how to do that like who like where did they do it and you know so like yeah give people a chance to do these things and shout out to my partners because they gave me an opportunity you know they saw some Talent within me and they let me run crazy so shout out to them for recognizing my talent but I think other people and the state I’m speaking to when I say other people I’m talking about the state of Illinois needs to maybe open it up a little bit because right now they are failing those products [ __ ] suck who that Revolution growing 18% indoor this is your again not to [ __ ] on 18% but damn bro you know what I’m saying I thought y’all had the fire I thought y’all was I thought y’all was I thought they was cooking up tails and travels like I don’t know man that’s the best that’s the top cultivator in the state of Illinois that’s what y’all that’s your king Illinois right 18% tals and travel weak ass brand like that [ __ ] sound whack every all of that is just whack bro and I don’t get it I don’t that’s what the state of Illinois is trying to protect like whack Brands you know 18% weed you know that’s what they’re scared of people losing their market share to that because they trying to want they want that to win like it’s not fair it’s not right and really quick before I ask you I ain’t trying to [ __ ] on Revolution either but I’m just saying that [ __ ] pissed me off it’s all good it’s all good uh it was funny I I thought it was funny and I think that they if if they’re professionals they can take it and stride you know so um they take it or not how they want to take it exactly there you go um really quick I have got a funny last question for you that I want to give you the space but I just wanted to tell a funny story of uh just like license caps in the real world obviously there aren’t real license caps like in most other Industries but quick quick examples like in restaurants like there’s this dude that used to own a restaurant in this area uh he doesn’t he owns restaurants all over like the kind of the Midstate Illinois and he was thinking about coming back into this area but he can you know business owners they know everybody around here and so he kind of consulted with everybody and one person respectfully asked like hey man since you’ve left I’ve set up a diner and I’d really prefer you not move back into that area because then you’re going to like basically take all the clientele we’ve built up while you’ve been gone and you know what he did he said hey respect that I’ll I’ll look for somewhere else and it was just cool cuz he could have been an [ __ ] he could been like [ __ ] you I’m starting up a [ __ ] Diner I’m gonna take you [ __ ] you know what I mean but there was like some some professionalism there and I’m not saying everybody would do that maybe this just a nice guy but another example just completely unrelated the car wash in town recently went out of business and there’s like this uh sign that’s been up for quite a while in this town that I’m in and so I finally asked the person that just knows everything that’s going on in town you know there’s always one person in town that knows everything that’s going on right so I asked him what’s going on with that sign with the car wash like when the [ __ ] it going to open and he’s like oh dude nobody’s opening up a car wash they just put that sign up to make sure that nobody opens up a car wash you know uh so that they because they know somebody that’s that will if that makes sense like they don’t want somebody in while there is a vacancy to hop in like somebody has plans but like they’re like trying to stay It Off by this coming soon sign you know what I that’s interesting that’s cool it’s kind of interesting like how people get ingenious with it so anyways I just wanted to give a few examples and I wanted to hit you with a last question that’s serious but I also think that it’ll make you laugh so you gonna buy that weed what weit the weed you just are indeed oh you know what I think I am gonna buy it I was going to say based on the fact that you didn’t even know what I was talking about At first I felt like you need to buy it well I thought you talking about the weed you just showed me yeah I think I am so um I was telling you before we even got going I had smoked a joint of it um when I first came in and I wasn’t crazy about the turps but it was my first joint of the day so I wasn’t sure if it was like still like the toothpaste taste in my mouth or I coffee when I came in I’m like what am I tasting coffee like like like I’m not sure what I’m tasting right now um but yeah after smoking two joints of it I definitely like the way the second one uh I definitely I definitely like the way um the second one tastes than the first one um like I said at first I thought that the uh the turps weren’t quite there it definitely was there on the smell it burns white see the white oh sh burning white ass which isn’t oh [ __ ] it’s burning white ash which isn’t the only thing that I’m looking for it’s not everything and it even doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s good but it is something that I I take account of when I when I pick weed um I even have a I see I have a resin ring res ring I see a resin ring okay I got a resin ring I got some White Ash I got um some turps you know I’m definitely I definitely got a good Buzz