The Cole Memo

In this episode, I speak with Denyelle. Denyelle worked at the world famous Moonlite Bunny Ranch, among other brothels. She was known as “the handler”. In this episode she tells us about her working experience at legal brothels, specifically her working experience with notorious legal pimp Dennis Hof.

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years and years working at the brothel has brought me full circle of what I see in the world yeah even even politicians you know even like I I I’ve met a lot of people working there so just watching them in the world evolve today is is kind of odd for me but it’s something I take like that was great great for me to learn that young so yeah are there like some big politicians that I mean you just said seeing people evolve today are there like big politicians in the this like that you’ve seen there um oh yeah and not only there but I’ve uh you know the girls go to see things like that you know when they’re in town they’re visiting doing their whatever they come to visit the girls and Dennis would go out to dinner with them it wasn’t anything that was hidden or not publicized it was all publicized so it wasn’t anything big but I was the person behind the scenes making that happen in this episode of the Cole memo I sit down with and I worked at the Bunny Ranch with under Dennis Hoff for around 10 years a little over 10 years in the office no my nickname was the Handler oh why is that because I handled all the situations that came up yeah what were some of the crazier situ we we mentioned the semi you can see that semi just going right through the fence destroying the place owner Dennis Hoff says five employees 30 prostitutes and 10 customers were there at the time like like a bomb went off in here just like crazy like everything was all shaking what are some crazy situations that have come up that you’ve handled uh well it would be mostly about probably more than one time I will say this a guy has dosed a girl GHP like uh the date D date rape drug and uh my job was to make sure that when the girl came into party that she was you know okay like if they booked the party they paid they paid me in the office and they were okay if I as soon as say the girl put 20 minutes on the clock and I called into the room to say time to rep party the girl didn’t respond to me I would wait another five minutes call into the room time to rep party and she didn’t respond to me I would go in and things sometimes it wasn’t the best deal this is episode number eight in our series on the legal sex industry in Nevada if you like to see all of the episodes that we’ve released to date you can go to thecolememo.com/sex once again that’s thecolememo.com/sex and you can stream all of the episodes that have been released to date folks I just wanted to say that you’ll notice that in this episode my background says the chillino podcast which was the former name for this show that you’re currently listening to the Cole memo so these episodes were released quite some time ago in fact today is December 25th 2023 and I believe this conversation was recorded around November 20th of 2022 so since then the name of this show has changed I just wanted to make that very clear before I sent you into this conversation one other thing that I’d like to make clear is that once again this is the 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I’m Danielle and I worked at the Bunny Ranch with under Dennis Hoff for around 10 years a little over 10 years in the office yep and there it is that’s why we’re talking today so um you know I have been talking about this uh the one thing I’ve been saying and I’m like reflecting on it now and I’m like this is such a Cheesy way of saying it but I’ve been talking about The Good the Bad and the Ugly I think that’s a Clint Eastwood movie um I don’t know it is okay I I’ve been trying to acknowledge what I think is good about the sex industry which just right off the bat and if you have any thoughts on this feel free to take this on I don’t think that we should legislate morality but at the same time I believe that there should be protections for human beings like work work workplace protections because just right off the bat one of the things I’ve found is like the concept of lockdown brothel you know where workers have to stay for at least three weeks and work 24-hour shifts like that literally sounds like a slave Camp so hey folks just wanted to check in here really quick I just made a comment about how this sounds like a slave camp and I think I’ve mentioned this in episodes that I’ve already already aired but in case you missed those episodes I just wanted to say that I don’t know that that character characterization that I just said is completely true um you know if you think about it the point I’m trying to make is that you have to like sleep at the location and wake up when a bell rings and you know jump into action but you could say the same thing about being a firefighter or working in healthcare uh from what I understand those jobs can require you to sleep on s or you know and have to jump at a moment’s notice at a bell so um I wanted to explain where I was coming from with that comment and also kind of walk it back just a bit um I still think there is some validity to the um critiques of the lockdown