The Cole Memo

In this episode, Torrey Lisa returns! During our conversation we talk about the legal sex industry in Nevada. You can connect with Torrey at TorreyLisa.com.

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hello again Tori welcome back to the Cole memo it’s so good to be back thanks for having me it’s always fun to talk absolutely and and folks you are tuned into to the Cole memo I’m your host Cole Preston every episode has released in audio video and transcript format if you’d like to find any version like the video version the audio version or the transcript version just look in the description for this episode you’ll find a link that will take you to our website and that will display the links where you can find this episode on all platforms if you’re having trouble finding that link just go to our website in the top right hand corner you can simply note the episode number um so note the episode number and folks this is episode 69 we’ll get back to why that’s funny in a moment um search up episode 69 on the memo.com and you can find this episode in all the links that we might reference during the episode before we start the show just really quick I’d like to remind you that our show is supported by listeners like you so if you’d like to support our show go to the memo.com patreon it only cost $3 a month and you get our episodes as they release another great way to support our show which is absolutely free is to just subscribe to our show follow it leave a positive review from wherever you’re listening uh to us from share it with your friends all that good stuff your engagement and support is appreciated today is March 18th 2024 holy crap R it’s episode 69 of the Cole memo and I think that’s funny because we’re sitting back down with Tory leea Tori remind us who you are hi I am Tori Lisa and I am a legally licensed cortison in the state of Nevada and I’m also a pro porn star and I like to do hot girl [ __ ] so I travel a lot I film a lot I do photo shoots professionally I’m basically a full-time government certified I love it I love it yep that’s uh I will never forget that awesome promo we released for one of your first um episodes where you said exactly that and folks uh if you haven’t checked out like I said this is not the first time tor’s been on the show in fact the last time I sat down with her was in Denver for almost three hours no this was not the longest leadup to a porno that she’s ever shot we did not end up sorry I just I was hoping somebody would make that joke I meant to make that joke but I we were so into the conversation that I completely forgot um to say hey folks you know we’re about two hours into this if you were expecting us to start getting naked that’s not what’s going to happen in this show for that what’s that I charge for access to something like that that’s right that’s right yeah you might find content like that on Tori’s uh website by the way that’s a really good uh plug where can we find online all of the links to find my safe for work and not safe for work like all my socials all the platforms that you can find my adult content is on Tory lisa.com and that’s t r r y l ia.com perfect perfect that was smooth we fit that fit that right in there so uh you know puns puns aside um and one more plug for for you Tori in case people wanted to see those episodes and our entire series on the legal sex industry uh just go to the memo.com seex and you can find all of the episodes that I’ve released in this series I’m displaying my screen right now we released 14 episodes and um you know what’s funny is that sometimes people will say to me Cole your podcast is so long uh I’m not a person that generally looks at views but my last episode which was episode 14 the tour of bazasi Ander Ranch was a 5H Hour episode and it is our all-time top streamed episode so our longest episode has the most streams we’ve ever gotten uh as far as I can tell like I said I generally don’t look at those but I was pretty shocked to see that yeah 66,000 views on our tour of Bella AI Ander Ranch you can see me dressed as a cowboy out in the desert having a great time if you guys want to once again that’s the memo.com seex it’s crazy you know this started with me calling you from a brothel and then it ended with me actually going out to a brothel exactly and the other plot twist is I am now at Bella’s haand Ranch not today but I am now officially um doing tours at Bella’s haand Ranch so I ended up going to after our last visit together so this will be number three number three yeah number three for me that’s awesome three different three different counties it’s been fun yeah I’m curious did you ever hear about the podcast did anybody ever see you on the podcast or oh of course yeah cool that’s awesome I remember I remember that one text I shared with you that I love to hear everything I do or say I’ve gotten a lot of feedback whether it’s about the topic itself or like I could listen to you all day keep them coming so here we are episode 69 no less hell yeah hell yeah and I have seen you pop up I mean I’ve seen you pop up on other content creators like shout out to Matt Cen for example um and but I’ve seen you do other radio shows as well so I have yes I I like to shout to the rooftops how proud I am of the work that I do and why it matters so I’m not shy about any of this and if you’ve watched the previous episodes I am so transparent about what I do that I use my real name so like there’s no secrets here I’m an open book I like to peel back the curtains remove the mystery answer questions reduce the stigmas um and normalize in the conversation about legal sex work yeah and I wish I would have record recorded this after our last conversation so for folks that have seen our last conversation they will know that I asked you about uh your then I don’t know the case now and if this isn’t the case now I apologize for bringing this up but at the time you were I believe dating somebody and I asked you I said does this person like are they like totally just cool with you like they know that you this and on the podcast you said yes but I specifically asked you I was like like you’ll just call him and tell them what you do and you’re like oh yeah and I like I thought you were just trying to be funny on the podcast but you literally called him afterwards and you were like hey um I’ll call you sometimes after a a scene sometimes right and like tell you what I’ve done and this guy was this is just for my listeners I wish