The Cole Memo

In this episode, I am once again joined by Torrey Lisa.

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[Music] welcome to the 13th episode in my series exploring licensed prostitution in America this Series has a specific focus on the legal system that exists within Nevada which allows sex workers and brothel to be licensed at a county level Nevada stands as the only state in the United States with such a framework in today’s episode I am honored to once again engage in a conversation with Tori Lisa to revisit tor’s earlier appearances in this series you can find the links to those episodes in the episode description you can also view all of the episodes that have been released to date at the memo.com seex once again that’s the memo.com seex today is January 3rd 2024 this episode was originally recorded sometime in June of 2023 enjoy the episode [Music] in this episode I reunite with Tori Lisa from a discreet location in Denver Colorado you might remember Tori from previous episodes and if you don’t I’d recommend diving into those conversations first the last time we spoke Tori had just entered Nevada’s Legal C sex industry today she’s sharing the story of why and how she left to fully appreciate the depth of our discussion consider listening to our earlier talks I’ve linked them in the episodes description enjoy the episode a night in America with Tory Lisa I think that’s how I’ll start it’s so cool to meet you in the flesh thank you you too I mean we have spent time together but it was virtual mhm and so and I never imagined we’d meet uh in this capacity I thought we’d meet in a different capacity that it’s I think synchronicity definitely kicked in on this one yeah what are the odds that both of us will be in the Denver region at the same time me doing my thing you doing your thing and then making it an actual in real life interview so yeah I just took the chance I was like on the off chance you’re here I’ve got the time might as well and I was like I got the hotel room hell yeah hell yeah so I I’m so excited it’s so funny I just texted my girlfriend well uh I’ll be uh spending my night with Tori Lisa and she knows who you are uh for folks that haven’t heard our other our our pre sorry our recent conversations first of all what the hell are you doing folks check them out they’re great conversations she tells us her story and maybe we’ll cover a little bit that ground today but yeah um please reintroduce yourself I am Tori Lisa and we we actually became acquainted with each other when you were doing your podcast series about the parallels of the Cannabis industry and the legal sex work industry um the first interview that we did I was at one of the um legal brothel outside of Reno in the Bunny Ranch Network I worked there for about 9 months and then I transferred to the Vegas market and worked at another one and actually became their Madam for a while there but then I decided to break out of that whole uh system if you will and because I was as a Madam I was like on the floor like 18 hours a day 7 days a week and before I even came to Nevada I was filming porn with a studio and I wanted to get back to that I wanted to do the photo shoot so I am a legal sex worker a porn star a verified porn star on PornHub um I model professionally so I specializing Kink fetish and erotica but now I am working independently and traveling so I kind of broke out of the legal brothel system and I’m still Towing the line legally um but I am still continuing as a very loud and proud sex worker so absolutely absolutely and I just have to say uh once again on air that I really appreciate your willingness to connect tonight no problem um I want to talk about all those things um it’s like where do we begin um why don’t we start where we um left off which is that you were at the alien cat house yep um this was before you became a Madam correct um tell me about you were really excited when when that came to be um tell me about like how that came to be and um what it was like you mentioned uh I actually really loved it there I really did but as with anything in sex work there’s always an underbelly MH okay so there’s pros and cons and some of the cons that were involved there um really became untenable for me and even as a Madam there’s still somebody higher up than me there’s always the owner there’s always you know government oversight and so on on not that I had any problem with the government oversight but it became so restrictive like being able to say go out to dinner with a client we couldn’t go offsite so like every single booking that I did had to be within the walls of that facility and so I like to go out to dinner and to spend time not feeling rushed and watching the clock and so on so um and then I didn’t have free time yeah and so it really I I was on site 247 365 I think in the month of November of last year I had left the facility a total of six hours the whole month wow and that was to go run errands to go run to the pharmacy to get a refill on my prescription and also to um pick up one of the girls that got stranded in Vegas one of the girls that worked there she locked the keys in her vehicle and the extra set was at the brothel so I drove to Vegas to go get her so that was my 6 hours of Freedom wow okay and that’s not freedom to me and so I am now working with six different Studios and and doing the things that I feel free doing sure like booking a client and going out to dinner and to go to a show or to do the fun things that Vegas has to offer it’s not legal in Vegas you have to go outside Vegas to get to a legal brothel but in Vegas is where the demand is right right so yeah and I if you saw me thinking it’s because I realized where where I should have began and and that is again another point of this episode is not only to give you the floor to talk about what you do but also to share how people can find you online oh yes okay so you can go to Tory lisa.com and um it’s t o r r y l ia.com and it will give you a menu of links that you can choose from some are very spicy and there’s kind of a hint it’s like things get really hot in here you know like I do have it kind of like here’s my adult content here’s where you can follow my my social media like Instagram and Twitter and and all that stuff I will say that it’s um pg-1 13ish on Instagram and I do have Facebook really locked down to um very just my closest friends and family um but as far as like my fan page on Facebook you can follow that I’ll update that but yeah if you go to Tory lisa.com um sometimes I get banned on certain sites like I actually got banned permanently um by Facebook and Instagram because it’s all owned by meta um I was targeted and they took my accounts down I’m back on there again I went in through the back door sure um but I try to keep it clean on those and then Twitter you’re going to see full on everything um and then of course my only fans in PornHub and all that stuff so yeah it’s interesting just a quick parallel before we get back to sex work uh Twitter is also very cannabis friendly so it’s interesting to hear it’s also very sex work friendly uh similarly Twitter or sorry Instagram and Facebook are not I’ve heard cannabis friendly they’re not cannabis friendly it doesn’t sound like they’re sex work cruds over there so they’re not sex work friendly either it’s like no no no no no no no not at all so um I could be fully covered fully clothed can the brothel have their Facebook pages or do they they end up losing them very frequently you know there are people out there that criticize sex work sure okay so if you capture the attention of somebody who’s like to hell with all sex workers they’re going to keep going after your accounts they’re going to report your accounts they’re going to report your your posts your reels like all of it right so we have learned how to tow the line but sometimes the reporting process is very unfair you know like Bots will take stuff down right if you trigger a bot to have something taken down then you have to appeal it and then you have to hope a human actually reviews it and so on I think the one that’s actually the most sensitive is Tik Tok interesting yeah now I’ve heard that too Tik Tok is is the most sensitive I’ve lost I think like one time I had like 30,000 followers on Tik Tok and it was gone the next day you know that type of thing um once it’s gone it’s gone mhm um it’s really hard to get a Tik Tok account back so I think I’ve gone through like six t Tik Tok accounts yeah um I’m really good at rebuilding from the ground up I’m actually um social media marketing branding all of that was my jam before I even came into the sexor world so I carried those skill sets and and actually it’s kind of kind of fun to start from the ground up because you can actually play with the algorithms that may have been polluted if you will um by not knowing how to like play with those algorithms and the algorithms change all the time so sometimes having a clean slate is the best way to go yeah so I’m good with that but when you go to Tory lisa.com if my Tik Tok account gets shut down I will post the new Tik Tok account so you can always find where I am on any platform at any given time through Tory lisa.com perfect perfect well now that we got that out of the way I I hope you respect me making sure to get that right at the top for folks that want to thank you to so they safeer work and not safer work MH go down whichever Rabbit Hole you want to go down yeah you’ve been warned there you go folks and uh yeah yeah you have been warned obviously this conversation is uh uh for adults uh so yeah uh well let’s so the freedom thing I want to get back to because this is kind of what we talked about before uh we got on air in this Freedom espousing country America land of the free it’s so hard and we have to tow so many different lines um before we get to the lines that you’re having to tow now I want to go back to uh the alien cat house was it like just because you said you were so busy on the floor that you weren’t able to like I mean you had to sleep right or to so there was still there was some drama mhm okay unfortunately I remember you told me quote [ __ ] went down [ __ ] went down I want to hear [ __ ] went down there was a mass walk out when Tori walked out other people walked out wow it was I in both cases when I left the first house I was in it was because it was a safety issue and to me we go into the legal brothel system to be safe right okay and so when you address it with management and you know the different layers um there’s favoritism that happens now at the time that I was at Sage Brush Ranch um I was pretty much training all the girls coming in there were other trainers but they were having me train the trainers okay so I was basically like the I want to say head trainer if you will I was constantly training because there’s a churn and Burn Right going on there um I was in an upgraded room and I had just kind of respect there the girls respected me management respecting me I I was a bridge between like what was going on on the floor and what was going on higher up and I was always trying to find that um cohesiveness if you will and so that allowed me inside information knowledge of what might be going on up here versus is down here I was kind of in the middle so there was a safety issue that happened um I mean in in all seriousness I could have called 911 and been rightful in doing it but I was still trying to handle it internally and say hey this is serious yeah um and they basically when I sat down with the people involved well a couple of girls uh had too much to drink and it was improper for them to over serve sure okay that’s a safety issue um but then they became aggressive and threatening and so on and even though I had nothing to do with it I was actually being targeted and I was being targeted because of the color of my skin and things like that so um at when all was said and done when when the manager finally came in at 7 the next morning um she was not taking me as seriously cuz I was texting her through the night um the shift manager that was on duty I was afraid she was going to have a stroke like she literally was so stressed out she had to take a few days off because it was so stressful with this event I left I left the property for my own safety and when she came back in when the manager came in in the morning I said okay I’m not coming out I had come back onto the property hoping to talk to her and um they were more concerned about the money that was made that night and I was like no no no we need to talk about this right the [ __ ] now right we need to talk about what happened we need to address this now and the two girls that were involved one didn’t book so well she wasn’t performing as far as her her numbers okay um my numbers were fine but the other girl actually had better numbers than me so what they did was they fired the one girl when you say better numbers does it mean like maybe they were like going into debt because they’re not dating in there that is correct so some girls will go into debt MH um and the the worst offender um was one of those girls and she it was she had done multiple tours it’s not like she was new there right she knew what was going on she knew what was going on and um just got a little big for her britches and decided to mess with the wrong girl now yes I left the facility just for my safety just to kind of um get things to calm down let them sober up basically you know um and we’ll talk about it in the morning but they weren’t taking it seriously and so the other girl that was involved she was a good Booker so there were no consequences really for her they fired the other girl in fact at that point that they fired her they locked me me and another girl in our rooms for our safety so our doors don’t have locks unless they’re locked from the outside I can’t lock a door from the inside but they said for your safety while she packs out we’re going to lock you in your room now I had already lost floor time that whole night like I could have been working and making money and booking people so I mean I was losing money um it was safety issues upon safety issues it was just ridiculous really if management had been on top of things if there had been some accountability and so on so I told them look this is not okay this can’t happen anymore not to me not to anybody else and so when I wanted to talk to the head person um I basically demanded it I said it’s one thing to talk to you but we need to talk higher up yeah so she came in and she sat down and she said um she started talking talking with me and I said you know I’m going to take a break because all of this is just not okay and I’m going to go do some photos shoots I’m going to take a road trip things like that and the other girl that was involved I said why aren’t you calling her in here I said I’m going to text her right now she needs to be part of this conversation she was targeted too it’s not just me it’s not about you appeasing me yeah it is you about you being accountable to all involved and making it right so I insist that the other girl come in because she was targeted so that the reassurances they were giving to me they could say to her face too yeah and what what ways just really quick I hope this keeps us on target but I’m just curious what other ways were that were you targeted I know you mentioned color your skin um well I mean they were they were going to you know um I was called you know they’re going to beat this white bitch’s ass and so on and I literally had nothing to do with it I think there was well I know there was jealousy going on because I had a really good retention rate with my clients so for example I had repeat clients one client came in eight days in a row booked with me eight days in a row wow okay he came into some money and he just booked with me eight days in a row he liked what he got everybody knew that the moment step walked in Tori Steven’s here for you again you know that kind of thing you know like people knew that I took really good care of my clients and the clients like I have one client that I have since seen after I left the brothel um he was like well how am I going to see you again I mean my regulars were like now what you left and I can’t come see you and I was like H don’t worry we’ll we’ll have more fun on the outside of these walls right yeah like I’m already familiar with you so I did see them independently after I left the system but one of those clients that I had met at stagebrush a lot of the people that I I booked at Sagebrush followed me like literally 8 hours down the road to Vegas to book with me at the new brothel that I was working at so I had a really good following I had good repeat clients they would just turn and burn through the clients they weren’t giving the the in-person experience the way I was to get those kind of getting them off getting them out correct so so they would see these clients coming back for just me they didn’t want to line up they didn’t want to look at the other girls and this sounds very egotistical but I’m very proud of the fact that I really care about my clients you know one of them is a motorcycle racer and he travels the motorcycle circuit he bought a motorcycle and named it after me wow you know like you know like I they could see that I was doing well MH because I did really well at what I do sure and so sometimes that creates jealousy um and because I also had maybe some extra privileges as a trainer and someone well it seems you would get criticized because women could be really catty they can be really that’s what I was going to say is that it seems like it’s like a high school right environment and it’s interesting because the day before this all went down I had a repeat client come in and the one girl that got fired was just a couple doors away now I’m not known to be quiet I think our listeners know sounds joking carried and um and I it was like at 10:00 in the morning booking and I was the only girl that booked that day it was a slow day and it was somebody that didn’t want to line up they just wanted to see me they were a repeat client and we were sitting out in the Parlor as we tend to do and kind of hanging out sometimes we play you know know Cards Against Humanity or whatever and long story short I’m just out there hanging out and a guy had come in and we’re all sitting around and he was talking to each of us and he was kind of going around and so dirty hustling is a no no um there’s many things that could happen so I waited until he addressed me so that I would not be accused of dirty hustling to interject in conversations so as he was going around really quick it’s like you’re stealing their guy correct correct and you know