brothel system which is something I believe we talk about a bit in this episode but definitely in this series so once again if you haven’t watched all the episodes today to go to the memo.com seex enjoy the rest of the episode yes so there’s a little bit of the good and the bad bad for me but I want to just give you the space from your perspective what is The Good the Bad and the Ugly from the sex industry so well I think the good for me was that it was so regulated by the medical uh field as far as being checked for STDs or anything ongoing health issues weekly and monthly which I understand on on also the downside is a huge cost for the ladies so it something that they have to pay for weekly and monthly and then of course yearly to get their license so that that is a huge cost Factor um I think that’s on the upside for me because it is regulated right so it is it is by county and it is by medical facilities and professionals that can tell you what’s going on second I think that uh the ladies are there to make their money you know they they are who they are and I appreciate every single one of them that uh fill their their boots you know they they’re they’re there to make their money go home they have goals some are going through putting their themselves through school with the money some are supporting their families it’s it’s a huge it’s a huge give on their part too sexuality is sexuality right but you have to be more uh in a giving state to be a professional sex worker and then uh I think on the low side in my experience was the amount of debt that the girls would get into because they have to owe the house you owe the house every day for room and board you owe the house if you can’t pay if you don’t have money to pay for those doctor visits you owe the house like you can get so far in debt that you can have several parties parties and not make enough money to cover those debts so you’re always in debt at the house so not only do you have the debt up coming into the brothel which is flying in for most girls driving in whatever it is for the travel then you have the doctor fees right and the licensing fees and then the daily fees of living at the brothel then there’s always the drivers you have to pay the drivers to take you anywhere if you don’t have your own vehicle so there’s a lot of debt that’s occurred while you’re there too and if you don’t make the money or if you don’t have the the regular customer coming in you may not walk out of there with any money you may walk out of there owing the house so that’s the downside for me as far as watch what what I worked with at the Bunny Ranch as far as the girls coming and going is there was a lot of debt that they were in when they worked there and if they didn’t have the big parties or the continual parties from customers coming in then that would mean that they owed and that’s not a good place to be yeah and it’s like when one of the things I saw in a report which I’ll try to include in one of our podcasts um it’s hard for me but I know I’ve got it saved somewhere uh this this reporter great reporter described that you know the sex work is not a monolith and some of these women get into it thinking that everybody can make fat stacks of cash and that is possible for some women that are really beautiful and uh I don’t even mean to say that you have to be beautiful everybody everybody’s definition of beautiful is subjective right so so you could be beautiful in your own way but what you do have to be is ambitious consistent um Innovative to an extent you got to be like online marketing doing podcasts like you know frankly some of the yes absolutely you have to be driven um some of the some of the women the the working girls that sat down with me for this podcast frankly I you know they ad advertise some of their services on my show part of what they’re doing you know not only sitting down and I appreciate them sitting down and taking some of the real questions that I had but they’re also advertising too you know for people that are right a s right it’s just like a sales job and you have your customer base right and so when those customers come in on a regular basis you’re doing really well if you have consistent customers that return for you you’re really doing well in the industry if you do not then you’re not then if you’re not willing to advertise yourself or marketing or get out there in the public eye it’s not going to work for you most of them it does not work that way for them yeah and so the way that that Des that reporter described it uh I think it was a a woman she was like you know there are some women that go and they Thrive at the Bunny Ranch but they could also Thrive at in any escort service across the United States there are some women that go and no matter where they go if it’s the Bunny Ranch or if they go to to an escort service if you’re not driven or ambitious or or if frankly you just get the wrong you know draw of the hand or whatever the saying is you could end up in a really dire circumstance which like you say and some others have said it’s almost like a black hole that you can’t get out of with regard to the debt specifically it it is I mean and I mean some some ladies strict would come to say they were having a hard time and it was um they were maybe in trouble with the wrong