I would have recorded this cuz it uh it was just so funny he’s like yeah man he’ll call she’ll call me and be like yeah you know just just suck suck this guy’s dick it was crazy and I’m like the guy was like and I’m like uh yeah good good job baby I’m so proud of you and I’m just like you weren’t lying he definitely was super supportive of everything I was doing and again like very comfortable um with everything I did and and so I didn’t gatekeep what I was doing now update I’m single again by choice I it was a long-distance relationship and it was really difficult to keep that together and I’m so busy and he was going to school full-time working full-time it just we we really couldn’t um connect as much as we used to when I had you know downtime in the brool and so on so um the last time I saw him was November of last year year I spent a couple of weeks with him but it was just for the best so I you know I do wish him well and you know he was very supportive of everything I did but yeah I I literally after we got off off the um the the interview I just picked up the phone and I called him without any you know I didn’t give him fair warning I’m like hey baby yeah he literally just woke up and he’s like well yeah yeah and I put so you could hear for yourself like I surround myself with people that are supportive of what I do if you are not supportive of what I do that’s fine too you just won’t be in my inner circle or in my periphery if you will um I don’t have time for critics and people that want to interfere with it so um either you’re on board or you’re not one yeah yeah it was just for me like the reason I found it so notable and wanted to share it on the show was because I think I said this when we were speaking last but it just must take some degree of confidence that I don’t have you know to be able like I just don’t feel like I’d be comfortable but like I like respect the fact that some people like they’re not it’s almost like they’re not selfish like I almost feel like I’m selfish because I’m like no if I’m with a person they’re my person right and you have to understand that I also associate with people who are ethical non- monogamists there’s a right higher level of emotional intelligence involved in open Dynamics um it doesn’t make monogamy wrong or polyamory right it’s not that at all it’s just it it’s only for certain people that can there’s a there’s a term called compersion okay and people that are typically in the circles of ethical non- monogamy multi-partnered or in the sex work field tend to have partners and friends and so on that are have a high level of compersion and compersion in its most boiled down Essence is if you’re happy I’m happy okay at the fundamental level and so for me compersion also means your pleasure is my pleasure so when I am with a client and I am getting them aroused it arouses me so it’s this reciprocity that happens so the partners that I have been with or will be with um intimately in a personal relationship will have a v will be driven by compersion to make that relationship work and I’ve been very fortunate to have plenty of Partners over the last four years that I’ve been on this journey that have been supportive and have been open and like I demonstrated in in doing call on speaker phone after we finished talking it’s like yeah I don’t make this up he literally was super supportive of everything I did and wanted to know how my day went and what things I I got to do that were fun for me and and so on so that becomes a normal conversation in the world that I’m in whereas somebody else couldn’t imagine having that conversation let alone the relationship itself and that’s fine you know we’re all wired differently so I just align with those that can and will and do um engage with me in a way that is supportive of my career of my professional choices of the fact that I am super independent you know like I don’t r on a partner to do all the things that I do in my life it’s just nice to have one to cheer me on and be part of my hype Squad and to share those intimate details with yeah absolutely um like I say I feel like yeah that’s a really good point and you always have a good way of explaining things like you say it’s not about right or wrong it’s just about like what people’s preferences are and what they’re comfortable with and just because I may not be comfortable with that doesn’t mean like you say it doesn’t mean that that I’m wrong or that you’re wrong or anything else it’s just simply our comfort level you know is Comfort level um I’m not saying that somebody whose monogamous isn’t as mature or as emotionally intelligent it’s not that I’m just saying that right the emot intelligence is a prerequisite regardless of your choices in how you partner with others whether it’s monogamous or polyamorous or swingers or sex workers what have you um it’s just a prerequisite yeah for it work yeah um one of the questions I meant to ask earlier when I asked like have you heard about the podcast is I was curious did you hear about like any any effects from the podcast like good or bad um because you know we talked about the good and the bad um I’m just curious have you heard any like good changes or like bad changes I mean within the industry or the people in it or just by viewers as a whole yeah like well here’s an example like vice vice recently released a documentary on the Bunny Ranch and I thought that was a really well put together hour one of yeah yeah it was really good and people should check it out people should really check it out um I literally bought Hulu TV just to watch it debut live because I was my first thought was like these [ __ ] are stealing my story uh but then I was like well you know they might it’s it’s an abundance mindset which is what we need to have which and it’s like well actually they may bring more attention to my stories because people will see this and then go online and try to learn more but I guess what I’m saying uh what I noticed is that at the end of their documentary uh they had the exact same result as I had which is that the Bunny Ranch refus to talk to them I just saw the other day um really still right but I just saw the other day that Kiki lover who recently left the Hoff brothel for many of the same reasons you left she’s back and she did a TV interview yeah which I thought was interesting I don’t know the circumstances as to whether or not they were endorsing it or allowing it or not um I true era that I was involved um it was it was a