but the thing was is he kept coming back to me mhm and of course because he’s initiating I am going to reciprocate y but his attention was pointed more towards me because I’m very engaging and I was getting the conversation moving and and but at the same time I’m also a team player if I notice a guy is maybe missing out on talking to another girl cuz trust me every day that Stephen came in those eight days in a row I would say Stephen go talk to the other girls yeah like seriously because I don’t own these clients the house does technically yeah okay but I my theory is I wanted all of my clients to get to know the other girls cuz guess what then they’re going to book two girls me and another girl I want him to find another girl so we can have a threesome cuz I love threes sus it’s like the it’s more money it’s more fun it’s like it’s a win-win for everyone the client wins I win and the other girl wins okay so I’m always trying to upsell hey I’ve got this friend over here want you book both of us okay so I am the team player there so sometimes when those conversations are going on in the Parlor I will pull another girl in sure I will turn turn the conversation and pull somebody in because I don’t want that attention to go just to me because then that creates that tension yeah and everybody knows I am going to pull you in on parties and help you make money yeah it’s like the opposite of what you’re just talking about correct see I have an abundance mindset they have a scarcity mindset okay plain and simple plenty for all of us plenty plenty to go around everybody wins so they saw this repeat client come in it was a slow day I was the only one that booked Meanwhile we’re in the Parlor another guy comes in he’s just gauging which one he likes he’s intimidated by the lineup so he’d rather just engage in conversation and see who he connects with well he kept coming back to me and at that point I’m like okay let me pull somebody else in so I was like pointing to one of the girls and laughing about hey you should hear about blah blah blah and kind of like giving that attention equally mhm but the two girls involved were sitting off to my yeah my yeah my left and on a separate couch and they started making snide comments wow and right in front of the client which is completely unprofessional right they were antagonizing right in front of a client and I just looked at them and I said I’m not sure what you’re talking about but we have a client here like I was reminding them to be professional right okay there’s certain decorum that needs to be upheld and it’s they didn’t like me correcting them in how to behave sure and so I’m kind of like house Mom anyway and so they were like saying some very rude things at this point and I said you know what I am not here for this and I’m going to get up and walk away and we’ll have this conversation later but I’m I am not going to have you talk to me like this and especially in front of a client yeah especially in front of a client and I basically shut it shut it down got up walked away cuz I’m not going to do the drama yeah and and I’m not going to also sit there and let somebody be abusive verbally or anything no so I dismissed them yeah and that basically put them on this this let’s gang up on Tor they were really actually targeting another girl but they thought well while we’re at it let’s let’s you know go after Tori and I just wasn’t going to have it I I mean people who know me know nobody gets a free pass to be an [ __ ] nobody right I don’t care who you are whether it’s friends family I don’t care it doesn’t matter what line of work yes exactly like just cuz you work in the brothel doesn’t mean like I put I think about it like what if my mechanic came up he’s like man he [ __ ] this guy sucks at changing oil it’s like even if he does suck at changing oil like bro we’re all on the same team right now well they were were representing the same company they were really mad that I had booked that day and um another girl had said something about one of the girls music was too loud type thing and I’m get I had nothing to do with it but they’re like oh well you know porn star over here gets to be loud but we can’t play music and you know like they were they were trying triangulating me into this drama that I had nothing to do with and I was like whoa whoa whoa we’re not no this is a broel there are no quiet hours at a brothel I’m sorry yeah you know if you don’t like the music Turn you know go somewhere else literally remove yourself from the situation yeah nobody was forced to listen to anything you know so it was just unfortunately some of the backgrounds of people that come in they don’t have they don’t have the maturity you know especially if they’re younger they they might have had hard lives and they’ve really have to like um present themselves um for a lack of better wordss words you know very ghetto and and very like you know Thug Type behavior and there’s ways that you can resolve problems through communication and so on but they don’t exactly understand that so when I try to meet them with conversation and trying to see their side of things and what have you I I’m always one that can mitigate tension MH um in my marriage I was married to someone with with severe PTSD and disassociative episodes I’m very good at negotiating redirecting holding boundary yeah bringing things down just kind of deescalate things but some of these girls they want the fight they want the drama they want the the competition and the thing is is back in the day before I came into the brothel system when Dennis Hoff was alive and running the very brothel that I was in um he would say if you don’t have drama you’re not making money so it was a culture of drama because if there was competition among the girls it would create more bookings but actually I believe that’s actually a a it’s farce it’s a farce if the girls were working together such as me bringing uh another girl in to have a two girl party which is a higher rate schedule you know if you will it’s um higher rates for something like that for that type of experience um I believed that you get your profits because of the people but brl management owners and so on believe it’s profits before the people if that makes sense so like they would looked at the profits and not care about the people I cared about the people and created a collaborative team building type environment so that’s why it was promoted to Madam when I went to alien cat house the owner could see that I could make them more money with this unique to the industry approach and I’ve I’ve been in management my whole life you know I’ve been running my own businesses I’ve been in different Industries and so on so for me I think my management style actually was enhancing the benefit of the brothel but I needed them to get on board with that type of culture yes so when I went to alien cat house it’s a smaller house at at Sagebrush we could have upwards of 30 girls in the house at a time um and like they like even when it was slow they would be bringing brand new girls in for me to train and I’m going what are you doing why are you bringing girls in we’re only getting like two or three Bells a day like in the dead of winter like people are not coming in it’s slow I’m like why and then it dawned on me one day I was like they’re generating room and board right the house makes money off of every room that’s filled with a girl whether the girl books or not right which goes back to the whole they were basically creating debt for these girls right they were in debt to the house so every booking they got was going straight to the house to cover their debt right and some some girls left in debt you know and and to me that’s just unconscionable to like literally generate an income stream off the room and board off the backs of girls who are trying to compete with 15 20 other girls and you’ve only got two or three guys coming in but then I had my repeat clients so I was fine because my repeat clients were coming in but the girls would see them coming in from me and go well what about us and it’s like but I have a really good client base because I take care of my clients I don’t churn and burn them yeah that’s complex I want to get back I want to get to your meeting um it’s just crazy to hear this though from like another person’s perspective that this culture is the way that it is and would you agree that how I described it as kind of like high schooles oh yeah it’s it’s college dorm I’m going to say college maybe High School mentality but it is a college dorm environment okay it is freefor all sometimes and depending on who’s on duty um it will be either well-managed and well controlled or not yeah and there were some people that could not manage [ __ ] I mean there was one guy we had a a guy come in um big Russian dude he was lit okay and he became abusive and it was a couple doors down from me and I was about to jump in because when one girl’s having a problem we all go running you don’t want a dozen hoes and stilettos coming after you I trust trust me okay but management is the overriding authority and she came in and she was sitting there negotiating not DS escalating anything um not putting a stop to any of it and the poor girl was like I need my room back you need to get him out of my room and quit and and and meanwhile the shift manager on duty is like well would Jesus approve of you speaking like that when he was just being so nasty it’s like no sir shut your mouth get the [ __ ] out or I’m calling the police is really what the conversation should have been but what would Jesus say oh my God I’m sitting in my doorway going what the [ __ ] is she doing like she’s supposed to be getting this man out not talking about the morals of what was coming out of his mouth you know what I’m saying like they need to have people who are trained to deescalate trained to mitigate train to go hey popo you need to come down here right right now this guy needs to go this was like a security guy they had hired we don’t we we had surveillance okay but the shift manager is the security okay understand unless the girls handle it and at one point I had to kick somebody out and the next day out of my room and the next day they were like well maybe that was his Kink I was like do not educate me on Kink oh so that’s what I was trying to he’s a client okay so the the situation with the big Russian yeah um for example the the shift manager it was it was somebody else’s client okay I was witnessed to it I heard it and I’m like questioning why are you having this whole what would Jesus think if I’m like no no no no no the [ __ ] out it’s it’s a safety issue right this is a safety issue not just for the girl that that that is with him in that room but for every body okay I was only two doors down that’s why I heard it so fast and was like somebody grab sassy we got a problem you know like I am echoing it down the hallways and we’re all running you know um and the thing is is like if you can’t manage a dozen girls then you have no business filling these rooms with a dozen girls yeah if because some of them there one girl ODed um another girl like like it just just went psycho on us like they’re bringing in people that may pass the background checks and finger printing and FBI stuff and and and get their shares card but holy [ __ ] they are a hot mess Express yeah and they’re antagonistic and they’ll they’ll create drama and and be confrontational and it’s like that’s not good for the house and I was the one that was like I’d pull somebody’s side hey you you see a little agitated today what’s going on and I will like talk to them and and you know help them kind of like feel good about themselves and what have you I was like the nurturer whereas other girls were like bring it you know and and for me I’m just like I’m very compassionate and stuff it’s not to say my way is the only way or the right way it’s this my way was different but it created peace and balance and harmony for those that wanted to participate in it and and a lot of the girls came to me as like a mother figure they’re like they could trust me I would keep what was going on in their life private and they could say my dad’s battling cancer and I’m really really having a hard time right now and I just need somebody to talk to so like I was a sounding board for working out life’s problems people would come to me for advice um you know for life back home um and so on so like people liked me but the girls didn’t especially didn’t like me because people liked me yeah and so they would try to like you know it’s like an episode of Survivor like they’ll try to pit people against you and stir up a rumor and so on I was like there was so much paying attention like I’m really good at reading a whole room I I know everything that’s going on with everyone simultaneously you know like I can do that um so I can tell when somebody’s off I can tell when somebody’s tone of voice is starting to go in a different direction it’s like oh okay uh you know like I see it coming and and I think you know my marriage kind of prepped me for a lot of that you know always like ready for the battle kind of thing but the thing is is I was very proud of what I did I loved what I did and it was really heartbreaking for me to make the decision to go to a different profile yeah because I felt like I was abandoning not only my clients but the girls and so on like like was Sanctuary people would like if anybody needed to find somebody they knew to go to my room mhm cuz usually they were in my room they would come to my room Tori I need to talk to you you know and so my room was kind of like that safe space um and they also I would teach them things that might help them make more money like I wanted them to do well yeah whereas other girls were like no if she’s making money then I’m making less money and so I need to sabotage her ability to make money yeah so I can get that money it’s just that that whole scarcity thing and me I’m like hey guess what guys if we work together on this I think all of us can make more money what do you think and they were like that’s [ __ ] brilliant yeah and you know and so some of the girls were on board with that others they were just not emotionally invested in it like I was and they’re like whatever my tour is over in 3 days I don’t care I’m out of here you know so they they didn’t need yeah to to join in on anything so when I went to to alien cat house that was my goal yeah and that’s why they were like hey um this is essentially you’re going to run 80% of this brothel and you get to call the shots on who comes in and so on but unfortunately there’s a reward system amongst management so shift managers um get a percentage of what bookings happen on their shift and so there’s internal stuff going on there and one particular person would really had her eye on being able to run the whole show and when I got the promotion it kind of shattered that and so she thought fine then I’m going to do everything I can to sabotage Tori’s ability to do what she needs to do and because the owner gave her buying privileges like I wanted to buy things and upgrade things in the brothel and he would say okay go give it to you know the office manager and she’ll order it but then she’d forget and then she’d go back and go well I found found one cheaper and then he and then I’d say Hey where’s this item I asked to be ordered oh well um we decided to order something different no there is a reason why I wanted that specific thing there is a reason why I do what I do and if you have a question you can come to me and I can explain why it needs to be this particular thing and not some knockof right you know um and processes need to be done a c way and safety needs to be handled a certain way so like then it became oh well let’s question tor’s authority let’s undermine it let’s you know let let me make her look bad which was kind of silly because I still I always land on my feet you know like the truth always comes out and I was really good at documenting things um and I’d say oh no no that’s not actually what was said or done or whatever and here’s my proof and I would like create Paper Trails and oh Lord c c yes so long story short um I could not impress upon the owner enough that that particular problem staff member was creating safety issues for us and the last party that I did before I walked how packed out and walked out and then people followed me and walked out they they had nobody there like it was they had a couple new girls coming in but they hadn’t been cleared yet so basically they were shut down closed for business when I walked out that is how serious I was I was just like no um she put all of us at risk but then she put me in particular at risk with a particular client the client wasn’t the problem the situation was the problem yeah and so she was informed of things and chose not to tell me about them and I said that’s it I’m done done I am not going to let other people have control over my safety um and as precarious as independent work is because the brothel are supposed to create that safety net for you um I am finding that I have the freedom and the power to create my own safety and sanctuary and I’m pretty good at it so I feel safer doing independent work than I do inside of brothel where certain people can manipulate situations or create safety issues that I may not be aware of or if I am aware of it I have no authority to to address it and I just I’m spinning my wheels trying to get people to to understand that over serving a girl who’s aggressive is not a good idea yeah um so I wanted to get back to your meeting that that you had and maybe like how it went um but and I do have a question just about the general culture that you just described that it sounds like you’re glad to be out of but I wanted to ask like and maybe this will that’ll this will actually probably help us segue to that culture question and then we can wrap back around to the meeting um what are some of the things like this person would do when they get aggressive I was it just threats or because I’ve heard of like you mentioned sabotage I’ve heard of them like putting bleach in people’s shampoo to their hair up to sabotage like I winess I didn’t witness that but um so we’re stealing you know oh yeah stealing cuz our doors don’t lock and they paid us in cash where are we going to put that cash right somebody always had money coming up missing so for me even though it it’s interesting cuz like we had 247 drivers mhm okay and I’m just going to make sure the cameras are still rolling problem we had 247 drivers so it would cost me $12 to uh do a run you know I had to pay for the ride um but we would have our own staff as our drivers so we had