person and they would come for protection but they would never make any money because they were there just hiding out basically so therefore they wouldn’t Market theirselves they wouldn’t do anything so they do end up in debt right those are the women that do end up in debt that don’t want to and frankly I mean it’s not as easy as it seems it’s not easy on 12-h hour shifts to get up in those stiletto high heels and walk down those long hallways and get in that lineup and be denied Time After Time After Time and not chosen by the guy like that’s a slap in the face you know so it’s really really hard for a lot of women to establish I guess the two the whether they can be the outgoing person or whether they’re the introvert and that shows when you’re in a lineup right when you’re in a lineup and you’re in front of guys that shows who you are and guys do pick on that men do pick on whether the woman is outgoing or whether she is shy and it just depends on what that man wants sure um so tell me let’s back up a little bit because we Dove right into the discussion that was my bad tell me how did you end up at the Bunny Ranch and tell me again like a tell describe like what your what Your tenure was like well um I ended up at the Bunny Ranch because I had met the Madam at a at my my prior employment she had come in um and we had got we we had been talking and we kind of formed a relationship a a kind of Friendship with each other and um so when I had been uh let go at that job after two or three years I went out and applied at the budy Ranch and she remembered me and she hired me so then I started as the door girl answering the door doing the lineups with the ladies every time a gentleman would come in selling the t-shirts and the merchandise that we sell there um then I went to bartending and then I went into the office and started management and that’s where I took care of all the girls the doctoring the list uh any kind of sheriff registrations that need to go on any kind of legal work that needed to happen in the office with the girl to get ready to work that’s what I would I did for the last probably seven years I was there in the office wow that’s pretty crazy was it Madam susette that um hired you yes wow that’s pretty crazy it’s crazy that I’m like a degree away from Madam susette used to be yes used to it was it was me susette then Dennis right so that’s what it was for the last seven years of my my employment there at the Bunny Ranch yeah well can you tell me like just trajectory wise like what what your time was like I mean showing up like what did you know what you were getting yourself into no not really I mean I knew that it was uh I knew of course it was a broel right I knew what they did there of course everybody does right I mean if if you’re around the area I mean I I am I am you know from Reno so I do know what how what it’s about um but I just thought it was you know I was a single mom I thought this is my one chance I got to do something for me and my kids and it ended up working out with our schedules so my work was good with the schedules and with my children um and then did I know the extent of the things I would see no no I didn’t I have a whole list of things that Danielle did not need to know in her lifetime by working there um but uh was it an education yes extreme education business education etiquette education um legal education yes and it was it did it did I did it cost me nothing you know it didn’t cost me any monetary value but I did learn a lot of things from working with Dennis and susette especially Dennis he was a great educator um unfortunately a lot of people don’t listen to him because he’s the pimp which jennis Dennis was much more than the American Pimp but um very very uh trying to work with he set in his ways you know he had his own had his own deals and as long as you could learn them and do the and do what he needs you to do you were you were good to go to work for him interesting interesting yeah I mean he definitely was skilled at his job like we’re going to show an interview um in one of our final or or you know kind of conclusion episodes if you will um where I kind of wrap up and share my planning to share my final opinions and uh we’ve got a clip and he was def itely skilled at doing interviews and everything else you know what I mean um very intelligent he was very very business savvy and did he have some like crazy ideas yes but I mean a lot of brilliant people have crazy ideas right so he went with his crazy ideas and he had the money to back it and he had the people to back him and he went for it and he lived his life the way he wanted to and that I can honestly say um made me you know I was I was I want to say I don’t want to say proud to work for him but I was like it was something that again as I took a very educational stance on as far as business ideas and the way he did business I really appreciated that education when I worked with him yeah and this may seem unrelated but I I was telling my girlfriend I just thought it was interesting that his from what I can gather his brothel were one of the first places where really no matter what your preference was if you will um there was no judgment there so if you came in and you were gay or if you came in and you were you know this or that or you prefer this