hard no um for any any typee of media now here’s the thing though um I too watched the premiere on Vice my dear friend Alice little who I um you know collaborate with in many different ways we just got done filming for a week in Denver and then the month before we filmed for a week in um Vegas like we are constantly in communication with each other and we’re drumming up more the adult Road show is basically what we do um is one of the main components of some of our collaborations but she’s one of my dearest friends so when I saw that this episode on Vice was coming on and she was in it um yeah I was watching the premiere live just like everyone else um I was super excited about that because what you’re doing is creating a ripple effect of other media Outlets going oh this is a fascinating topic and we do need to talk talk about the pros and cons and ins and outs and really bring a level of Education to the general public um you know there’s a lot of mystery involved in it but there’s also a lot of drama involved in it and everybody likes the drama too so like I I really think Alice did an amazing job I mean I was watching it live texting her going girl you’re on fire I loved it you know and and um and so I I have to thank her too because she’s been very outspoken um she and I both have a very Advocate uh approach to our rights as sex workers and about the legal brothel industry as a whole and since we’re both actively in it um we’re going to talk about it so you know kudos to you for bringing this out to the public and for understanding that the more conversations we have the better and and and the fact that you’re still having conversations about it really shows where your integrity is it’s like you really want to um expand on this more and build off of previous interviews um you know I I wish Kiki the best I’m hopeful because there has been some change of command within that Network since I left and I’m hoping it’s for the better but it’s still what I’m detecting and what I’m interpreting is that it’s still the same culture of we don’t talk about that and we need to talk about that yeah yeah it’s the only way I mean the reason the people from the Hof State always were on TV is because it’s the only way you could advertise basically so it’s it’s interesting do you know is Suzette still at Bella’s Henda she’s like girl do whatever you want like talk to whoever like there is absolutely no um implied restrictions um not that anybody can override my decisions you saw that I filmed from inside the very place that said no you can’t right I talked about The Good the Bad and the Ugly about the second house that I was working at um at that time I was taking a break and traveling and focusing on filming and photo shoots and what have you now I’m I’m still doing that but I’m also my my schedule is a lot more packed because I’m doing the brothel touring again I am traveling and filming and all the all the stuff that I’ve been doing I continue to do it and so yeah I’m I’m happy to continue the conversation and thank you for having it absolutely yeah absolutely um one thing that I recently saw which I was trying trying to pull up footage because this is easily proven false by my episode uh there’s a lawsuit that came out about not just Basia and sorry not just bazasi and ranch but other brothels were named and maybe you can tell us about this uh what you know about it but one thing that I saw that they said and I’m just going to play this footage really quick because this is this is false from this from what I understand from the lawsuit uh they say that uh there’s a fence surrounding Bellas and the women can’t leave I’ve been there um and I’m also just going to display some footage of bellaz Zenda there’s the town Wells right here there’s a railway uh right below here and as the camera turns around you’re going to see Bellas now what you won’t see is a fence um there’s never go ahead that’s what’s crazy is that not only does your footage show that and prove it but if you look in the historical Google Google you know Earth photos there’s never been offense so to make claims like that when I I actually read the lawsuit line for line word for word and I just laughed um you know I’m sorry if somebody had bad experiences at certain locations but I do believe that there is a level of embellishment if you will um a misrepresentation of you know these claims were just laughable and you know actually I was at Bella’s the day that that lawsuit was filed and I was sitting next to Madame Bella we were looking over it and I’m going that’s ridiculous that’s not I mean how do they come up with this stuff you know so so frivolous at best um I I really think that those that did speak up because a couple of the other houses that were involved in that lawsuit did make some public statements and good for them um and I just I I can’t wait to see how this plays out it’s unfortunate that that it everybody has to deal with it but let’s deal with it let’s get the truth there you know um a court of law is a really great place to get the truth out well and I think it’s important to mention that I believe the legal professional behind this lawsuit is Jason guaso who’s been behind other efforts to try and and am I right yes that is correct and oh Jason look at me the little Stoner from Illinois and we can put it all together yeah he he um I no comment on Jason yeah I tried to reach out to Jason and yeah I’ve not heard back from him I’ve reached out a few times hopefully I can get him on because uh you know as you know um I’m not afraid to talk about the bad things uh with this industry and in fact I’ve got a few more episodes uh from you know somebody who has been characterized as a Critic uh of the system I don’t think she is uh you know she definitely says some things that I don’t agree with but we also agree on certain things which it’s like the same we had the same conversation you had which is like we can’t necessarily copy and paste what’s going on in Nevada into other states because what’s going on in Nevada is not entirely perfect but it’s also not entirely flawed right and so what we agreed on you and I and basically even the critics I spoke to is that there is an answer and it’s some in the middle um but that does not include criminalization you know right um decriminalization is always the first best step as we navigate how to go beyond that yeah yeah so um you said you have been to Bellas for at least a tour yeah I sure did there um beginning of