chauffers and so on I would pay the $12 to go to town you know and to go deposit my money to get it offsite mhm but other girls would go why would I spend $12 every day day to go make deposits well then they were losing thousands of dollars in theft and it’s like why would you not spend $12 to go deposit your money right like so what if I’m spending $112 to go deposit my money um which then led me to okay I need my own car cuz I would I legitimately was you described how they with nickel and dime and when you add it all up at the end of the month you’re like damn I could have made a car payment with with all these runs with the driver um so I actually bought a second car in Nevada cuz I had left my car in Colorado because I had drivers I’m was going to SK this closer to you sorry no problem no you’re you’re okay um so like you don’t have to you can still talk I’m good yeah all right yay yeah I want to keep you comfortable so long story short was like okay I’m I love the fact that I have a driver in fact um I didn’t even have to leave on site with one of the drivers I could give him the money and go please go deposit this for me I wouldn’t even have to leave the floor okay he was trustworthy okay and he so that was nice that was a nice benefit but I mean if a new guy was hired I was not going to hand him a bunch of money and go hey go make this deposit for me you know um it’s just I knew who to trust and who I couldn’t trust mhm in inside those walls and and yeah there sabotage can happen through the rumor mill um it could happen with you know people making up lies and fabricating things and so on I liked that there was surveillance within the brothel not inside the rooms themselves there was audio like they could listen in sure if any wrongdoing was going on they’d basically have to catch you in the ACT but long story short they could hear what was going on in the rooms they couldn’t see what was going on in the rooms so um you had to be careful you had to watch your back you had to like cuz somebody could jump you one of the girls I mean they they they will fight they will take a pool stick and break it over you you know like if they’re that pissed and if they’ve got enough alcohol in them um and tensions do Run High when somebody’s not booking well so when a girl books well she becomes a Target right it’s very competitive and that culture going back to the Dennis Hoff days was if there isn’t drama you’re not making money he felt that pitting the girls against each other or stirring things up if it if it got too calm and and and honestly um alien cat house used to be owned by Dennis Hoff the owner had shared with me the new owner you know he had bought it right before Dennis passed away shared with me the culture and was in agreement with me at least initially that my way actually would make more money yeah um he ended up screwing me over there’s that um I am at this point pretty pissed well we got to get to that we’ll get pretty pissed but yeah owners management and the girls you never know who to trust mhm and there will always be some sort of conflict yeah because the culture was baked into the system primarily by Dennis Hoff but other owners yeah okay they are not exempt from it but he was Notorious for declaring this and saying if it is too calm you need to stir [ __ ] up and favoritism is definitely a thing and comp competitiveness amongst the shift managers cuz they want that bonus they they they they will dirty Hustle the other managers to get bookings on their shift and and manipulate the girls and so on like pressure on they play into it oh yeah they I mean even higher ups they would pull me in and they were like call some of your regulars we we’re $300 away from our goal for the day m call one of your regulars and I’m like it’s 2:00 in the [ __ ] morning seriously I’m sure some of them are going to be up you want me to bust my ass so you make your numbers right no I meant did uh any shift managers play into the uh the manipulation the like oh this this person said this about you oh God all the time oh yes oh [ __ ] yes it was pretty bad and is that can I I wanted to ask too is that kind of how it work like Tori said you’re a [ __ ] is that what they do or oh like as simple as that give me some yeah it could be that or they would sabotage you through passive aggressive [ __ ] okay let me tell you this story so I had a booking it was a kink party it was a high dollar party and I had um booked the guy negotiated everything money was exchanged we go back to the room and this particular shift manager at Sagebrush that did not like me who I have referenced before um because I would always challenge her I would stand up to her and go no that’s not okay like I would challenge her decision making and soone going no no no no no so this particular day um she my room and another room were on one particular thermostat down that hallway it was I can already see where the problems come yep it was June and they were having troubles with the air conditioning so my room was just finally coming up to temperature with the air conditioning I was like thank God right well about 15 minutes into this Kink party heat is coming through my vents oh no I had to complete that party and we were both like it was a safety issue for the client because it was so sweltering hot I actually had to stop the party and stop time to go up to the front office and say somebody needs to check the thermostat and of course the shift man’s like oh no I don’t know there’s nothing wrong so I grabbed the media guy who had a key and I said do me a favor go check that [ __ ] thermostat cuz she’s telling me it’s fine and it’s not and my I got a guy sweltering in there and I’m like grabbing bottled waters to rehydrate him this is a kink party but it’s not that kind of Kink party right it was like it was going sideways real quick there was a lot of sweat involved you know H yeah but he went and checked because she didn’t think that I would find somebody with a key and address it on the freaking spot and catch her in the ACT but she cranked the thermostat up to over a hundred and had the heat on in my room in the summer in Nevada she was sabotaging my party wow but she put my health at risk and my client’s Health at risk and I go to management and go mm this is manipulation this is not okay it was a safe issue again it’s like all these little things it’s like I told the owner of alien I was like have you ever heard of the term death by a thousand paper cuts Death By A Thousand Cuts right okay um some of those managers will like one holy [ __ ] she got busted so bad and that was that was literally the day she got fired was the day I was promoted Madam it was on October 12th of of last year and we had what’s called tea party every brothel has some form of tea party it’s like weekly or bi-weekly type thing and um the owner came to me and said I’m going to promote you and I’m going to fire her you can’t say a word but this is what’s going on and that’s going to happen during the Tea Party during the tea party holy [ __ ] [ __ ] right okay he was like you decide whether you want to be called Madam or whatever title you want but you’re basically going to be running it she’s out and what happened was was she didn’t want one of the girls to work there anymore mhm I don’t know why but she wanted her gone so she would like say antagonistic things and passive aggressive things and just create this tension and but it was way worse than even what we thought um what she was doing was when a client would call to book with say me or my friend Paige or ever client would say I’d like to book a party I want to pay the deposit well what this manager was doing was she’d say oh well she’s not available that day why don’t you book with so and so well so and so was her pet girl and I think they had some sort of drug deals going on between them so she was funneling our clients but those clients were like hey they you know she didn’t she wasn’t smart the clients would come back to like me or the other girls and go hey I called today to make a deposit and they said you weren’t going to be available is that true so we’d catch them in the LIE right okay so the owner had a team of like seven people over the course of 40 straight hours eight people reviewing every camera every audio every email literally did an audit of the entire month and he discovered that I had lost a lot of bookings because this particular manager had control over sending people and then we could hear somebody at the door like we there’s a doorbell system now at Sage Brush they had um announcements they say Company ladies and it would come across the whole brothel no matter what time of day it was well at s at at alien somebody would ring the initial doorbell and then the shift manager would go and field whether or not they’re here just for the bar because there was a bar there sometimes they just come in for a drink and they don’t want to line up they don’t want to book a girl and that’s fine they can come in and do that so they would not announce for any lineups under those circumstances but then if they wanted to line up then they would do a chime system for us to within 30 seconds to be lined up mhm in The Parlor and we would hear the doorbell cuz I was close enough to the front parlor I was literally right off the Parlor and I could hear the doorbell but there would be no announcements but then I would poke my head out but there’s nobody at the door at at the bar and I’m like I could have sworn I just heard the Bell so I’d say did I hear the bell and they’re like oh yeah they wanted to use the restroom okay no that didn’t make sense cuz there’s the Travel Center next door like what you know so I started questioning it and then like my friend Paige was further down the hall and she couldn’t hear it as much but she could see people coming she could see the parking lot she’s like somebody just pulled up but I haven’t heard a bell she’s texting me yeah she’s like I saw somebody but I didn’t hear a bell and then I would come out and like check and see what’s going on what happened was somebody would come to the door and instead of doing lineup she’d say oh well the only person we have here is this favorite girl of hers that she was funneling so she basically was would call into the girl room say there’s somebody here to see you even though he wasn’t there to see her specifically right and would tell the guy I only have one girl on duty and basically we’re all in our rooms not seeing that she’s just sending people back to this one girl and so that got uncovered there was just so much [ __ ] and I was pretty furious and I told the owner I was like this isn’t going to happen under my watch and so like I was given the whole front office like I had the key to my own office and and so on well we were undergoing renovation so one of the shift managers decided to use my office as storage area and I’m like what’s going on why is my office full of [ __ ] mhm well we needed it for storage okay well what’s the plan to clear it because I’m filming a YouTube channel I need to be able to do this and she would question everything I did and I went back to the own and said she needs to cut stop questioning me cuz if you have entrusted me to do these things I need the freedom to do it without her interfering and so on well then she would turn around and relay a totally different scenario about whatever conversation I had with her and so um she would get confrontational with me and I would go oh no Dee I am not having this conversation with you today not here not now not with people on the floor mhm kind of the same thing I had to do at Sage Brush there are clients here you don’t act that way you know and so um it got down to the wire for me to film and stuff and I was like dee do you need me to help you clear that out because she had like painting supplies and all kinds of stuff and and I finally went to the owner I said I need that office cleared today and if she is going to be interfering then you need to come in he cleared my office out he came in and cleared my office out cuz he was pretty much done with with the shenanigans you know he was like office is cleared you’re good to go what else do you need you know like he was supportive of me but he was still entertaining these Shenanigans I was like you need to [ __ ] fire her MH you know um but that’s his call I I didn’t managed the staff mhm he did I managed the girls and the operations within it it so my hands were tied and I went to him and I was like look you literally are giving me this job but tying both hands behind my back so either you want me to do this job or you don’t mhm and you know this is what I need and I’m just very assertive you know in in making things right or making it better and um I don’t think he was used to that I was always professional but I I went to him and he was like um she was like telling him things that never happened I said cheuck the cameras check the Audio I got nothing to hide that never happened well one day I had gone to her she had come in in the morning and I said hey last night um one of the girls we had clients at the pool table and one of the walls has nothing but mirrors big huge panels of mirrors and the girl was kind of hanging out and talking to the guys well she leaned against the mirror and it shifted and I said whoa whoa whoa whoa I was like kitty pull forward pull forward like you step away from that mirror cuz luckily I heard it and kind of saw and um I said this is a safety issue if that mirror comes off that wall people are going to get sliced and diced okay and we had clients on the floor and I so the next morning I was like this needs to be secured today uh whether we have to call a maintenance crew to come in and do it whether it needs to be re well this person said no no it’s fine I’m like no it’s not fine and I was going to she knew I was going to follow up with the owner okay and so um I go back to my room well what happened was she texted the owner but accidentally sent what she said to me so she was trying to send it to the the owner of the alien she meant to send it to the owner of alien and completely misaligned the entire situation and made it look like I was somehow causing a problem she’s like Tory won’t tell me who it who did it but one of the girls broke the mirror it wasn’t even close to what what I had said to her was hey this needs to be taken care of right I guess it sh she she made it look like the girl damaged the mirror and that I was keeping a secret about who did it right even though I was like hey this mirror is a problem and I’m concerned for the girls and our clients and we need to secure this today um call maintenance to come in and get this done today yeah I love she it like that but she sent it to me the little [ __ ] thought she was being smart and I just laughed I was like I knew she was doing that yeah but now I had the proof so I’d go to the owner and go listen she is misrepresenting conversations and so on so at this point um between the last girl that got F the last manager that got fired for all of the shenanigans and stuff funneling people to one particular girl and then this stuff going on I said you know you don’t have a problem with what’s going on the floor you have a management problem and that’s on you so so um we need to figure this out because all my work is going to be nothing if these shift managers uh get to go Rogue yeah and and so um so she he called her in for meeting and she me you know so then he called me in and I was like why don’t you like Dee I said I like her just fine I just have issues with safety stuff and you know like undermining my authority and like creating rules that literally like she made a rule that we needed during a bar hustle like she wanted to change how the bar hustle was done and then she um and I was like but that’s a dirty hustle you can’t do that like like she knew nothing she’d never been a sex worker but she thought she knew is the bar hustle how you come up and hit on guys and kind of try to get a client yes and she wanted to change the whole way we did it and I was like no I get to decide and this is how it’s done and what you are proposing is actually a dirty Hustle but then she somehow convinced the owner well let’s try it her way I was like Jesus Christ huge issue cuz like you said you were given the authority over the sex worker or the workers and how it all and I said like we were in tea party one time this is the the the one did hated that I had an office because it was right across from the cashier’s window and I could hear what was going on if my door was open and I don’t think she liked that I could right monitor what was going on so like her sabotaging the you know putting all the painting supplies and stuff so I couldn’t use my office appropriately and what have you um there was okay so we were having tea party and doctoring is done on site and what doctoring is is every week we get tested and they have a a state approved provider that comes on site and so we were using the one of the massage rooms that had a massage table and basically that was our medical table that we had our pelvic exams done and everything and we’re in tea party and it was during the renovations and so on and I was like no you’re not filling my office up with storage we’re not doing that again and they were talking about moving the exam table into another room and um I was like no that’s not going to work because the room you’re trying to move it into was basically the BDSM room which I was remodeling mhm and another sabotage so you know I said technically it can be used in there um but we can’t doctor in the BDSM room cuz it’s too dark and um the you know gay who did our blood work and stuff was having a hard enough time seeing our veins in the massage room to draw our blood and so on that some girls were so afraid of Gail in the needle and not being able to see our veins that they would literally drive to Vegas just to have their blood work done in a well-lit facility yeah okay and I was like we cannot put it into this dark room to do doctoring in there and they were like well then let’s put it in tor’s office right I was like seriously so we were trying as sex workers to explain the logic of why that can’t be done in any other space why that exam table needed to stay in that space and she wanted to take the table out to make more room to generate room and board to put one more girl in that makes sense okay so I saw where this was going it was to make money off the room and board by creating a party room making it into one of the girls’ rooms um and not make it a massage room for all the girls to use so um one thing led to another and so Dee bless her sweet heart um was like oh well then we’ll