thing or that thing or I think he even shared one story where he came in once and some girl had a guy on a chain and she was walking him around the brothel like a dog and he was just like I don’t I’m not going to judge I’m not even going to ask question questions that’s just somebody living their life that’s a normal Friday night normal Friday night yeah was a normal Friday night the the things that um and den you know Dennis before Dennis no women were allowed in the brol right no women were allowed in the broel so Dennis made it he didn’t think that women make up 51% of the universe why would I not take their money if they wanted to come and enjoy theirselves with my beautiful ladies please do so he’s not he’s never he would never ever discriminate and there was plenty of people that appreciated that we had crossdressers would come in we would have people have you know that had their their di their uh sex change they would come in everybody everybody was welcome no one was not welcome and that included the girls like that included who he hired he didn’t he didn’t have a you know if this is what you went for good for you be you yeah yeah so what are some of the what are some of the [ __ ] crazy things you had seen I mean you you alluded to the fact you had a list of things that you shouldn’t know or something like that what are some of the crazy things you’ve seen so I did not need to know working there I mean um just and it’s things that you you don’t you don’t mean to get in the middle of but you do because you’re work in the office and you know you’re the one in charge and so there’s just so many things like uh certain parties that we had got really crazy um you know just I a lot of people that you uh you know how people change once they drink alcohol and they just get crazier and crazier um there’s a few times that some parties happened that uh I didn’t understand the I mean I do understand it but I don’t understand what their preferences were but that’s not my business um but uh like sounding is one thing I don’t understand um Rusty trombones one thing I don’t understand uh yeah there’s like like a whole list of things that I I and I mean I’m not young and I’m I mean a middle age so for me and I and I’m not a Girl Scout by all means because I’ve I’ve had my own you know but certain things I just didn’t need to know just just things you you just you could go through whole your whole life not knowing what that meant you know so um there’s just quite a few I could probably write probably write a good book about the parties that we had what I seen or what what I assisted with which in all fairness they paid for so I wasn’t so you assisted with things you weren’t a sex worker but you assisted with things like bringing things to the room that they needed they would call the office and ask for certain things and I would have to go get them and bring them into them and stuff like that so assisting with the we need more Lube we need this sex toy that se to you got to go you know it just depends on what craziness was happening in the party right so that that things that I did help with but you walk into situations at that point right you walk into things that you’re like this is not happening right now and it is happening like right in front of you and you’re just like I don’t know if I can sleep after this so it it is like I said an education it was an education for me but also one I mean probably still have nightmares about some of and it’s just because it’s not that I’m not open-minded it’s just something I would not choose in my personal life so the fact that it just makes you wonder what happened to these people in their lifetime that made them go this way you know I mean there’s a lot of fetishes right so there’s several where gentleman would come in and just want panties off a girl that’s been working out and they pay for those there’s gentlemen that just come in and want the girl that just worked out to stick their foot down their mouth while they took care of their themselves and they paid good money for this I’m not joking like good money and you’re just like it was a 35 minute party and he’s all happy when he leaves and I’m just like embarrassed for him and I don’t even know what to do you know beside myself but again adults being adults choosing what they’re choosing paying for what they want coming to terms with the girls the girls are Master negotiators right that was one thing Dennis Hoff was was just above everyone else he was just the best negotiator did I did uh have it did get him a long way in life you know and they should have some of them should have listened because they would have gotten more money out of situations but they didn’t but again it’s all about the negotiations that the style that the girls have and um I appreciated actually appreciated the time of learning different so I’m a people Watcher so so learning different styles of people and how they how they work right that that’s my deal so I I really appreciate that time that I had there learning the different styles of people not to say I don’t carry it out to today’s world where I’m in the regular world and I’m looking at people saying oh you’re like this you’re like that oh might be a little judgy now but that’s just you know years and years working at the brothel has brought me