February for a couple of weeks and my honest opinion is that’s my favorite house so far I think Madame Bella runs a really beautiful um and professional environment she’s absolutely supportive of us she’s always looking out for our best interest I think that my experience there because the initial tour um she had reached out to me and she said hey I’d really like to talk to you and we had multip conversations over over the course of a month and I I committed to a two twoe tour I stayed a couple extra days actually um than the original commitment so I did extend a bit and then I set my new tour dates because I loved it so much I said yeah I’ll come back but the whole idea was she said come on down see how you like it and and you know kurtains wide open you know I got to sit down and look at things that maybe most people may not have access to because I’m trustworthy and so on so I was able to see from multiple perspectives and even more in depth than say somebody coming in on their first tour I knew what questions to ask and what to look for and I was wow I really think that Bellas deserves um more recognition in the places to go and people to see the girls there are amazing and absolutely fantastic the culture there H very very professional and the staff and so on but Madam Bella is America’s Madam she’s been at it for 37 years she knows what she’s doing and honestly Bellis asenda is the only cortison run rale in the whole state she doesn’t have to be on site we as the working girls um can run that in her absence and she trusts us because she only puts the trustworthy people in to be able to do that so that is part of something that I think a lot of people don’t realize is the the structure of a brothel is varies greatly um it is the only woman owned brothel in the state that I am aware of the last I fact checked that was the case I have seen um other brothel unfortunately closing their doors when I was there at Bella um the adjoining property um in the same area um not owned or or associated with us but another owned by someone else rothel their doors were closed um nobody was coming in or out so they may be on their way out the door maybe they closed temporarily for this season um but it was It was kind of concerning to me that if we’re losing brothel because they’re going out of business what’s that going to do to the industry um I saw another brothel shut down um over the winter they reopened it shut down they they opening and closing opening and closing Bellas has been in continuous operation even during covid um she made sure that the girls were not left stranded and without options you know she took care of everyone when everyone else was like sorry see you later give us a call when this is over she she went above and beyond for the girls so like I see how much she cares about anyone and everyone that walks through those doors and that impresses me it really does yeah um I wonder I’ve started to wonder especially even how they framed that um that Vice documentary you know it’s it’s on a show called sex before the internet I’m wondering like if the internet not totally but kind of killed the brothel industry you know what I mean like in the sense that you know you’ve got only fans and all that okay so yes there’s there is that I mean the thing is is people want inperson experiences they want to have time with a pro Ford and star like myself they want to have time with the girl next door they want to have access to the intimacy and the exhilaration of the in-person experience covid certainly put a dent in it okay but I came into the industry after covid was over and it was a very vibrant industry um but then the economy is also putting a dent in it and I think that has led to um what I was witnessing with you know another brothel with you know across the parking lot from Bellas um not even bothering to open you know and so I look at the success of the brothels that are able to stay open despite the economy fluctuations despite the covid quarantines and so on um and staying and operating legally the whole time is is quite an accomplishment now do I hope that the economy has an upswing of course because that’s going to translate to more business people will have more discretionary money but the housing market and the econ economy and the precariousness of it right now has has impacted to some degree but it’s not enough to just wipe out the whole industry um people are just looking at lower price points in order to access things but there is no replacement for that in-person experience and those that have the means to access a luxury product I am a luxury provider regardless of which house I’m in you will always get a luxury experience with me and my prices reflect that but I I made money just fine when I was at Bellas you know it it’s it’s it’s not a guaranteed income stream it never has been and never will be but I’m still doing just fine yeah yeah I think that like you say that I didn’t mean I’ll show you I’ve actually got a funny little Family Guy clip a short Family Guy clip that I’ll show you what I meant and I think you know what I me what I meant when when when you see this Family Guy clip you’ll like oh that’s what you mean um but to your point really quick I do think Bellas sits at in a place strategically which is like very uh smartly placed for lack of better words so like the right next to the Utah border so all of the sexually repressed uton can come over and like you say get an in-person experience and and I absolutely do agree with you that that is never going to go away and I don’t think that um that only fans replaces that this is what I meant with only fans here’s our Family Guy clip for some comedy it all right let’s do it both of you are under arrest for prostitution it’s not prostitution you paid her to have sex no I paid her to have sex and we’re filming it so technically it’s not prostitution it’s a oh well as long as you’re filming and selling it it’s legal enjoy your day remember kids she’s not a [ __ ] if she’s an actress this has been a message I love it and it’s actually true like yeah so I I don’t think that killed the brothel industry but it certainly made let’s call it legal sex much more accessible in let’s say East the East Coast people that can’t make it to Las Vegas they like well let’s just film it and then maybe put it on only fans or something like that you know really great because that is my territory there is always that layer of protection because I’m already established in that