just have Gail come into each of your rooms to do the blood work and which you know you have to carry all the like it’s not a sanitary like H and then at one point and we’re all in the room kind of talking and she was like well I don’t understand why you even need the table for doctoring do you not understand the test we have to do and I me and another girl like our Jaws dropped because she literally admitted she doesn’t even know what happens behind that door when we’re doctoring yeah can I just be graic I have this for doctoring um let me tell you what okay one of my favorite people in the whole wide world oh my God so River she’s actually a friend of mine in real life and we had a conversation about going to Nevada so she and I worked at different brothel but she had come to work at the brothel when I became Madam and to give it a tour so she’s sitting like off to the side in a different chair and she literally we all looked at each other like the woman in charge of our paperwork doesn’t even know that pelvic exams are happening like how does a woman get into her mid-30s and not have a gynecological pelvic exam in her entire life let alone know that inside of brothel we do that every week so literally River scoots down her chair legs out she’s got long legs for days and her legs went up she goes because we have to do this like she gave a demo I about had my soda go out my nose I laughed so hard and I went to the owner I said listen when you hire people that know nothing about sex work or let alone female anatomy and what goes on behind closed doors for our doctoring and stuff I said I’m alarmed yeah I am very alarmed that you have somebody in char charge who knows nothing yeah about what we do why we do it how we do it uh what is involved in that but you’re going to put them in charge yeah and and I I was just stunned I mean this was just leading up to my final like that’s it way too many safety issues not on my watch I’m not going to have my name attached to safety issues it is an ongoing problem it was an ongoing problem at the last house I I was at I didn’t my hands were a bit tied cuz I wasn’t in a managerial position there I had training Privileges and so on but when I went to alien cat house I got to call the shots but yet the owner didn’t understand that when you’ve got somebody who is literally incapable of understanding what we do and what goes into it and didn’t even understand the fundamentals I just said this is this is not okay yeah like you either need to put me fully in charge and not give her the authority to undermine or override or anything or I’m just spinning my wheels here mhm and I’m not here to spin my wheels so he shorted me out of three months of pay he pulled a fast one on me yep yep yep yep um I’m pretty pissed about it and he also um had some ethics issues I’ll just leave it at that um but he he liked particular girls and um yeah would pursue them interesting and would it be the similar to what I’ve heard about Dennis Hoff where he would expect uh it’s it for free and not on my watch no you are not doing that you are not exploiting these girls period And if they tell you no and then you make their life miserable because because they told you no but you’re going to Gaslight me and say oh no no that never happened but then I actually get proof that it’s happening and you gaslighted me the whole time because I said this is not okay no I’m not going to have somebody gaslighting me and say oh no I never did that and then find out later they really did just uh gener or uh generically what are we talking here to like this like come over owners like to get their dicks wet but like do I come over and say like how does how does you know do I say something really inappropriate like how did it go down so some of the girls that had been there before me said hey you need to know that the owner uh likes to do this this and this totally inappropriate stuff and I would go back to the owner and say hey can you get do you mind what what are cuz we’re talking oh you know there is it like he like [ __ ] or what there are certain things that he would cater to certain girls to favoritism but it was like a reciprocity thing basically okay so like I get you more money and yeah there he would it was unfortunately and I actually was becoming a bit uneasy with him in private like I didn’t put myself in a position to be behind closed doors because not only do you have to be good you have to look good so if we had meetings the door was open yeah or I insisted on having a third party sit in on that meeting I was never alone with him because I didn’t want impropriety to be accused of me even if no impropriety happened right so like me being careful like I am all about like um not only do you have to be good you have to look good like I am not going to participate in impropriety and so I was trying to get across to him that like um if the illusion of impropriety is feeding the rumor mill stop putting yourself in a position for impropriety and he’s like oh well I just went into a room to fix the TV and now you know they’re just you know just ignore it it never happened and so on I found out it was happening and uh um could prove it let’s just put it that way I could prove it it and when I said under no circumstances am I going to have my name my reputation um in this situation I could be colluding with you in this right and I won’t even have a meeting with you behind closed doors in private because of the appearance of impropriety so why would I just turn a blind eye to actual impropriety that’s not okay you know so he would say things in tea parties that were inappropriate and he’d say them to me and I’d look at him and say something back and like can you give me an example um he he was very flirty very like improper you know and like the tits on that one or something like that no he wouldn’t be rude crude okay but he would direct things at me and he would like you know he’d be watching me and stuff and I’m I’m talking or whatever and and so at one point like one day I was like okay I’m done talking now you know like pass the Baton somebody else can talk and I had been gone I had like taken a break and um had been off for a few days and I was like um I bet y’all miss me I was like making a joke about you know because I’m a very talkative person you know I was like I bet y’all miss me and he was like you have no idea how much we miss you when you’re gone some of us miss you more than others I’m like ew cringe you know what I’m saying like no and it was just but then other times he was just perfectly proper but another time I had gone next door to the Travel Center to go buy a soda and some chips and stuff we can go we can go and grab stuff next door and we just have to let people know when we’re going offsite for our safety so um this particular day I was wearing cow pajamas like a big onesie cow ears and everything and I’d gone next door because it’s like I can just throw that on over my lingerie and not have to change entire outfit so like that was like my cover up but I would go over in this this um um outfit and I was standing at the register and he had an office at the travel center and I don’t know what he was on that day but like he came up behind me and was like you know like up on my neck and like try to try to scare me or just startle me or whatever and I don’t have a startle reflex I was married to a next snip like a sniper like I don’t jump I’m not flighty and I was like what the [ __ ] and the girls that were at the register we like oh my God we have never seen him act like that and I was just like I felt uncomfortable cuz like that was just too uh like it just no and so then I’m standing in front of people going what do they have going on you know what I’m saying like and they’re like we’ve never seen him like that he he really likes you I’ve never seen him so playful I’m like I neither and I would say neither have I like whatever he’s on you know he was out of character that day but he do it in front of people um which in some ways was covered my ass but it also was like making me look inappropriate so when we would have meetings I I actually I shouldn’t say this but I actually started recording them just to see ya yeah uh because he would say something to me but then turn around and gasl say no I never said that yeah maybe we can look into it I’m sure it’s legal in Nevada though legal in Most states no it’s legal well I mean they do it in the they do it in the broth yes they’re already recording I’m just enhancing it but here’s the interesting thing so I was years ago studying to go to law school um I know about protecting myself and my rights and so on there are I think at this point unless laws have changed since I last looked there was 12 states that are two party states where both both parties need to know that recording is happening but because the president has already been set that they’re already recording in there but here’s the thing um the American Disabilities Act the Ada offers protections for enhanced note taking yeah which includes recordings yeah so I fall under that category I have ADHD if I want to record something just so I can recall for memory or to to make sure I got all the details my ex-husband Had a Brain Injury so we would record sometimes just to make sure that he was able to get all the details and not miss things so um I had already thoroughly researched recording and that’s a federal law that overrides any State enhanced note taking yeah so um much like you know me working independently I tow the line um but my fall back is if I’m recording porn it’s legal in all 50 states so a federal law protecting all 50 states overrides a state law and so I recorded m i created Paper Trails and emails and I did timestamps I documented timestamps I would like take my phone and when something would happen I would jot down the time and the location of something that happened you should see how many notes I have with conflicts that happened or things that went down that needed to be reviewed on the camera I would you know I would email them and say hey this just went down about 15 minutes ago check the Parlor um cameras at 2:52 p.m. um this manager acted completely inappropriately like I was the eyes and ears when he wasn’t there so that he could go look at the cameras and decide you know what the truth was but but yeah I covered my ass similarly um and I did that with certain girls um because there was no surveillance inside the room sometimes the girls will um come into your room under one pretense but then it would turn into some sort of antagonistic thing so I wouldn’t meet the girls in my room without a door open or or whatever there was always some sort of witness if you will yeah um to to cover my ass um because I couldn’t always count on management um for all I knew the cameras weren’t working or whatever you know what I’m saying like sometimes the cameras weren’t working the the thing at Sagebrush I was like look at the cameras and they’re like we can’t I was like I specifically had this conversation at the cashier window and you’re telling me even the cashier window wasn’t under surveillance what the [ __ ] right that’s where money is exchanged like don’t tell me cameras weren’t working either you don’t want the evidence to be seen or you never got the evidence to begin with so which is it right so yeah I challenged a lot of the things that unfortunately happened but also understand like my heart is still in the work it’s in serving the clients I hold some of my greatest friendships with these girls that that I worked with I love them I I still keep in touch with them um I have huge respect for we were going to meet up with one that you that we’ve sorry that I’ve interviewed yeah that’s yeah um May I think oh yeah she and I are best friends um we have a we have a funny story about I’m her legal guardian like when she had surgery um out you know she went on on off tour and I went to Colorado to take care of her after this surgery MH um we were roommates at one point but we knew each other in Colorado before going out to um uh Nevada so like yeah she’s like one of my best friends in the whole wide world they did her dirty she came in uh during a slow season and she was there for like two weeks and it was too slow and they had too many girls and there was not enough quote unquote to go around she still booked in my opinion she actually booked better than I did that particular week um she booked better than I did but they waited until she had packed out put some of her stuff on site in storage she hopped on a plane went home then they texted her to say don’t bother coming back your numbers aren’t good enough now they could have told her so she could have packed her things differently and brought all her belongings home but when they did her dirty was when she said okay well what about my stuff can you give my stuff to Tori they would not let me take her stuff even with her in instructing them to let me have possession of her belongings so those belongings are gone lost she would have to literally go from another state and fly in to get her stuff that she could have just as well packed in an extra suitcase or something um they won’t give it back they won’t give it to me they won’t give it to her she physically has to come there to get it that’s [ __ ] that is absolute [ __ ] and just if your numbers aren’t good the numbers are because traffic was bad not because the girl wasn’t booking mhm my numbers were worse that particular week happened to be a slow week for me too but she booked maybe one or two more parties than I did so she technically booked better than I did but they still let her go and I told them I was like what you did to May was not okay yeah that’s my friend and if you can’t give me her stuff that she has instructed you in writing verbally and in writing and you’re refusing to give it you’re just being an [ __ ] you’re being malicious and this is retribution and it’s not okay and that was you know around the time that I was like I’m done I’m out of here and I went I took a break I packed out some of my stuff left it there yeah um they made me go physically go get it you know that type of thing which I plan to do anyway sure but when I got there even though I had not done them wrong I had not done them dirty I had always acted professionally I actually quietly took my break um and then that’s when that’s another story well when I went to go get it they would not look me in the eye in fact they weren’t even going to let me go inside the threshold of the brothel to get my stuff MH um I showed up we rang the bell and they wouldn’t even let us inside to get our stuff they they were like rolling it out I said listen I have to use the restroom I literally drove eight hours to get here to get my stuff I need to pee are you telling me I can’t come on site and they were like well let’s go ask head boss and head boss was like yeah she can come in you know like it was the lower level ones that were like no we’re not even going to let them come in we’re just going to we’re going to see if that just creates a confrontation because we would love nothing more than to assert our power and authority and I was like let me pee right right like why do you got to be Petty seriously so it’s just like I had never done anything in fact I had saved their skin so many times um like that one particular shift manager one day she’s like I’m going to miss my bonus if I don’t make you know if we don’t book another $100 so I was like I just took $100 out of my pocket I said let’s just report this as a tip so she can make her bonus which actually I had to share that tip 50% with like I literally paid $50 so she can make her bonus yeah I mean I would do things like that it’s like I could see it really matters to her it’s going to make a difference for her she was caring for an elderly parent I was like of course I mean 50 bucks to me no big deal but she was also my same age and she’d make snide comments cuz she made an hourly rage plus bonuses but I was making thousands an hour in some cases Mage what was that she was the same age as I oh same age I misheard you yeah same age she and I were the same age age and she was like well must be nice to make that kind of money I can’t I can’t make that money at this age but I don’t know how you’re doing it you know well you’re looking a little rough honey and that might be why but still you good on time mhm cool cool I’m totally fine um I was going to ask um so you mentioned uh and we don’t have to like get like in too into specifics or whatever but I I was just curious as we I feel like this is a good way to put a bow on that that one story you were telling about your frustrations in the alien cat house uhhuh um I’m I’m guessing he didn’t respond well to you being what I would say I think your communication style is direct very and you know what’s funny is as a um like as a man talking to other men I I have an issue with being very direct because when I’ve been really direct with males in my past like um like a coach or like a a figure that’s like raising you um they like get in your [ __ ] face and like you going to talk like that to me and so um from a that’s from a male’s perspective though right so for me yeah um I am direct but I also articulate things I explain hold on a second no problem happens take that over from I’ll take it from the top here in a minute yeah no problem so um so you were I was asking you about being direct and in that final meeting um tell me tell me if you can just touch on maybe how people responded to you being direct I feel like you’re very a direct communicator but then also Let’s uh talk about how that last meeting went and then I think we can start to maybe wrap up with some big picture ideas well the last meeting actually was a few weeks before I walked out okay okay understood so the last meeting was why don’t you like de and I was like I like her is fine but I have some issues with her performance and decision making and you know she’s mean girl and it’s unnecessary and uncalled for and so the owner said okay fine he said um it was literally two days before the launch of our YouTube channel that I had worked 15 different episodes and did all filming and like we were like crunch time and he was like no more YouTube channel then I was like what the [ __ ] I worked my ass off and it was just kind of one of those retribution fine um if you can’t figure out how to accommodate this problem in employee then I’m not going to do the YouTube channel and I was like but when he said that I just looked at him and I said okay cuz really it’s his loss mhm it’s his loss right it’s a lot of work on your on your part right which I can recoup later sure which I will sure