it’s decent on my palette I wasn’t crazy on the inhale but on now see it tastes good it tast this second joint tastes better than the first joint and sometimes it be like that yeah um like I said it was a yes for me on all accounts when I looked at the weed and smelled it but when I smoked it I wasn’t as sure but now that I’ve smoked two joints of it yes I’m buying seven pounds of this today this is the permanent marker to purple push pop I’m not sure I’m going to keep that name or if I’m going to change it I’m probably going to change it because it’s a very long name to have on a label um but yeah that’s what the strain is the cultivar is and I have seven pounds of it in Smalls and I have 10 pounds of it in bigs and so I’m gonna buy uh I’m buying this today seven pounds hell yeah soon soon as I get off the phone with you I’m gonna approve it sweet well I don’t want to keep you uh from getting your seven pounds uh thank you man um but no thank you for coming back on and folks I just want to reiterate that Mike and I have talked a lot over the years so if you want to go back and check out other conversations that we’ve had if you like are back and forth that’s how it’s always been and that’s why I love you Mike uh you’re one of my best friends that I’ve love you too bro got to know yeah over the years and so folks if you like these types of conversations I always get comments by the way Mike that people are like dude I love it when Mike Ma comes on because there’s a lot of real talk on it so um thanks for spending time with me like always and I look forward to the next time that we can chat so man always and anytime bro you got it and I can’t tell you how proud I am of you and again like I said I know I talk probably a whole lot of [ __ ] just like I do when everything talked a whole lot of [ __ ] about people people always end up with their feelings hurt about something I say because I you know what it is I learned and you keep this in mind too you are orator no Diddy you know say oror oror you gotta away with words and but yo words can hurt people bro words can be as sharp as knives and that’s something that I learned very very early in life that my words are sharp and so I’m always I never want to sound like I’m like oh tiptoeing and stuff like that but I also don’t want to be disrespectful to people who again I know are out here trying to do something and that’s why I don’t want to like completely [ __ ] on the Snowballs even though I do [ __ ] on the Snowballs I don’t want to completely [ __ ] on the Snowballs because I know that’s like somebody’s like yeah you’re not trying to Y anybody’s yum yeah well I know somebody that was somebody’s idea oh Fair yeah and that [ __ ] and and and there’s a market of people who like that [ __ ] but just because I don’t like it and I’m too much of a weed snob I would never smoke nothing like that that don’t mean that there’s not people out there that don’t enjoy that product right and there’s not somebody out here that’s deserving of the credit to have thought of doing that in the first place that person who thought of it is a [ __ ] genius because last year the snowball [ __ ] was going crazy out here in California people couldn’t get enough of it I’m telling you a people with the TAA powder I was selling that [ __ ] by the key I got thca powder by the key bro you know what I’m saying that’s say they playing around all this old gram and [ __ ] I got keys to that [ __ ] right and I got different and I I got different qualities I got different grades of it I got grade as fine as powder I got grad as thick as Sal Tony Manana yeah exact bro I can show you I could put up pictures bro it look like coke look like the that’s say look like the real things I got bricks of it though don’t don’t call me for nothing less than a key on the real because we don’t break it down I got keys right and so so so it was really going last year and that’s what I’m just saying like just I’m always like trying to be self-aware and know that just because something is not my thing doesn’t mean it’s not a thing right and it’s not deserving of some type of credit even if it’s not nothing that I would put into my loans you know like I said I would caution people for a lot of different R things but anyway like I always appreciate you bro and I appreciate you giving me an opportunity to you know speak on your platform you know I do not do too many interviews but I’m always um I’m always happy to um speak to you and you know give give some insight here and that hat by the way is I [ __ ] with that hat that’s a dope hat thank you thank you shout out that brand who who is that what hat is uh honestly I don’t remember they gave me this hat uh fat bottom Labs okay yeah I met them like a few when I first started the Illinois podcast they gave me this hat and I saw it before I hopped on I was like this is a cool hat I’m gonna throw it on it’s cool it’s a cool logo I like that yeah very nice yeah all right yeah thank you absolutely and I’ll leave the crowd with this quick message just keep your mind open everybody as Mike and I said we’re always like keeping our mind open and I think that’s super important live and learn and uh we’ll leave you with that so take care and uh you know we’ll see you on the next episode of the co memo aome CR peace
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