industry and you’re right it is legal yeah butly um you were talking about it’s close to the Utah border but it’s also close to the Idaho border it is the closest bro to Utah and Idaho it’s at the 93 and I80 Crossroads it’s perfectly placed in my opinion very strategic and very successful as a result but Utah has banned horns sites when I travel through Utah because I travel 10 states consistently in fact today I’m am in Montana you know like I’m constantly traveling um there are certain states that I can’t get any of my work done I’ve had to high people to handle the back end of my porn stuff and so on um so that when I am traveling through those States most recently Texas uh Texas also banned you know porn sites and so on so Utah when I go to Utah I can’t log into my only fans my Utah subscribers I lost all of them unless they are using vpns and Texas had an uptick of VPN searches people are moving over to VPN it’s like I get why some states are concerned about underage consumption of pornographic material but if you put that stuff behind a pay wall we’re not going to have that problem okay if somebody steals their mom’s credit card and they’re underage okay that’s that’s a parental controls issue not a porn issue and so I think that it’s kind of um unfortunate that these states are entertaining this uh concept of banning porn um I can understand as a parent myself I’m a parent and a grandparent that underage consumption of um adult entertainment material does need to have enough barriers in place so that you can’t just stumble upon it so easily I get that part and I endorse that and I support that um my pornographic materials uh to a greater or lesser degree everything behind a pay wall and in the places where it is a little spicy like over on Twitter SLX I have it set to 18 and over okay so nobody’s going to accidentally stumble on my ex account if they’re using an underage account and and then and that’s by Design I’m I’m not trying to mark it to underage but I should be able to mark it to an entire state of consenting adults who want to log in and access it and they can’t now so now they’re trying to find their own loopholes to get around it so they can consume my content and the content of every other adult film star um positioned like I am um so yeah we’re in we’re in a little bit of a debacle with that now too how do how do the states can you like get around it by using Twitter or X because I mean they can’t just ban Twitter or X or do they ban those posts somehow I don’t know the answer to that I don’t know um if I it’s my interpretation and assumption that people Texas can access Twitter just fine um but they can’t go on like PornHub and only fans and so on things that are that are strictly meant for the distribution see but even that is a little you’re right I I think primarily only fans is used for those services but I’ve thought about starting and only fans uh to because some cont creators do use it yes you know um they do have safeer work creators who are doing cooking uh series and like travel series like stuff that has nothing to do with sex work or adult content yeah um it has become very unfriendly for us as adult content creators over on only fans it has become so restrictive that I’m to the point now where I’m just going to move all my best stuff over to other platforms because they have retro actively popped me and given me violations for Content that’s been up for four years that was perfectly fine at the time that I published it it has been perfectly fine for the last four years but once they change their rules then they go oh you just broke our Rule and I was like but I haven’t been breaking it for four years you just recently changed the rule so now I have to be super careful about what I put on only fans as to not violate any of the many rules that we have now gotten ourselves into as a Creator using that platform I have to kind of sort and and Export a lot of the content that I’ve that’s been perfectly fine up until now it needs to be moved to other platforms so I am doing a transition to other platforms for that reason um but as only fans was marketed predominantly like they profited so much they as in the only fans uh machine Phoenix International um they built that platform off our backs and now they’re doing us dirty so I am just pivoting accordingly there are other platforms but platforms that are you know like many vids and clips for sale and loyal fans and slushie and mint and like there’s so many platforms out there I I can’t even list them all but those are just some examples of adult geared platforms that every platform can have vanilla content and safer work content but let’s be honest it’s an adult platform and those States blocking those sites is ridiculous they just need to find that that sweet spot in the Middle where underage here’s my like KS to it as easily as they have been maybe in the years’s past yeah and you know I don’t I don’t know what the answer to that is but in my when I was a kid I wasn’t allowed on the computer it was like a parenting thing yeah now I know that to your point my dad was getting Playboy delivered directly to our house well that’s the other thing I remember as a kid going on road trips and I you know we’d go to a gas station and yeah I would just walk to a certain section and I could see all the porn magazines like and it was on my parents to make sure I didn’t walk over there so in the context of the internet it tell my parents to to a make sure I don’t get on there or B set up this is why parental controls exist on browsers and computers to set up some sort of way to if you’re if you’re that concerned that your child is hellbent on seeking out that information first of all I don’t believe in suppressing somebody trying to figure out what’s going on suppressing information but if that’s what your goal is and if that’s your concern these tools exist like I would remember even in grade school before we were allowed to use computers we had to like sign off on a thing and we had to pass a test that said we knew how to use a computer and one of the things actually just kind of funny enough how porn got involved in it they told us never go to White house.com make sure you go to White house.gov back in the day I don’t know if you knew this story but apparently white house.com was one of the like original big porn sites yeah and I I I love that the industry was ahead of its time when the internet came out the industry ever since the internet was formed has been