there’s that I can prove all the work I did and how it just just fizzled out and so we were supposed to have a meeting about um the numbers mhm of the previous three months and he wouldn’t even show up for that meeting wow so he literally just ripped me off on three months of of salary and bonuses and so on yeah there you go and so you know he wouldn’t respond to my emails he basically was done but here’s the thing I was on to him I was getting too close to his Secrets I was he knew that I could expose him and I became a liability so his avoidance pattern but he would notoriously say to me anytime we would have a meeting bullet points Tori bullet points and I said this is not a bullet points industry I can’t go in and give you one sentence and save time about very important issues you need to know why it’s important who it’s important for um what the consequences would be if you go this route versus another route what are the pros and cons so yes I’m a direct but I’m a big picture thinker and I articulate that and I also explain okay this is important because X Y and Z this is good for you because X Y and Z this is good for everyone because X Y and Z however there’s some liabilities of X Y andz in other words I approach it from every angle and he was just like just give me the bullet point okay so I am direct but I would not parse it down to one or two sentences I would explain and educate M why you need to know this thing because he’s never been a sex worker right the shift manager apparently has never even had a pelvic exam let alone done sex work you know what I’m saying like yeah I’m like y’all need to get on board and understand how important this is and why you need to take this seriously okay if you choose not to do it I at least have informed you of all the variables so you can make an informed decision if that is a decision that you want to make that’s on you but now we’re getting into territory where I’m not going to have my name aligned with improprieties right and unethical things because then my ass is in hot water and at the end of the day if you are not taking care of those girls then we’re going to have a problem yeah if you are putting them at risk we’re going to have a problem and I had a problem with that yeah and it was a a variety of things and that death by a thousand paper cuts I would tell him listen when you have a manager that that nitpicks and micromanages all day and we’re independent contractors you can’t micromanage us but when you have a manager that knows that you just put your lingerie and the delicate cycle in the washing machine and while you were in a party decided to help and throw all your lingerie hundreds if not thousands of dollars worth of stuff we need for our job and put it on the high cycle in the dryer she knows damn well what she’s doing she is ruining my lingerie on purpose when I can’t intercept it so from now on no more touching the washer and dryer if it is not your own damn laundry you don’t touch it you’re not GNA help somebody by putting in the dryer okay so that’s like one of the rules I made was like nobody’s allowed to touch somebody else’s laundry if it’s in the way then take it out and put it into these baskets that are labeled for that you can get it out of the way but you are not to process it in any way you are not to run it in the washer you’re not to run it in the dryer but when I came out of that party and I went to get my my my lingerie so I can air dry it and hang it it was already cooking off in the dryer sure she was like oh but I was helping no you know damn well what you were doing okay so when you’re dealing with that backhanded and and and so on like you had to literally see everything from every angle and every possible form of sabotage to prevent somebody from having that power to do that yeah they didn’t like that I could outsmart them yeah and it’s really what it was they were too dumb to be able to outsmart anybody so like when the one manager got fired because she was caught on camera sending people to this one girl’s room and not doing lineups and stuff and basically saying oh well tor’s not here today when I was but I wasn’t there to overhear the conversation when that review of all the surveillance footage and so on revealed what was going on I’m like see I tried to tell you I tried to tell you something fishy was going on couldn’t put my finger on it I knew that the other manager was talking smack about me and misaligning conversations and stuff and I would just simp say go check the cameras to the point that I had timestamps in my phone notes and everything of [ __ ] that went down that may come back later and I’d go oh yeah um you’re talking about something that happened last Tuesday hold on a second let me get you a time stamp you can go review the cameras I had to cover my ass all the time so they they were too dumb to like really fully execute these these manipulations because I was outsmarting them with the timestamps and documenting things and and in the case of you know like the text that accidentally got sent to me instead of the owner you know like there’s my proof it’s like y’all are dumb asses you really are like you can’t outsmart a hoe seriously we’re smart yeah like you cannot outsmart somebody who who is a sex worker we’ve been hustled we’ve been we’ve been manipulated we We have dealt with so many people in our lives from childhood all the way up yeah that have done us wrong so we’re always going to be see and and so on um but we’re pretty damn smart yeah and I want to get back to that I you are brilliant and I’m not like I like I’m just saying that to you because like in many different ways uh you are brilliant you’ve shown me in many different way I mean uh you sent me a picture of the White House you at the White House we can display that right now I guess I’ll add that in post production but um you know you obviously know what you’re doing and you’ve talked about your your education and past episodes and stuff so I want to get get back uh to to that um but I just wanted to uh make sure I got to um you said I wanted to give you the opportunity to tell the story you said you quietly took my break that’s another story did you want to tell that story or I quietly took my yeah I was trying to I wrote that down when I left Sage Brush are you talking about that yeah you’re like that’s another story and I’m only bringing it up in case you wanted to say oh yeah so what happened was yes thank you for bringing that back around I listen so um yes you do I I you’re good at what you do I just have to tell you that so you’re brilliant too so um I appreciate your kind compliments so what happened was um [ __ ] was going down it at Sage Brush and I was just like you know what I need to step away from this okay I I don’t need to be marinating in this stress all this he said she said people not doing their jobs people not caring whatever um I need to step away and I literally had been working full-time on site for months by that point and I said um it’s time for me to take a break and um they’re like but but and I said no butts yeah like I have literally been working my ass off for months it’s time for me to take a break and with everything that’s going on I’ll just come back when the dust settles so it’s all the same to you um count me out for a week but I’ll call you in a week and let you know cuz I need time to think I need time to contemplate I need peace I need to be out in nature I need to I need to not rush anything right now so I’m going to go and I’m going to have a road trip I’m going to going to go with one of my co-workers we’re going we we planned like a photo shoot with a photographer out in Utah like we had this all mapped out okay so we hit the road and we were in no hurry we literally only drove a couple of hours and then we stopped for the night okay we were not in a hurry and um so we stopped I think in uh oh God what’s the the nuclear area the area no no no we were right by Area 51 um I don’t know the nuclear and I should cuz I just talked to somebody about the nuclear energy subject I’ll think of it here in a minute yeah um my brain just went anyway it’s it’s a military installation and we stopped the night there you know and then we went further down the road and we stopped at an old brothel that had been converted into a bed and breakfast stayed the night there so by the time the third day we still hadn’t even got to Vegas yet okay we were going to stop in Vegas well word got out that cuz we were posting pictures online of where we were going and what we were doing and all the adventures and um and so on and so the girls were watching and they were like oh they’re heading down to Vegas they could see our route based on the locations we’ stopped at and they were like oh they’re heading down to Vegas well word got down the road that since we were heading that way what happened was Sage Brush apparently called alien cat house and said hey if Tori and Paige stop by don’t hire them we want them to come back which basically announced we have very valuable assets heading your way so do us a favor and don’t steal them from us so the owner reached out to Paige who used to work work there and said hey why don’t you guys stop in and just take take a look around see see if you like it because um Paige worked there when a different problem manager was there who was no longer there at that point um and he just invited us to stop in and just you know kind of see what the climate was and I stopped in and and he he came in the next morning uh we got in kind of like on Saturday night well Sunday morning he was in the office having to sit front and center and go hey I’ve been getting a lot of phone calls about you guys and I was like what they’re like um yeah my phone’s been ringing off the hook since you guys left Sage Brush they’re afraid that you’re going to walk and not go back and he said and what that tells me is that it’s their loss and my gain what do you say you come work here this is what I want to do and I said well I’m not going to work anywhere where there’s going to be safety issues and blah blah blah and so I need to know that you’re going to take these things seriously with it being a smaller house blah blah blah I you know as long as I can have a direct conversation with you and not have to go through six different layers to have somebody with the authority to make decisions or to make changes right and then he was like oh yeah this is the girl that solves problems and creates you know like so um a week or two after I got there he said um I have a plan for you he was like kind of foreshadowing he was already deciding to to make me Madam he was like I have a plan for you and I was like what is it he goes you’ll know in the right time you know I was like don’t do that to me like just be direct with me like don’t hint at things and then one day we were supposed to have a meeting and the girl that got the lady that got fired she like sabotaged it and I was just I was just a little pissed off about it and again check the cameras because this happened at this time and I he called for a meeting with him and he was like well you were just asking the wrong person I was like you should not have people in charge who don’t know the answer to the question so I would challenge him and say you are really [ __ ] up sir when you give incompetent people the power and authority to [ __ ] things up even more and that’s basically about that point where he was like okay this is what I have planned for you I want you to be the Madam and I’m like FL I was like what what yeah like I literally at that point oh my God goodness Big Daddy just sent me a nude photo sorry that’s okay he baby yes we do we do have to talk about Big Daddy there is that too he’s so sweet he’s so sexy so so anyway um I would challenge him and I would basically endorse and encourage making changes that would ultimately help him in the end okay he was going to benefit greatly from these ideas and and approaches and changes and so on but I also noticed that he would hesitate on spending money now he would talk about all the money he was spending but when it came down to like that brothel actually allowed smoking in the Parlor so sometimes you know six truckers would come in and they’re all smoking like chimneys you know and it’s wafting into our room room and I said listen some of these girls like one of the girls was actually allergic to menthol cigarettes and would have like a bad reaction so I was like either put her all the way down the damn Hall like as far away from The Parlor as possible but You’ got her literally right off the Parlor and She’s suffering and you this is affecting People’s Health so I said let’s get a commercial grade air purifier which makes sense I found one they normally were like and this is medical grade okay it could take care of the whole facility and it was a certain price but I was able to find it cheaper but still the same thing and it was right around when things are amping up for Christmas and so on this is like around September I was like we need air purifiers in here and um I researched it I he said send me the link I sent him the link and the link was actually on Amazon oh and they had like a $200 off type thing and I was you know saving them money well he didn’t jump on that $200 off and I was like hey did you oh I forgot okay but I just told you we have people with actual medical necessity for this to be in our brothel I’ll get it no worries well the next week I’m like where’s the air purifier and he was like oh well um so and so said that I could get a cheaper one somewhere else I said listen there is a reason why we needed that specific one this is medical grade what they’re talking about is down at Home Depot and yeah it’s going to save you money but it’s not going to do the job so you’re just going to throw money away so I’m like redirecting him to the logic and saying I need you to trust me that I know what I’m doing and here it is well by the time I left he had still not ordered it I had ordered one for my own room other girls had ordered ones for their rooms cuz we got tired of waiting MH and that’s really how he saved the money by putting the burden on us to to spend the money for our own space and I was pissed at him and I was like he was like I’ll just put more plants in the brothel he wanted to put like plants to purify the air I looked at him I said are you [ __ ] serious you want to fill this brothel up full of plants instead of buying an air purifier in a smoking facility with girls who actually are suffering because of the smoke inhalation right we are also undergoing renovation so we had paint fumes we had construction dust and he was like one time you know we were talking about the the construction dust and all the tarps and the paint and the fumes and the noise and everything and I was like this is why we need an air purifier he goes goes why would I buy an air purifier if I’m going to have to replace the filters so soon with all this construction dust and I looked at him I said are you I literally I are you [ __ ] serious this is exactly why we need the air purifier because of construction dust because of paint fumes because of all of these things that are going on MH that’s crazy and he was so healthc conscious like he was all about eating naturally and working out and like and and like he would tell us how to get rid of migraines by soaking almonds and water overnight eating only three of them like it was like weird [ __ ] right he was like Mr Health Guru yeah okay getting two specific this person was very successful Am I Wrong oh God multi-millionaire multi multi multi multi very wealthy very wealthy um and he could afford it mhm but he never ordered it right and we never sell the plants either so there’s that yeah and I yeah it’s like it was just lip service it was just to you know okay I’ll do it okay oh well I’m not doing it because of this reason or I’m not doing it because the filters will clog up faster if we do it during construction it was stuff like that it’s like if you can’t take care of your people mhm you’re going to send us home with construction dust in our lungs is that okay with you no it’s not okay with me that’s why I spent hundreds of dollars to have an air purifier in my own damn room yeah cuz if you’re not going to take care of us I’m going to take care of us I think it was just kind of looking at it like how long how far can I push these women yeah oh God yes you know oh yes um so yeah I was direct and to that point this is going to be this is brilliant cuz I’m be able to wrap up a few like three of my points that I’ve got written here pretty well we me I mentioned again you know you’re brilliant but it sounds like there’s a lot of drug use maybe even mental illness yeah and look I look I want to be very clear I think we should legalize all drugs I do I want to try all drugs I I had this guy on my show that um I don’t want to try like the synthetic forms of drugs but the the natural forms of drugs like cocoa Leaf you know try to chew on a cocoa Leaf try Coco tea um get back to our roots of how we discovered these drugs to begin with thank you very much yeah so I’m down with all that and I’m not uh I am not stigmatizing these people this show is all about civil liberties and I think people should have the right to do all those things I’m just saying it’s something I’ve heard time and time again where like ODS happen and um yeah like you like we’ve talked about in the past there is checks so that drugs don’t get in because obviously that’s a concern but people people will get around it so I guess what I’m asking you is to to kind of put a bow on a few of my different points here um with you know some like drug use and like mental illness and and everything else and like you’re you’ve got your head on your shoulders and like but like what for people that are tuning in right now and I and I hope that when we release this series it’s very helpful for the people that might be considering going into sex work because I believe sex work should be legal I just don’t know that Nevada is the way to do it or or or maybe how about this that Nevada has a lot of room to improve SP and I believe I when we left off on the last episode I I agreed with that you know there’s there’s there needs to be oversight and accountability and there need needs to be kind of a universal standard because what happens in one County won’t be allowed in another County like it needed to be very the same across the board okay because each County makes their own rules and and so on like as Sage Brush I could do an outdate and go out to dinner anywhere within the state lines but but at alien cat house I wasn’t allowed to leave the facility M okay so back to