full circle of what I see in the world yeah even even politicians you know even like I I I met a lot of people working there so I’ve uh there’s a lot of people that I that I absolutely loved and some people I didn’t care for at all and so just watching them in the world evolve today is is kind of odd for me but it’s something I take like that was great great for me to learn that young so yeah are there like some big politicians that I mean you just said seeing people evolve today are there like big politici itions in the this like that you’ve seen there um oh yeah yeah yeah and not only there but I’ve have uh you know the girls go to see things like that you know when they’re in town they’re visiting doing their whatever they come to visit the girls and Dennis would go out to dinner with them it wasn’t anything that was hidden or not publicized it was all publicized so it wasn’t anything big but I was the person behind the scenes making happen so that was you know just a different different side for me to see yeah you know another person that I spoke to uh torren has said is that there’s just like plenty of drugs uh in the brothel and that you know kind of a lot of [ __ ] up situations with that have you heard or experienced anything with that so my deal was to keep it legal right because it was my my work it was it was my lifeline for my children and I to survive so I was kind of like even though I’m not this person in my personal life I had to be the [ __ ] in that life and make sure that there was no drugs if there was drugs I had to take those drugs I had to give them to Dennis and susette I I was that person so um it unfortunately um it it kind of goes with it it kind of goes with the whole thing right and if and if the girl doesn’t bring it in the guy that’s coming in is bringing it in so it’s just like cuz everybody wants a good time and so they all think good times revolve around drugs and alcohol and sex because that’s what that world is about but um have I have I the things that I’ve dealt with is mostly like not ODS or anything like that but mostly like the girls not taking their um seizure medication because they party too hard the night before I forgot to take that kind of thing that kind of medical emergency kind of thing not like ODS I’ve never really dealt with an OD I’ve never not really not not like that I mean I’ve dealt with obviously marijuana use I’m sure there’s cocaine use definitely meth use but not out in the open to where I would crack down on it I could see a person and say yeah you’re doing dope but I I don’t have any proof so I can’t and I and I I did have I did have the right to go in and search their rooms and their bags because that’s that’s the rules but you know I would try to take the high road on that not not not get too personal that way because it just wasn’t my deal and I don’t you know I I’m not going to be a hypocrite you know I am who I am so uh but they there if if it’s not the girls bringing it in it’s the guys bringing it in and if it’s not the guys bringing it in it’s the girls pimp on the outside bringing it to them so they can sell it to the customers I mean it’s a revolving it’s a revolving door yeah and that’s another thing I was going to ask ask about are is that pretty common you know like the external pimp so what it is too you know with the girls is that they pay 50% to the house of anything they do make right so the girls unfortunately that come in with The Pimps this isn’t the Pimp’s first go around it’s not it’s going to be their third or fourth or fifth or sixth or 10th chick that they have right so but it’s the probably maybe the only one that hasn’t been arrested because you can’t get arrested and get a license for for being a prostitute so and then they would get the other 50% so the girl’s working for free that’s crazy I mean how do is that like do you think that brothel could then be considered maybe hubs for human trafficking oh I wouldn’t doubt that I wouldn’t doubt that um and unfortunately in this area in our area Reno is one of the the highest areas for human trafficking sex workers um I I had had concerns and of course brought them to Dennis and susette and about certain girls and they did work it out or the girls left what kind of concerns would you have I would see things you know like maybe just the way a person would act or shy or not be like giving the correct information or the information that I would think was right for the questions I was asking they were trying to cover something up is what I would feel so I would go to them and tell them my doubts or my fears of what the situation is and then they would either the girl they would either talk to the girl pull the girl in talk to her find out what’s going on and I mean some of the girls didn’t end up leaving so I’m sure that was really the case on some of them you know that that it did happen I didn’t we didn’t go any further because the police would have to get involved Dennis and suette would have got the police involved especially if it was someone that was kidnapped or they had a different identity because everything’s checked out legally right so you have fingerprints everything is done so you you you have to check out 100% to work there and if something’s funky they’re not going to it’s not going to happen they’re not going