out there okay it’s not like oh we just finally got around to publishing adult content I mean adult content was being was being captured on camera the moment cameras were invented you know like it’s going to be created perod I don’t know if it was in multiple ways but interestingly the very same states that are putting these bands on porn sites or adult oriented sites are all also the same states that have the most oppressive rules as far as like women’s right to have terminate a pregnancy they also have the worst rates of um education sex education in in their schools they are the ones that are like you know just abstain until you get married kind of approaches and those do not work those do not work and the Curiosity wanting to know the um pardon the pun the ins and outs of sex like the mechanics of of intercourse and intimacy and particular acts that they might be curious about are only a Google search away they’re going to find it if we’re not going to teach it thoroughly and appropriately in a way that um promotes uh sex ual safety you know we need to be talking about preventing STDs and STI in the schools instead of you know saying here’s a condom but we’re not going to show you how to use it you know what I’m saying like that’s not good enough we have to have more comprehensive sex education in every state and that will reduce the number of people going well I don’t understand so let me go to the internet to figure it out let’s help them understand from A to Z all the ins and outs of sex education and quit being so freaking proved it’s dumb to to Overlay especially in a religious realm um these criterias of being true and good and pure I’m I’m I’m a pure person um so what are you really trying to promote here you’re you’re promoting moral Authority yeah and and and I don’t subscribe to that I just don’t so I think better sex education uh better um pay wall options and um more parental controls but a parent in defense of parents they can’t be 247 okay they can put the parental controls um they can regulate the Wi-Fi passwords whatever it is there there are ways that take effort on the parents part but even the best parents cannot prevent 100% um a very dedicated and motivated teenager from going online and finding it somewhere right just like with drugs you know um just like with drugs them so they can make informed choices and to not be so curious or um at a disadvantage of knowing what they need to know um I I in my travels I was recently um soaking in a hot tub hanging out with some early 20s nursing students these girls were amazing and in in our conversations you know they were like so you know what do you do and I was like you wouldn’t believe me if I told you and so I I age verified all of them before I told them I made sure they were not underage in order to have just a casual conversation yeah we as performers and as you know legally licensed sex workers we’re not going to engage in a conversation until I know that you are age appropriate for that conversation so this prime example they’re nursing students I can see they are over the age of 21 let alone over the age of 18 but I had to get their verbal like I verified that they were old enough to get the answer to the question they asked and I answered them honestly and they were like no way tell me more and we sat in the hot tub for a good two hours and they were like as nursing students now here is where it really the point I really want to make on this they are nursing students they know anatomy and physiology and they know the biology of you know of of how humans propagate right they know all that they are formally trained on all that but they still wanted to know what’s the secret to a good [ __ ] and I explained in detail what my process is and what sets me apart in the industry as an oral Queen um so that they can be empowered and informed even though they are already had the quote information of the practicality of sex and making babies and what have you they are a prime example of how they still don’t know enough that they still have questions even as nursing students the curiosity is there they will feed that Curiosity one way or the other I just happen to be the perfect person to ask those question questions and I was very forthright I said I don’t gatekeep let me tell you my secrets you know and I said um you know when I film um the running joke with the adult Road show is we’re thinking of doing a compilation video of all the o faces that I create with my co-stars because I had one videographer in Vegas pull me aside he says I’ve been working with this male talent for years now and I have never seen that Shadow face that he gave when you when you snatched his soul you know it’s like I am different so I told them why I’m Different how I’m different and how they can replicate that to to their own Comfort levels I just gave them the information I said take what fits leave out the rest but these are nursing students cool I mean come on yeah is that not a testimony to just how lacking we are in educating on the practicalities of intimacy in a way that’s pleasurable for all parties involved that’s safe and sane and consensual let’s have that happen yeah well I’ve got a question for you but I’ve got I’ve uh since you brought that up I’ve got a question now that’s probably going to peque the men’s interest and make the women’s eyes roll or it’ll Peak the women’s interest um just you know you just went into depth do you do I want to give you or do you want me to give you space to tell people your secrets on oral sex or is that a trade secret that you don’t want to divulge here’s the thing I don’t get keep but I am going to for time purposes okay gener number one um interestingly and ironically what people see in porn really isn’t that pleasurable it’s very mechanical and it’s very theatrical okay so for a lack of better terms I don’t Facebook what you’re seeing predominantly in those videos far and wide is an element of aggressive face [ __ ] and um my clients don’t want that now some do and I let them know we’re not doing that you’re going to need to trust the process and allow me to do my Magic The Magic itself is the fact that I don’t make it a mechanical process it is not just a hole that’s being filled with friction it is a very sensual very slow and gradually increasing process it is a multitasking process it is not an involvement of a mouth being open it is it is everything from what I’m doing with my tongue for example when I am deep throating