the whole you know the drugs thing um kind of funny story serious but it’s kind of funny one girl tried to have cocaine shipped in wow and it was intercepted because she didn’t know because it was her first tour she didn’t know that we have to open our packages in front of management even Amazon packages anything that’s obviously from Amazon we still have to open it and it’s like we make a joke about it it’s like oh you know it’s Christmas today because Tori just ordered a whole bunch of [ __ ] one time a big box truck rolled up to deliver my [ __ ] cuz I ordered so much [ __ ] one time but we had to open everything in front of Staff um because a we had to retrieve the box from staff and then we had to open it and so on so this one girl mistakenly thought that she could slip some packets of cocaine in the mail and had somebody ship it to her and they intercepted it is this why you think maybe they check packages oh yeah for sure yeah um Contraband gets smuggled in all the time you know and I don’t object to that okay you want to see what I ordered from Amazon let’s have it okay cuz I don’t have anything to hide I don’t do shady [ __ ] like if I’m going to if I’m going to um snort coke I’m going to be the first one to announce it you know what I’m saying like I’m like oh we’re we’re we’re bumping this weekend you know that kind of thing like I’m honest to a fault right but I like to be clearheaded yeah in the brothel it is the safety issue for me and for everybody around me so if I’m going to partake if you will it will be in my off time with trusted people and not in a working capacity right okay so when people book me and they’re like well can you bring some party favors uh no okay I’m not going to judge you if you bring your own you could do it before or after but you’re not going to put me in a precarious position where I might get arrested because you’re a dumbass and you’ve got it on you and I’m in the presence of you okay let’s just be clear here um trust me I can handle a Coke deck I know what to do with a Coke deck okay but I’m not going to help you get that coke dick does that make sense yeah okay so there’s that so drugs are prevalent in the sense that many people that come into the industry do it out of desperation they are nearing homelessness already homeless whatever the case may be um maybe they have uh a drug addiction and they need to feed it with that kind of cash flow okay I know one girl she had a gambling addiction she made six figures a year but all went to the casinos okay it feeds a lifestyle whatever that lifestyle is for me my lifestyle is I love to travel I love to eat good I do not I do not miss meals okay um but I like when like back in what was it March I had a client fly in paid me $1,700 so I can eat a $300 steak dinner date not a bad deal exactly I didn’t even [ __ ] him you know what I’m saying wow like there’s that hey um yes we had fun yes things got you know heavy ping and whatever I mean there was fun sure but it wasn’t that wasn’t the point it was he wanted to have the companionship he wanted to go eat fine meal he wanted to make sure I I could order whatever I wanted it and he paid me for my time mhm to eat that meal and to fully enjoy my wagu STI you know so like so there is an appeal so I do it because I desire it I’m not desperate okay so you have two camps of people and in my training I could figure out what motivated each of these girls before their mouth even open to to admit the truth or whatever okay you could tell who was there out of desperation you can tell who was there out of Desire the despiration camp was a bigger camp oh gotcha okay so some got into it and they missed the money so even if they leave I just had a former coworker uh text me last night and said I’m now you know across the country um I am now with my family I have a regular job but God I miss the money I missed the whole money you know and but she’s trying to walk the straight and narrow even though she was doing it legally and everything she stepping away from sex work is often hard because the cash flow is so different and it doesn’t feed the lifestyle like we had 247 drivers and we had chef that we’re making our meals and you know that’s it’s it’s a great gig in that sense but not everybody can survive it and some people I witnessed one girl who had been in it for years she was one of the top Bookers I’m not going to say her name and I hope nobody who watches it can make any associations but I literally watched her lay on the floor crying about how she hates this work and can’t stand to do it another day and was suicidal over it and you know what management did propped her back up right and said get back on the floor they said basically maybe you should take some time off um maybe you should call a therapist but um you’re going to be here tomorrow right that to me is is no I I it’s really bothersome so mentally there is a mental wear and tear that happens in this type of work um I’m very good at being boundaried but some of these men come in and they’re they’re [ __ ] disrespectful and they’re nasty and they’ll try to stealth you and you know like you’re constantly on edge I would turn way more people than I would book you would be surprised how many people did not meet my standards because they were either disrespectful they were entitled they were they would buy pass consent the moment that they would show those behaviors I would I would walk them and let another girl have a chance to maybe book them but I wouldn’t book them see I’m worried I that’s I’m not I want to say I worry about other girls though that that well I would give them heads up don’t know those okay I they knew if I walked somebody but now that there’s a good reason either they had no money because trust me I can help them find money yeah okay anybody that comes in says oh I have $200 I can 10 times that I can help them find it now I’m not going to exploit them in the process but if they really want what they want they’re going to find the money MH that’s the thing however some girls like one time this very same girl really good Booker she’s been in it years I could learn so much from her and I did but I also learned that she had just basically clocked out mentally on it but she also made it her identity so one day can I ask you off the Record is it yeah really I’ve interviewed her yeah I I was really worried about her but she’s actually out of it now she recently posted something about that so yeah off the Record please yeah hated it um she was an alcoholic she would just Escape so like I’ll tie it back in here but um some of the girls needed to escape because they mentally clocked out they had to cut themselves off from what they were doing because it just became this thing that got them money there was no joy in it there was no pleasure there was no fun there was no you know like they didn’t respect themselves so how can they command respect from somebody else like they were just done and like if I am negotiating with somebody and they’re giving me attitude or anything like that um if I think that there are any red flags I’m not going to party with them they could try stealthing me they could try any number quick stealthing for our steing uh to surreptitiously take the condom off without the girl knowing or sneak yes just to to like take it off and oh my didn’t know that happen yeah no you did because you were the one that took it off I was very good at making sure I like had uh mirrors at certain angles I would constantly check it and if if I felt that even just for the fit even if they weren’t being malicious if I felt that that condom was going to slip I’d put a [ __ ] ring over the condom like that was stay you mentioned that on an episode that you even tell girls how to make sure a condom would stay on exactly you know cuz sometimes people are kind of in between sizes maybe weird a weird size not to make anybody offended but like it just just it doesn’t it doesn’t lend itself to keeping a condom on right and then there’s also the growth and you know the expansion and contraction process that happens too so you know there there’s ways to to work around it but like I think that some of the girls had just clocked out mentally because a they might not have been so stable when they came in yes they can pass background checks and so on but they can’t they had trauma in their life and um sometimes times sex is an escape for people but sometimes they need to escape from the sex for me I operate From Desire so the sex I have is always fun for me and for whoever my client is or clients in the case of multi-person parties um I take great pride in delivering a you know a great experience but that’s not to say it you know all age aside like if I were doing this for 10 years I might feel a little differently after doing it for 10 years but like I came into this industry and in under a year became a Madam that’s you know it’s exciting and exhilarating for me to do what I do it’s very fulfilling but if I had traumatic events because I was maybe less picky and had you know a drunk Rush In My Room calling me horrible names and staff kicking them out you know that that can stick to you and and add up over time it it creates a residue and it’s you know it it can get thick um I don’t put up with anybody’s [ __ ] you know like I’ll handle it I had I kicked a guy out that pinned me down he was 65 athletic like big dude but trust me when when I’m pissed look out and I got out from underneath them and and was like boom boom boom and he like he didn’t expect me being 5T tall to be able to um literally throw him off of me like when I’m pissed adrenaline’s going to run run the show and so um and I got I got strong thighs these thighs are thick for a reason leg day every day you know but but the thing is is like people underestimate mhm and so for me it was really important for me to empower the girls especially ones that I saw might be a little bit brittle um who might maybe make shortcuts or make exceptions to make the buck things like that and so um I know that the people that come into it come into it for multitude of reasons but it’s always in the camp of Desire or desperation I keep making your vague things specific but I think it’s important did by that did you mean maybe sometimes girls would withhold uh maybe not use a condom yes oh absolutely in fact um sometimes during two girl parties one girl might be really Tipsy and forget that there’s another girl in the room and be with one of her regulars that she pulled this girl in to entertain and the guy will tell on her well why are you putting a condom on you never put a condom on you know something like that or straight up right in front of another girl like bear back and the other girl’s going what the [ __ ] you’re not where’s the condom like and then they would walk out and like it has happened but sometimes girls are like I will do anything to get this booking because I want to be Tau Booker well I mean couldn’t you TR I mean you have to be quiet about it but maybe you could charge money like charge more money be like oh yeah oh yeah like like hear me out here like what we can do this on camera let we are literally being listened to right now so technically speaking you know the microphones so it could be like uh condoms are required right yeah condoms are required MH and like and if somebody’s listening in then you’ve passed under the radar and and so on it it also could be a text conversation that happens off site it could be any number of things true story I literally posted about it on my Facebook but I showed a screenshot I didn’t reveal the person nor the picture itself I you this guy was like okay he basically was trying to talk me into doing a be back blow job all right and the answer is no um no and he had thrown out a number of $4,000 and the answer was still no so where I showed the screenshot was at that point he had heard no more than once and $4,000 was offered and I still said no okay so he thought well maybe if I show her my [ __ ] she might want it okay the unsolicited dick pick and got pardon the pun he got cocky and he said well mine’s probably bigger than anything you’ve ever had I can assure you and Sir if you watching this that laugh Emoji you could not hear me laughing how hard I was laughing because oh trust me I’ve had bigger and have bigger like there’s no way this is even a competition no means no but some of the girls will go ooh 4K hell yeah cuz they’re looking at what what Bill they’re going to pay and what fun they’re going to have or whatever for me I want to earn my money with Integrity I am not being self-righteous I’m just saying for me that is an alignment for me if you make your money going bear back that’s on you I’m not going to judge you I’m not going to shame you every single sex worker doing what they do deserves respect and I will be the first one to give it okay I respect that but I’m not going to be that girl um there are girls out there that will do what’s called car play they’ll basically [ __ ] in a parking lot okay fine if that’s what you do go do it but I have those guys coming to me going what about carplay [ __ ] no that’s not what I do I stay in nice hotels I give luxury experiences and I am very selective about what clients I serve and 99 out of a 100 clients get turned away that that ask for whatever it is because they have not met the criterias that does that make me better no it makes me different so when a girl is wink wink condoms wink wink okay that goes on in the brothel I’ve been witness to it I have seen the aftermath of it I have seen girls that like like are freaking out because a condom slipped or broke or whatever and they take that super super seriously and they are panicked because a condom broke all the way to girls who like oh um what do you mean show you my Condom Supply um because I would get suspicious of girls that were not buying condoms right right I could see what the condom supply chain Shan was and go and one girl worked a whole ass week with no condoms how did she managed that and you know because they receive packages that they’re not like getting a mail delivered correct so long story short I knew who was using condoms and who W who wasn’t using condoms because they don’t realize that they it’s it’s not so much what you see it’s what you don’t see you don’t see them buying condoms you’re not seeing them getting them shipped in you’re not like and then the clients will tell the other girls well so and so never makes me use a condom now sometimes they’re bullshitting okay they’re trying to get one over sure okay in all fairness they’re just trying to pull the wool over your eyes and whatever yeah there was certain girls who name just keeps coming up over and over and over again you know what I’m saying so for me um I like to be safe Sint and consent ual you’re going to be respectful and I will meet you with that what are risks what I said what a risk what a risk I’m just thinking about the type of woman that would risk that I’m not saying anything bad about her right no no it’s it’s it’s literally it’s Russian roulette with your life it literally is Russian roulette with your life I value my life and I want to live it as fully and as long as I can I’ve got so much to live for but some people have clocked out sometimes that is a passive way of giving up kind of yeah it’s kind of in the moment if you again if we go back to um if you can maybe charge more for it or whatever um I get more money it’s it’s all in the direct the now instead of the future yeah and actually that’s something that I’ll deal with it later if it happens well it’s catastrophic that’s something that was really brilliant that somebody I talked to within the sex industry said that that they particularly didn’t like about Nevada and and that’s kind of why I brought this point up um and then I’ve got something very interesting to tell you that I think you’ll find really cool and it’s kind of it’s a really a bow on this series uh that that we’re doing um uh because well just to give you a teaser I reached out to the Bunny Ranch and asked if they’ host to stay we’ll get back to that um but uh we’ll get back to that but we were just talking about um oh yeah uh she said this this person I talked about I almost lost it there it’s dangerous game um she she said uh she said that you the the problem with Nevada the way that the industry works with women that aren’t uh that don’t have their head on their shoulders like you do and again this is why I kind of brought that up is it causes you to only live in the now and never to plan in the the future when when you go there think about when you went there it’s all about my future yep and then it quickly becomes this pit you fall into MH because of the the the lodging rates mhm and and it’s not I mean they’re forthcoming about that stuff I guess I mean they’ll tell you that room and course I mean we’ve had we’ve called and asked what’s room and board uh you know at these different locations just to see and um they’re they’re forthcoming about that but I think if you don’t know to ask that question exactly you arrive and I don’t know that that’s I just I that’s why I brought that question up I worry about what might be going on um with respect to that idea that’s a really frightening idea for me and if it seems like there’s no oversight uh and I love this idea I I like I’m not saying there needs to be oversight like even with what you do like cuz you you are doing your own oversight correct right oversight and accountability I hold myself accountable on anything and everything I do and who I do it with but this seems to absolve somebody like it’s like the chain of accountability I don’t know how to describe it I wish I was better with my words uh but I’ve I’ve been trying to I’ve been circling this drain trying to say this point but it’s like something about Nevada’s sex industry absolves instead of it being about like women’s freedom in this like champ like kind of where I’m coming from it’s it’s very much how do you how do we just make it so that a certain number of people can make money off of this and make sure they don’t get into legal trouble for it at the end of the day it’s about the profits right and that’s that’s how cannabis that’s kind of how it relates there too yeah but there are some people that are motivated to make that money through certain methods and criterias and so on other people will make it like to their own detriment yeah will make that money the thing is for me I’m the money is actually secondary now I hold my rates and I hold them firm and I’m I’m very clear about that if you’re budget doesn’t meet what say my hourly rate is I will figure out a way to provide an experience for you it just won’t be the full