to cover it up for you they’re not going to lose their multi-million dollar business for that they’re just not yeah yeah that’s pretty uh it’s pretty insane and I want to get back to not losing the multi-million dollar business and just kind of how they’ve got it structured and everything else but one thing I’ve been asking almost everybody that I interview do you agree that a provision that would make the sex industry possibly safer is testing the customer as well you know because condoms are not 100% you know what the thing about being a prostitute is you know the risks you’re taking whether that condom breaks or whether that condom works and a lot of these ladies of course at the brothels have to wear condoms they have to have condoms right but if you look at the ladies on the street they don’t wear the condoms right they don’t most of them don’t especially out here they don’t wear condoms they just go from customer to customer um having a customer tested is not going to be first of all wanted by the customer he’s not going to want to do that he’s in there for a wham bam thank you ma’am see you later he’s not in it for the long haul so I think that uh testing the customers would not be it would not even be feasible just takes too long um I get it I would get a test back in 24 hours for chyia garia would take a few more days um then the blood test would take about you know four days for the blood test to come back whether you had any other diseases damn that would that’s a that’s a long lead time you’d think that there’d be some way to like revolutionize that you know like I don’t knows are actually flowing out of state to be tested and weekly and then there and then it’s not like our local Lab Core does it or anything like that it’s flowing actually I believe to AR still and Arizona does the testing and then we get the results interesting that’s weird it is weird I think it’s just where the the medical facility has their testing done so yeah so if a girl like pops positive in other words she has a sexually transmitted disease she’s sent home and can she ever work again it just would she tests negative or something so usually usually at that point the girl doesn’t have money to go home oh so she would actually have to leave she would have to leave the ranch legally be treated by a doctor and seen seven days later and retested so whether she stays in a hotel room at a friend’s house at another girl’s house whatever she legally cannot be on in brothel property being tested positive sexually transmitted disease gotcha she has to test positive before she can ever return she has test negative test negative negative sorry test negative before she can return and then she’ll be trained uh her shift will be given to her uh that kind of thing gotcha so with regard to like yeah keeping the the the multi-million dollar business or whatever it is um some people have described the business and it’s funny I’m reading an old book called barel Wars which I didn’t even realize it when I checked it out but it’s so far it’s detailing the life of Walter plankington the guy that owned the chicken ranch so it’s interesting to read about this but he threw together a bunch of trailers basically outside of prump um I’ve been told uh by you know multiple accounts I think an account was even included in Dennis’s own book um where somebody described the Bunny Ranch as just an assortment of trailers at the end of a dusty trail um that are falling apart and so on and so forth wor the smell is that accurate is that an accurate description um well considering the law is you cannot demolish the property you cannot start over you have to buy an elite uh um brothel LIC license that’s existing and the buildings are as is so you can add on so yes they are trailers added on and redone inside and out interesting H so they can’t like you you can gotcha so that you can add on as much as you want though as long as you get permits right the building permits but you cannot knock down the existing building it’s illegal they’re like um like especially at the Bunny Ranch right it’s it’s a monument it’s it’s it’s in the history so it’s a historical historical landmark you cannot knock it down yeah a semi ran into it though and almost not were you there I was I yes that was that was my deal I had to deal with all of that plows into the Bunny Ranch brothel near Carson City deputies say it was an intentional crash and the man on your screen is facing a couple charges including assault with a deadly weapon you can see that semi just going right through the fence destroying the place owner Dennis Hoff says five employees 30 prostitutes and 10 customers were there at the time of like like a bomb one off in here just like crazy like everything was all shaking well the man who was arrested was already wanted for another crime and while there is no word tonight on his motive for allegedly crashing into that brothel owner Dennis Hoff has a theory my guess is that he knew it’d be worldwide news if he ran his truck into into a brothel with 35 hot girls in it that’s world famous well damage is estimated at almost a half a million dollars oh [ __ ] was that crazy were you like in the [ __ ] place when semi hit no I was not but I was there by 4:00 a.m. because the nighttime shift manager was freaking out so I had to go