guess what I still got more room for my tongue to go even further okay so I could be fully to the end of as far as I can go but I will get that tongue out and use it in other ways beyond the stopping point I have skills I have the ability to do these things that other people would may have to practice years to accompl accomplish but it’s it’s hands it’s sensory on other parts of the body being done simultaneously it’s it’s um literally like worshiping the person that I’m with and their not just their Anatomy but just the then the sensations and so on that come with it and like I got a text yesterday saying I love how you make me feel okay so it’s not just a smash and dash in and out you know I’m not that girl I will treat you like the king you are and so for me it is a different approach it is a different process I take pride in it and a lot of times it’s clear to me that people have been going decades with mediocre to bad [ __ ] because that’s all they’ve known and all they’ve ever done because they’re trying to replicate what they see in porn which is not actually the best representation of how to give a good blood job there are elements of of entertainment and it’s a visual realm in adult content it’s all very visual so you’re going to give them um you’re not going to be able to see what my tongue is is doing underneath everything because it’s it’s hidden so it it does make it different um for the recipient whether it’s an adult film star whether it’s a client whether it’s a lover an intimate partner um it’s different with me and I take a lot of pride in it and I genuinely love doing it and it it it gets me off just to be able to do it and dudes love that they love to know that I genuinely enjoy it I’ve had people go oh I mean like clients go well I’m not going to make you do anything you don’t want to do I’m like what made you think I don’t like that and it’s because previous Partners have said o that’s dirty or oh I don’t like it or it’s just not for me and they think all women don’t like it because a few in their past me have complained or avoided it or just kind of like said straight up no um for me I enjoy it so I’m going to give you the ride of your life uh with that and anything else you know um I have some party tricks party favors that’s the other thing a lot of times I get approached going can you can you get party favorites that I’m not that girl you know um don’t come at me with that I’m going to give you a professional experience and so when guys come in and they’re like they think they have to do this this thing or that thing or whatever I’m like no just trust the process let me do my magic and you’ll see and they’re like holy mother of God I never knew it could be that way that is consistently what I receive in feedback from people who have been able to enjoy that magic and they go holy [ __ ] that was crazy um and I loved it and I can’t wait to do it again my retention rate is high for a lot of different reasons that’s just one of the many yeah well uh thank you for taking that tangent uh to close I thought you brought up a really good point before we went on that tangent that that we do need better sex education and in fact I would say that maybe kids seeking out sex education on the internet could not be the the greatest outcome because you know there is and I’m not trying to yuck anybody’s yum but there is is like some hardcore porn out there and again I’m not harshing anybody’s mellow I’m just saying that for some people it could give them an unreal expectation or maybe just a misunderstanding of what is going on you know and like one of the things you’ve explained on former episodes like you know before I talked to you I always thought that like BDSM and all that stuff was like a little bit abusive but you taught me that there’s like a lot of like consent involved and it’s like you really talk about it and always based on so but but to somebody that just Tunes in and that’s and that’s how I came across it I was like what the [ __ ] is this and I had to click on it you know what I mean and then you just see it and you’re like this doesn’t seem like it did I mean obviously they agreed to do it and whatever but like when you watch it and you’re not ex when you’re not explained like you explained to me you could you could misunderstand something and then you know Come Away with with a bad understanding of how sex should be versus if we just [ __ ] educated our children right you know what I mean is the fundamental part of sex education it is a fundamental part of um explaining what BDSM actually is it is not powering over it is powering with it is an energetic exchange it is a power Dynamic everything if done correctly because there’s so many fake Doms out there that are just out there to exploit and be abusive there are a lot of abusers out there that will Target unknowing Subs who want to try something for the first time I recently had a friend that I’ve known for years say hey I’m navigating these Waters I’m trying new things but um I’m having trouble finding somebody safe can you recommend somebody I said I absolutely will and I did I made those connections so that they can have conversations and I knew she would be in good hands at the same time when I was in Denver okay um the last scene that I filmed on the last day was a BDSM scene it was um SNM okay sadism and Ma masochism um it involved bondage it involved impact play it was very intense and I had bruises all over me that I was so proud of that people would look at those bruises and go oh my God who beat you you know like who abused you like what they do and it’s like no no no you don’t understand true BDSM at a professional level um there’s a term called rack risk aware consensual Kink it’s an acronym for risk aware consensual Kink somebody like me who is trauma informed who is um always consent-based in everything I do um in and out of work um I I won’t even hug somebody without asking them first may I hug you I am driven by consent because my whole world is built on that Foundation of consent any touching of any human should be something you get consent for now that may seem extreme some people are GNA go what I should ask before I hug um yeah actually should but if you don’t as long as your friends are cool with it but when I’m meeting somebody for the first time I’ll say I’m a hugger may I hug you and if they say I prefer not I say no problem I respect that you know and so um I can’t tell you how many times guys come up and think oh let