experience it may be something a little more scaled down less time whatever I I can wiggle things around so you walk away with a smile one way or the other it just made I just manage your expectations okay so I’m not going to shame you if you come in with a low budget okay but when I tell you what my rate is and you say well I think you’re only worth half you don’t even know me yeah you know your own worth okay I have clients that will gladly pay double if it meant they got to see me again I did plain and simple but the thing is is when uh and and again I posted this on Facebook the other day an example the guy um knew my price now he wasn’t expressing a lack of funds he just felt I shouldn’t charge that much big difference he’s like well you should charge this much um and I said no I’m sorry you can’t afford me you need to either come up with that or we can work something he was like we’ll meet in the middle I said no you know what um I have already taken you off my schedule because you want to insult me by lowballing me um so good luck to you basically it’s like I’m bless and release bless and release so there are people that would save every last penny to come up with the bare minimum to have 15 minutes with me and would do it once a month and come in every month and they would scrape and save and so on those are the people that I’m going to give extra to seriously yeah but the ones that are like but see the thing is is like the money for me is secondary it’s the people it’s the girls I work with it’s the the staff within the the facility it’s you know in a brothel environment um it’s ultimately it’s the clients but at the end of the day it is all about me how am I benefiting without exploiting somebody without um sacrificing my own self in the process like how am I amplifying and enhancing myself and the people around me that’s my ultimate overarching goal and I have a deep compassion for human suffering I’m not going to cause harm I’m not going to cause trauma I’m trauma informed someone with trauma can come in and have a healing you know uh scenario with me to to help Empower them but sex work at the the end of the day is about a dude realizing he’s [ __ ] horny and he wants it now and he wants it any way he can get it and he will stop at nothing to get it and he will go through all the different R structures and find the cheapest one and and and and and he’s not there for the experience he’s there for the release all he cares about is the release I care about the experience yeah of how you get to that release yeah there’s that too so you know it’s Lord knows I’ve Had My Moments I need to release too I mean like I get it there somebody’s going to be horny it’s going to be a mature woman you know like like me who our sex drive is is woo the thing is is like being horny isn’t bad wanting sex isn’t bad paying for sex isn’t bad but how you treat the people that are either providing it receiving it paying for it managing overseeing it it’s the people that really are the commodity it’s not the sex right and the money is just a wonderful bypro product yeah of that exchange well I know I’ve been going for a really long time I want to I do want to be respectful of your time you’ve been very kind with your time I’m good um good literally I’m good okay um well I I wanted to ask you um how so I’ll just tell you about how the Bunny Ranch thing went how about that yes I I got to hear this because I know how it was when I was there yeah so I reached out to the Bunny Ranch with some help from uh people that I interviewed so I happened I don’t know if you had the chance to check it out uh we’ll be releasing it for free as I just told you uh as part of this new show the Cole memo um but I reached I connected with um the person that cooked Dennis Hoff’s last meal mhm um I connected with a manager she was the shift manager uh they called her the Handler MH uh I believe she was featured in cat house uh you just kind of see her hand she’d be like C counting cash sure that’s what she mentioned I think on the in my interview and um so just working with everybody and like kind of seeing how it went everybody just kind of was like why are you why are you um looking for pointers it’s pretty easy just reach out and I was like okay but I I was like really mindful in how I reached out I had um our our booking agent reach out and I’ve just got somebody helping me uh like you know volunteer stuff and they reached out and was like Hey Cole wants to come for this show we’re going to highlight like Dennis’s lasting impact on the SE industry um it’s not in a negative light like it’s you know uh let us know if you have any questions and everything and uh the manager of the Bunny Ranch responded to me and or responded to them and said uh that they were not interested in any uh like form of media at that time and so I had them forward me that message and then I forwarded it to Madam Suzette and I said Madam Suzette um like I’ll have you know that you know basically like I I should be welcome and open and that’s how it that’s how that’s how Dennis was and that’s how it should be and there’s no reason to like not be that way and she said said that basically she’s just not interested in media at that time and you know believe me she said she’s been asked for many statements since denn Dennis’s death and Co and by many big Publications I don’t know if that was to like put me down that I’m like small or whatever I don’t know I’m maybe I’m reading into it too much but um uh she’s like believe me I have a lot I could say but not at this time thank you Suzette so we got got denied our trip or our stay uh or visit I I don’t even know if that means like if I showed up and was like hey could I just have like a conversation if they’d be like n you need to get out of here they would have you they would not letay you on site they would not they were absolutely against any media which is ironic because Dennis was all about the publicity the exposure uh good exposure bad exposure doesn’t matter it’s all exposure yeah and since you can’t advertise in Nevada you did it and and this is I’ve owned my own Media Company since 2013 like I have been in the media a lot that’s why this is so comfortable for me okay that’s why I’m so out there with what I do I’m very comfortable with being in the public eye and the thing is is even my haters are making me money okay because they’re saying your name they’re literally it’s free advertising right okay I thank my number one fan as I call her she’s like the president of my haters Club whatever she’s my number one fan [ __ ] she’s not a hater she’s a fan I thank her all the time in fact I even show screenshots of how my algorithms and my reach and Impressions and like all of that stuff on the back end all improve every time she utters my name okay she is branding she is doing all kinds of stuff she doesn’t even know it I seriously and she’s so good at watching everything I do she knows what I’m going to do before I do it it’s it’s great but the but the thing here is um they would shut me down from doing any media and I said you can’t stop me from doing what I did before I came here yeah you called me from the ranch so was kind of cool I did cuz I was like I’m not going to name names I’m not going to say where I am and this is how I towed the line I met their requirements but yet still made it happen their name was never once said and I did it from inside my room on site because I was tired of the whole oppression like not having freedom of speech okay the thing is is I’m not here to damage them I’m here to tell the truth and if that somehow damages them then they need to look at why the truth became the truth if it’s so bothering some you know what I’m saying like then you should have managed it better you should have handled these things you shouldn’t have hired shitty managers and let them get away with things you should have not over served the girls you should have like whatever you should have acted more responsibly okay so one of my favorite quotes is from Ann Lamont from the book Bird by bird a book about writing a memoir and um she said you own everything that happen happen to you tell your stories if people wanted you to write or speak warmly about them they should have behaved better okay so someone who does not want media has something to hide they fear the loss of money they fear a loss of reputation and they are still in all due respect you know I never met him he passed before I came into the industry but I’ve heard some pretty telling stories about him from people I trust to tell me correct information I’ve also heard some stuff that’s like there’s no [ __ ] way you know like Rumor Mill but the thing is is he liked to exploit the media and to benefit and profit from it and so to this day that that network of brothel and those that are in charge um are afraid of media and that tells me everything I need to know because anybody that gets media good or bad will have eyeballs on them and that’s when they can shine and act right and show a new and improved whatever but they’re not doing that that costs money that might take effort that might need to so here’s the thing when I left that Network and went to alien cat house I was given full rein on you know like launching a YouTube channel and so on I did a two-part documentary um I worked with you like you did shout out to the Matt Matt Matt yes I mean our career life that whole brothel series just took off oh yeah shout out to Matt colen uh for that series brilliant series and it’s got some of the most in footage uh in brothel footage I’ve ever seen I actually need to reach out to Matt maybe you can help me out with that yeah I can text him right now if you want yeah we’ll figure it out we’ll figure it out I’ll write it down we’re like this anyway um the thing is is like those that came in to have these interviews you Matt colen and so on did such a great job that that should have flipped that Network into maybe you can’t beat them join them like they saw my episodes go viral they saw at the brothel people coming in going where’s Tori we wanted to meet we saw her on the documentary we’re just here to shake her hand and give her hug whatever there you know like it generated traffic it generated conversations about sex work and if you are going to be profiting off of sex work you need to be driving the narrative of what sex work really is and if you’re putting the burden on the girls to represent it but yet telling us that we we have a gag order we can’t talk about that how is the world supposed to shift their perception about sex work or reduce the stigmas or you know dispel any myths or to get accurate information so that people can have an informed decision if they’re thinking about coming into sex work that this is not something that you take lightly and just do and then hope for the best you you need to have some level of business mind and good with boundaries and so on and if you don’t have that then choose the brothel you go to very wisely I regret the fact that I’m not there shaping and molding and empowering the girls that are coming into this industry that matters to me a lot but if my hands are tied by upper manag man agement that are like yeah we want you to train but don’t Empower them too much you know what I’m saying like like they want to keep you small and little and quiet but in America we don’t have to be small and little and quiet I may be small and little a little curvy but you short little [ __ ] that I am um but I am not quiet I never was I never will be so anybody that tries to tell me you can’t talk about this I’ll go hold my beer I’ll do it you know every day and twice on Sunday if you tell me I can’t do something that I know I have the right to do so yeah I’m going to tell my stories I own everything that happened to me if people wanted me to speak warmly about them they should have behaved better okay so yeah every single brothel has major room for improvements some brothel are better than others if I were to say which one was my favorite I would actually say Sage Brush I didn’t work in all of them obviously I would love to have the experience of working in every single brothel and find ways that what one brothel does really well another brothel can benefit from but they’re so busy trying to get all the traffic to their brothel that they’re not going to do anything for the betterment of the industry they’re just going to look out for them their own selves much like the girls who are in the lineups they’re they’re not looking out for the girl next to them they’re just looking out for themselves that is a backwards mentality if I’m looking out for you and you and you everybody wins but that’s not the culture so yeah media no you can’t talk about it well I talked about it from my room I just didn’t say their name yeah people are going to talk I’m going to talk um by talking I may actually be cutting myself off from any BR brothel ever wanting to have me come into their doors to be it’s one of my questions yeah it’s going to say it’s a risk I had to take by being vocal and verbal about it like it could be that the 15 that are in operation right now not one of them will ever touch me and that was a risk I was willing to take to speak the truth now would you be will to return oh yeah I’d love to but here’s the thing what would it take me running it okay because I’m going to look out for not only the owners and not only management but I’m especially going to look out for the girls that are literally turnning that money machine with their [ __ ] and I’m going to make sure that they are not forgotten about but I will do it in a way that benefits the the greater good and everyone involved I’m good at that I really am okay I’m always looking at the big picture I am not excluding anyone from this abundance mindset M if I’m winning you’re winning and if he’s winning and she’s winning we’re all winning like literally I want everyone to win I want everyone to win yeah yeah and and and if I can’t have an influence on how people stay safe and how people stay honest and how people don’t get exploited or that if a really bad situation happens that we can all learn from it and and grow from it and maybe modify things as you go I’m about change for the better but I also know that much like what we just talked about today I told you little episodes of what happened inside the walls of the brothel and it boils down to safety and the fact that exploitation actually does happen in the sense that they’re exploiting the very people that are making them the money um that’s not okay yeah it’s not so I am doing the independent thing simply because I don’t have faith unless I open my own brothel that I will find a brothel that will be 100% on board with that big picture thinking do you think that’s possible for you do you think that’s in your future um it is a goal um to be honest it takes a [ __ ] ton of money okay and really good location like I was actually waiting for a brothel that was slow to reopen after covid to reopen because they were talking about having me like coad them it’s still not open and guess what I’m not going to work for an owner that can’t get his [ __ ] together who’s going to say oh next week oh next week no you’re you’re disrespecting my time and I’m going to go in a different direction like I can’t respect somebody who just wants to string you along if that’s the the the the best foot that you’re putting forward now what’s it going to be like later you know what I’m saying like you’ve already shown me who you are you’re someone that just has zero regard for the fact that people are kind of waiting just get started and you’re just H what whatever so like the thing is is like I would love to find the right owner that would much rather let somebody like me run the show and then not interfere and not I mean they can have say they can have input I’m not cutting them off from ever having involvement I’m just saying don’t interfere yeah because if you’ve never done this this work then you have no say in how our experiences should be yeah you have to know what it’s like I know what it’s like I think any Madam who was a former working girl or current working girl like I I was Madam on the menu when I was Madam like you could book me um the thing is is that make it fair and Equitable don’t make it competition um um but the thing is make it accessible I would love to see it replicated in other states Nationwide um it exists worldwide plain and simple so how do we make it so that everyone wins the clients the girls the management everybody yeah that’s that’s the true question yeah so yeah I would love to but I think I’m just going to have to buy my own yeah and I need a few Millions so let me know I mean yeah do go go fund me change the sex industry well movie deal I don’t know I mean let’s we’ll see what happen that would be pretty [ __ ] tight I would love to I’m actually working on something like that but the thing is is like I want the world to see the world through a different lens or a different perspective MH what media has told the world whether it’s in newspapers and whatever is that it’s bad it’s uh it’s it’s dirty it’s um just horrible things and it’s not it’s been the most fulfilling career I’ve had and I’ve had a lot of different fulfilling careers but this one matters the most to me yeah I’m just going to do it so though until I can buy my own brothel yeah well I’ve got three three more questions for you how would you say the market is you said it’s slow does it just swing is it hard for is that a hard question to answer okay well the economy does um affect it but oh sorry see Siri you stay out of your out of this conv your business okay when Co hit it obviously shut the brool down 100% but sex was still happening despite quarantines despite mandatory 6 feet apart you know sex is happening MH um so the demand is always going to be there it’s the finances so business is really good when people are getting their tax refunds but business is really bad around Christmas time unless you’re a single guy who doesn’t have a whole lot of family who doesn’t want to be lonely and you have enough money to splurge which is a very small subset of people the single guys um actually boost business during the holidays because they will spend anything not to be alone um Father’s Day dead like no bells on Father’s Day okay so all the brothel in Nevada I predict on Father’s Day might have very little bookings comparatively to any other Sunday okay so yeah the market fluctuates based on economy and so on but it is Recession Proof it is quarantine proof it is like something that you’re going to find some form or fashion of sex work somewhere at all times MH whether it’s in a brothel or whether it’s in a