in I have so many pictures of inside and out and just the whole day was chaos and the weeks afterwards because of all the structural damage and everything that happened like we started clean up that but it was the police had to come and it was just a huge mess that’s [ __ ] crazy that’s amazing that you were involved with that um wow so the joke I was going to make is what if he would have demolished it but seriously what if somebody demolished the main base are you basically [ __ ] yeah it hurt the structure and we had to put it back to where it was to rebuild so I can actually take you into the Bunny Ranch and show you where it didn’t come together correctly interesting interesting so you walk in and it you just you just just feel like you’re in a trailer no when you walk in uh Dennis you know he made it so you feel it’s a grand entrance right you walk in and it’s all black marble floor and a beautiful chandeliers on the ceiling and uh very expensive looking very nice um I think they’ve redone it since the pandemic though also to make it more of a little Boutique inside susette put her little touch on it after Dennis passed so from what I understand it’s been rest structured inside there a little bit but still you have the front entryway where the girls line up and then you have where the Parlor area where you sit and then the bar and then the office and the rooms gotcha and so I was told that the the buttons that they press that they call Panic buttons don’t actually even call the police is that true like that is correct there’s no police that doesn’t go to the police that goes to the front office and we respond which I have resp responded to several of those so you respond um which you could beat the [ __ ] out of me like you could beat the [ __ ] out of me but like no you could you could but uh like no doubt about itation that’s very heated at that point so it’s best to be maybe with a stun gun or mace is the best what to do to get you out of those situations so you come with that yeah wow damn absolutely yeah yeah guys are drinking guys they get you know something happens the girl says something wrong to them and it’s it’s on like there’s just it’s just what it is right it’s it’s like working in a bar it’s just it’s on so there’s nothing you can do and you have to react yeah it seem sorry I was just going to say it would seem that you wouldn’t want alcohol in the bar and Dennis always talked about how no drugs were involved no drugs were involved but I’m like dude you got a bar in there you know and I mean the bar he did price it pricey don’t get me wrong but if you’re coming to have a good time you know like when I go out to have a good time I don’t care if I spend two $300 at dinner I’m gonna have a good time but I mean $2 or $300 of the brothel is not going to get you even a [ __ ] so it doesn’t matter it might get you a hand job and that’s it like there’s no sexual there’s no contact for $300 or $400 the brothel starting price usually is you know around 500 for a [ __ ] not even the Intercourse there’s no intercourse included with that or the girl gives you a strip sh something like that something simple so the gentleman at that point if there’s something going wrong in the room he’s upset you have to diffuse the situation you know yeah and I mean they have to go for that high price because if they’re taking 50% and they want to be able to pay for room and board and stuff I I say high price like I don’t even I don’t mean to quantify it but $500 if you think about it for folks that are listening that’s that would technically be coming home with 250 but minus Bo right yeah the doctors so the doctor’s weekly when I worked there weekly was 150 bucks then monthly because they had to have blood drawn it was like 270 so then it goes up from there right because then you have to when I quit working there to get my I had to have a sheriff card in Lion County to work there as the manager it was $100 a year and I had one at each brothel that Dennis owned and that would come out of my pay so you had to have a sheriff’s card to to just work there interesting fingerprint every year what did it say on yours manager oh it didn’t say like boss [ __ ] or something like that I’m just joking no my nickname was the Handler oh why is that because I handled all the situations that came up yeah what were some of the crazier situ we we mentioned the semi what are some crazy situations that have come up that you’ve handled uh well it would be mostly about probably guys who like to uh a lot more than one time I will say this a guy has dosed a girl GHB what’s G be sorry like uh the date date rape drug and uh my job was to make sure that when the girl came into party that she was you know okay like if they booked the party they paid they paid me in the office and they were okay if I as soon as say the girl put 20 minutes on the clock and I called into the room to say time to rep party the girl didn’t respond to me I would wait another five minutes call into the room time to rep party and she didn’t respond to me I would go in and things sometimes it wasn’t the best deal sometimes it was not a good deal and um it was um for me it was sad because I’m a mom so I would think of it as my child and um I would have to get the guy out of there get the police whatever I had to do to take