me just grab her ass she likes it no you’re gonna ask first yeah this isn’t Costco you don’t get freebies you don’t get samples you’re GNA ask and if you don’t then that puts you in a different category and I’m going to handle you differently we’re going to get some things very clear and understood upfront before we have any further interaction yeah you know so consent uh teaching consent in sex education hello that’s like topic number one consent yeah well folks if you haven’t seen our series on the legal sex industry in America I encourage you to check it out at the co memo.com /sx I also encourage you to check out the vice documentary that we mentioned earlier you know I think the more information out here uh the better I will say that I think and of course it’s hard to pack this much information in an hour as I said earlier my my this series is pretty long the series that you can find at the cool memo.com seex I think my Series has a lot more information um you know compared to uh what they could fit into an hour again it’s hard to fit everything into an hour this is a multi-hour series I’m just trying to promote my own series because for example I spoke to Dennis Hoffs uh the last Chef that cooked a meal for Dennis Hoff I spoke to his Handler I spoke to many people that worked with and for him I spoke to Tory Lisa several times I spoke to Caitlyn Bailey uh who is an awesome person and host of the oldest profession podcast I highly recommend you check all of that out I spoke to the Alice little uh as we mentioned earlier and of course as I started the show with I ended up visiting a brothel itself so Tori I want to thank you as you can see you were my first guest in this series um so you know thank you so much for helping what’s that I top I popped the brothel cherry on this series that’s right you were the first guest to call into our show from Ab brothel which is uh yeah I’m never going to be able you you were that you took that title so um and I just want to thank you for coming onto the show so many times giving me so much of your time and I look forward to the next time that we speak but I just want to say you know for the historical record I’m really proud of what we’ve done together because I am not aware of another series and if you are listen sitting right now and you’re aware of a series or piece of media that is extremely expansive on the sex industry send it my way because I’m always looking to learn more um but I’m so proud of what we came up with because I truly do think it’s like a little time capsule uh of what was going on at the time you know the good and the and it is a journey it’s an evolution of things so thank you for having me for so long I mean this has been gosh what a couple of years now couple year project yeah yeah what’s funny is whenever I heard people working on projects for a couple years I’m like I’ll never be able to do that and then here I here I go with this project but it’s a great topic to continue the conversation about so thank you for continuing that conversation thank you for having me on I guess this is my fourth appearance um and episode 69 no last so perfect in fact I will say this with the adult Road show we have an ongoing storyline about love potion 69 and the fact that I was born in 1969 as my youngest son says mom that was the best year to be born it’s so perfect for you know um and for those that don’t know my youngest son I have all adult children you know so they they know what I do it’s it’s it’s a it’s actually just so casual for them to know what I do and talk about it um but the thing is is like this whole 69 thing is is threaded throughout my life and not just the year I was born but also the story lines with the adult Road Show y’all have got to go over on Twitter and follow um the handle adult Road Show um and see what’s going on we’ve got a lot of things in the pipeline a lot of great talent uh press releases went out about it but what you’re doing um 100% thanks for letting me be episode 69 absolutely absolutely I was telling you before before we got on air but just for our listeners this one is this one’s being released the day we recorded because I’ve literally been holding back episodes so that Tori and I’s schedule could match up for episode 69 so thank you and I’m so glad it lined up it’s perfect it’s perfect so keep up the and thank you the viewers that have watched these episodes whether it’s in part or in full um be sure to like share comment like your engagement on social media always helps even if you don’t agree or do agree doesn’t matter um you know it’s it’s a conversation that we need to have and I’m sure there’s plenty of critics still out there okay let’s talk about that what are your concerns what are you misinformed about um this conversation is important so thanks for continuing it absolutely absolutely thank you yeah and I guess that’s my last thought it is interesting you know um a lot of of my other content is obviously cannabis related so maybe that’s why it doesn’t resonate with users uh listeners um but the other thing I was thinking about is yeah I feel like there’s so much still of an existing stigma on this subject that some people may be afraid to like share this content you know or like this content so it’s crazy because back in the day you could say the same thing about weed content right like you wouldn’t share this type of show because it’s like well then somebody might know that I smoke weed then I might get in trouble you know like the stigma the um legalization issues you know there’s so many parallels to the Cannabis industry and the legal sex work industry um I think you did a good job of showing those parallels and while somebody who is in the Cannabis Camp is like what are you doing there are parallels here okay um what affects us is going to affect y’all so let’s let’s keep talking about this let’s get this to where it’s a normal conversation where nobody’s afraid to talk about it well said well said well folks uh as always I hope you found as much value in this conversation as I did once again before I go check out the conversations that we’ve had on this subject at the memo.com seex we get deep into tor’s past and we talked to so many other faces as I mentioned uh but if if if you were wondering you know deeper things about like how did her kids find out and all those things I asked her about that in in previous episodes so once again the memo.com sextory thank you so much and folks we’ll see you on the next episode