back alley or whether it’s in a nice hotel room it’s happening or online online viral I don’t know but yeah exactly I can be camming from here yeah so um my last two questions and I’ll throw them to you at the same time and if it’s even if if it whatever you know uh take these questions how you however you want what was your worst memory and what was your best memory out of at the in Nevada’s sex industry oh that is such a loaded question wor memory um I’ve seen some [ __ ] I’ve heard some [ __ ] and I mean okay but personally speaking um the day that I packed my room up I was abundantly aware that this may be my last day ever working in a brothel and that really gutted me the potential was there but it was so important for me to exit that situation and if anything to make the Bold statement this is not okay that was really really hard for me it was a very emotional thing for me because I belabored the decision for for a few months off and on I was like just give it a little more time I just I have this Everlasting hope in faith that it will the tide will turn and that I will finally get the traction that I was looking for and and I just felt like I was spinning my wheels and it’s like I had to process okay does this make me a failure no actually it doesn’t it shows that my tenacity that I stuck with it for so long through so many many circumstances showed how tenacious I am and how determined I am and so on so like I had to flip that and reframe it and go no I’m not a failure if anything you demonstrated how hard you will work and how far you will go and how important it is to make this statement so even though emotionally it was gutting to think that that may be the end of that era I also knew that I still had that hope and faith and someone that I may be able to reenter it as an owner I may be able to re-enter it um as a Madam from a brothel that respects the direction I wanted to take the last one that I was at or the one before that someone who is going to go you know what it is time out with the old and with the new let’s run a brothel completely different okay and if it’s not me then I hope it’s going to be somebody else but the only way I can accomplish that I think is to step back into it in the right time and right now it’s not the right time um we’ll see I I am sad I miss the girls I miss the the climate the energy the clients like I do miss that but I’m able to do that still it’s just not the same environment or climate yeah and so start to throw a question in on when you’re but uh is is there something in the air in Nevada like there is in Colorado where it’s like it’s legal or is that is it not really that way am I imagining that I don’t know I just imagine so it does have this um sense of Safety and Security that’s baked into it and and it’s true I mean it is legal so if you want to have a legal experience that is probably the safest way that like the girl is not standing inside that brothel unless she had gotten licensed by the shares department who fingerprinted her background checked her somebody that sees me along with a hundred different other listings if you will on any one given site um isn’t going to get that guarantee okay me because I’m in the porn industry I get tested way more than anybody else if anything weekly just like in the brothel I am not filming unless I’ve been tested so somebody approaching a porn star will have a higher likelihood of of of being with a companion who’s been tested if not uh recently certainly frequently okay but some of these girls out here have never been tested oh you know what I’m saying no no in in sex work in general got gotta yeah in legit porn Okay because there’s amateurs filming porn all over the place they don’t know there Talent testing or whatever you well yeah Talent testing service um I particular particularly like get cleared I’ve been using Talent testing service for years but um in Vegas the the clear um in fact I have a a hoodie um from them that says you know porn star but it’s got their emblem but but um get cleared G C LR D is is how it spelled I love them um they’ve been amazing in fact they made it more accessible for talent like myself where they have like a monthly membership where you can get tested every day if you want for One Price okay so that’s why I like that they are making testing less expensive more accessible and so on um I’ve spent thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of on testing it comes out of my pocket in the brothel um porn you name it that comes out of my pocket so somebody that steps into a sex work environment would benefit greatly from going to a legalized structured brothel system like Nevada has or someone who is a verified Pro like myself who can you know show but the thing is is even then I’m still not going to go bearback with just random person but you at least know that I have clear results consistently right being who I am and what I do okay I’ve never had an STD um I don’t plan on getting one there’s no shame for those that have had STDs because you know antibiotics there’s ways to treat it so I’m not throwing shame at STDs they exist okay but there are girls out there that are literally infected and are infecting people and if you are trying to get a an experience with no protection um you’re not going to get it with a porn star and you’re not going to get it in illegal rothel so they’re going to go to the risky right subset of people um I will say this though um um I can do more with a covered blow job than most people can do bear bear back okay and I’ve had the testimonials to that um you know so the thing is is so many people have had such bad [ __ ] in their life that they think the only way they can get pleasure is bear back I have a whole different way of doing it and people see different times and dimensions and everything like one client recently was like I wasn’t seeing star I was seeing galaxies he was like I have never had anything as good as that with a let alone with a condom on you know so like a lot of people have bad experiences and they think the only way they can have the pleasure is to do the risky thing and that’s not true that’s not true the experience is very important um so I endorse protection I endorse the way that the brothel require protection I endorse the testing frequency of porn and the requirements of porn testing being within a certain window and with certain Labs you know you can’t just go down to like you know Dr Smith and Podunk somewhere and have it end up in a National Database yeah you might walk out with a paper that says you know negative negative negative negative but people can also walk out with a photoshopped copy of negative negative negative negative so like how do we make it safe right how do we make it safe so brothel do provide that safety Independents don’t provide that necessarily um that reassurance that clients could look forward to people like me who get tested and will test whether I’m filming or not I’m a sex worker I’m going to get tested tested frequently I have a partner I don’t want to bring anything home to my partner I don’t want to expose my clients I don’t want to have anything H I would be gutted if I somehow caused somebody to have negative consequences because of a broken condom somewhere or something like that see what I’m saying I take it that seriously yeah so I can’t compete with you know $50 bear back back alley stuff I’m not going to um I would surely want to look out for the girl that is doing it no shame yeah but that is really [ __ ] risky really [ __ ] risky yeah so I wish there was a day where that wasn’t required or necessary yeah I can’t wait for you to start your podcast and for you to share all these tips and tricks uh I wanted to make sure to give you the space to wrap up your best memory that’s best memory thank you thank you for circling that plane back around yeah best memory I actually people who know me know that this is my plot twist my best memory is the day I met my current partner I’m so glad that this is the answer cuz I was like how do I bring that up I still need to bring that up so so um I don’t I want to be protective of his identity so his nickname that I use and I speak of him as Big Daddy and um it’s Adam Sandler I’m just joking I love that movie I call him Big Daddy um for many reasons but um I I wasn’t when I left Colorado I basically um made everybody Friends with Benefits my my current Partners like I didn’t want to maintain any longdistance relationships I didn’t want cuz I was multi-partnered it’s like you know best of luck to you you know move on that type of thing and you know we still stay connected and friends and so on but I wasn’t looking for any relationships because especially when I was Madam I had 18-hour days and just like you know no time for a social life let alone dating and and maintaining relationships and so on so I was not looking I was not it just wasn’t even on my radar but someone someone came in um in the capacity of just getting a drink at the bar they knew they were in a brothel they made it very clear I am not here you know so this is Big Daddy Big Daddy came in he said I I know where I am I’m not here for that I’m just here for a drink um and he got his drink and he and I chatted and then he bought me a drink and we have continued to chat and when I left alien cat house we had been connected um and so on for a good four months and so yes I met the love of my life at a broel and um he’s amazing people who have met him and know him personally are like he’s he just treats me like a queen he’s just a really good man really good man and he supports and endorses what I do because this is my choice and in his love and care and concern for me you know he of course wants to make sure I’m safe and so on but he loves seeing me happy and this work makes me happy he knows why I do it he hasn’t tried to convince me not to do it if that’s what I want to do then that’s what he’s going to support me in doing so yeah Big Daddy that’s awesome I’m so glad we wrapped around to that best memory is the day I met him and we continue to make more memories but he has a lot of respect for what I do and why I do it and for the industry as a whole and I wish everyone could look at it the way he does um this is my profession this is what fulfills me why would you criticize or try to interfere or suppress me from being able to do that so yeah he’s been my biggest cheerleader in doing what I want to do and what’s best for me yeah I will say it does not that anybody cares about my opinion at this point we’re wrapping up the show but I will say it takes some opinion well well you know what I mean but well well when would I say it maybe you’ll know what I mean like I feel like that takes some confidence from his perspective oh God yes as just as a person like putting myself in his shoes like to to I don’t know if I if I would be able to like there is a high emotional intelligence required mhm for people who have loved ones in sex work whether they’re a partner son daughter anything okay people close to us either like it or they don’t either they endorse it or they don’t there’s really no in between there’s there’s yeah so I’ve been fortunate enough to have enough people who love me endorsing it but to have someone who didn’t know me who loves me because I love it and endorses that um he can see my intelligence and he can see the passion that goes into it and and so on and and so his emotional intelligence is absolutely topnotch he is also a very confident man he doesn’t he doesn’t trip about you know what I do like I’ll call him and go dude you’re not going to believe what I just did you know and like I can tell him in detail and he’s just like oh baby I’m so proud of you like I’m so happy you’re happy like it’s a compersion element but the thing is is it does take someone who’s well adjusted well informed um openminded and so on and I hit the jackpot with this one yeah so thanks Big Daddy that’s awesome I’m just only curious that I’m the person that especially with this new show I’m just going to go for it and ask the questions that I want to ask um do would you literally like on the phone be like yeah this guy’s dick was so big and like I was I was able to take the whole like I don’t know just theoretically I mean we could we could call them right now and you can ask them if you want there’s that if he’s still awake but okay well the thing is is I know him well enough to know that he like like okay here’s a great example when I filmed with Brandon Lee Harrington he is an 18-year porn veteran he’s done hundreds and hundreds of of um films okay he reached out and said I’m going to come to Vegas I would love to film with you and I said I’m honored absolutely you know cuz I check basically another man saying I want to [ __ ] you correct and so I called up Big Daddy was like guess what I’m so excited I’m going to be filming and so on and so forth so he was like oh I’m so happy for you I’m proud of you you know that’s great well then um filming day I filmed the scene and there is actually an outake on my PornHub I recently uploaded it the last couple of weeks but it’s basically the camera is rolling by the way it’s uh June 16th 2023 I don’t think I said the date for the record but anyway so a few weeks back I I posted this clip on my PornHub account um basically it was the outtake it was after IID finished I’m you know and and so on but Brandon’s laying there in this chair he is all laid out and he was like oh my God the rumors were true and you could hear him in this video and then he goes I got tears in my eyes like he wasn’t acting he was literally wiping tears and I I I told him now when you get up be careful get up slowly you might pass out and of course he’s like I’m a pro like how like his look on his face was okay that’s a bit dramatic Tori well what’s funny is he got up he was standing up and he toppled over on the bed I know how good I do what I do and what sometimes the outcome can be I’ve had and not to scare anybody it’s just the Head Rush and everything there’s there’s like this a mass amount of pleasure hormones like going through your body so part of the after care is making sure that you’re stable on your feet and and so on so when that happened I couldn’t wait to call Big Daddy I called him and I was like baby guess what I just did this scene and I warned him to to be careful when he stands up because I didn’t want him to pass out and guess what he fell over now I have him on speaker phone Brandon sitting right there Brandon’s laughing and he’s like oh baby he he so he got the full experience and I was like absolutely and so those two started talking and bonding over my head gang like he’s like she’s good isn’t she you know and and and he was and but then Brandon was like you know hey I love that you two work so well together you know her being in porn and sex work and so and you seem like just a really great guy like you you’re on top of your emotional intelligence you know it’s like how do you navigate that so he was like Hey how do you navigate these tricky situations and relationships and and and Big Daddy just said you know what I love her for her not for what she does and not what she can do for me she’s smart she’s kind she’s compassionate she’s ambitious like you know the she just makes me go wow and every day that I get to spend with her is a gift and and to see her flourish and shine and be happy brings happiness to me and so like he just laid it all out and I was over here I’m like oh [ __ ] I’m getting all emotional because he’s telling another man why we work so well together because this man has his own relationship but things get sticky sometimes in this world to have a relationship so I don’t hide anything I I have no need to like I’ll call him and say oh my God you know this thing happened or that thing happened or today you know was frustrating or whatever the case may be um I tell him everything and I can tell him everything cuz he’s not freaking out getting jealous being you know like trying to get me to to to not share or whatever like he just told me about a kink event that he just went to recently you know and I was like oh [ __ ] that was holy [ __ ] I wish I was there I would have loved to have seen it like I endorse him equally okay um I do in-person Kink events and he will like wait for my call when it’s over and I’m like oh my God I made so much money it was awesome I met some neat people I loved meeting the new girls like you know I’ll tell them all about it and how it went um you know or I’d say oh God the air conditioning needs to be you know like a little lower next time you know like my honest and true opinion about my experiences he wants to know what they are or he wants to be there for them or he wants to watch that’s hilarious well Tori you’ve been so generous with your time um did you have fun tonight yes yes and I am so honored that I actually get to see you in the flesh you me and everyone watching and thank you all if you watched this far you’re seriously true heroes for caring about this subject and you know for what we have to say to to have tuned in for this far um it is so so much like it’s such a pleasure to be able to meet you in person um can I ask you fist bump handshake what yeah what do you prefer um thank you so much for uh meeting with me tonight and uh titty flicks I don’t know something yeah anyways though folks I hope you found as much value in this conversation as I did tune in to future episodes of the Cole memo it’s the first thing yes I’m so excited about this yeah that’s the first time I’ve actually said that out loud like in a recording he like history is being made in this moment hold on a second it is the second time the first time was with Tommy Chong so holy [ __ ] yeah so you’ve got that who yeah so you’re the second time the first time was with Tommy Chong spoken you know on the record um but yeah I I met cheich years ago yeah but I haven’t met Tommy yeah I’m I’m kind I I love your life yeah it’s czy do I love your life it’s awesome but no thank you everyone and thank you and I’m so happy to see this yes getting put out into the world thank you for making it happen You’ve Been instrumental in it and I’ve been able to point to you as coming on to be like hey I’ve talked to this person come on and they’re like oh yeah you know what I think was kind of like the spearhead and then it just branched into like you know my friend May and Kiki and like like different people and so on it just kind of like I love being a people connector I really do I’m so glad that we connected and that you’ve been able to take this as far as you have and to the levels you are so congrats good job thank you it’s nice to know you as a friend folks take care all right byebye