care of that situation I would take care of it so that was the Handler I also booked all girls flights I booked Dennis’s flights I booked suzette’s outings I booked you know the cars I kept the schedules of all the drivers I handled everything so I was the Handler wow girl jail they were out and they went to jail when they weren’t at the Bunny Ranch we got them out of jail that kind of thing like just Dennis took care of the girls even if they weren’t working at the time he still took care of them if they got in trouble he still would help them so things like that just all around handled everything yeah and so when you I mean it sounds like you literally was it like several do you have several rapes that you stopped I mean that’s I don’t uh I wouldn’t say well in my time I mean I would say that I would say more than my fair share that I would have liked to have dealt with and angry men um you know abusing the girls just you know sometimes things go bad right especially when there’s alcohol involved and things get messy and there’s a few times I definitely escorted people off the property and then called the police or got him out the front door Dennis I have a fantastic story about one time Dennis helped me and um I I laughed about it today but it scared the crap out of me during that day right I was scared like it was like I can’t believe this happened and um but Dennis was he’s he was funny in his old way that he would he’d come in in the mornings to have breakfast in the kitchen cereal with bananas and stuff you know and so he would come in and sit down and watch the news in the kitchen and one morning we had uh an early morning um party and something went didn’t didn’t happen right I don’t know if it was because the girl was up all night drinking because I was fresh on shift or whatever but the guy absolutely was just taking advantage of the girl and I and I went and I and I went to Dennis Dennis this is something’s wrong something’s wrong and so him and I went down to the room together and he literally picked the guy up naked off the girl and threw him out into the hallway and took all of his clothes and threw him over the fence and told him to get out and I I mean he was laughing like he thought this was fun you know and I did not think it was fun but you know he was doing his Cowboy act so he was having a good time but he he rescued her and that’s what he’s there for right and he gave me a high five s this is how we do it you know and I’m like no Dennis no no I don’t want to do this like I you know this is not cool to me you know so but yeah but that I mean now that now that was funny no harm came to anybody you know that day because we stopped things in time but for him it was like yeah I’m a cowboy you know it just it was funny he was wearing his cowboy boots his silk pajama shirt and a cowboy hat and I just I will always have that picture in my mind of him and it just makes me and he was just so happy that he got to do it you know he was just so happy that he got to protect and I don’t know it was it was funny it was was kind of it was it was it’s funny now it wasn’t funny then sure sure yeah I wish I would have been I’ve been I’ve said this a view times now I wish I would have been doing this project while he was still living because I already know he would have come on the show you know because he was that type of person that’s what he loved to do he loved to do that yeah yeah so um well we’ve talked about a lot of uh excuse me it’s the weed um we’ve talked about a lot of different things um I think you know uh it’s a crazy line of work um are there any other instances you know part of what I’m talking about like I said I would like I do not believe that we can legislate morality but I want to also acknowledge that maybe the way that Nevada does it which you know they’re the only state in the United States that’s doing this um at least legally you know I know New York I believe just decriminalized it but that’s not legalizing it so um if if we’re going to do this anywhere else if we’re going to copy and paste what’s going on in NADA to let’s say chinois um you know what what would we change and so um you know a few things we’ve already talked about is lockdown brothels definitely I think that’s worth like disbanding alog together it’s crazy I actually learned that I didn’t know this in earlier episodes I I have gotten the impression that some brothel do it because they feel that it’s a liability to let the girls leave or whatever because then they could do you stuff on the side and then their tests wouldn’t be valid or whatever um but I actually found out that some do it because it’s the county regulation like to be lockdown and I was like that’s [ __ ] crazy correct and when Dennis bought the brockles down south uh one of the things that we thought was uh really and between Dennis and suette talking about this we just thought that was really just outlandish was the fact that they had uh put siding on all over the windows on the brel that Dennis had bought so there was no windows to look out the girl couldn’t leave because NY County will not allow them to go out you know they’d have to be retested before they came back in if they were gone for four hours out of the house and that kind of thing and then when Dennis bought the brothel down south from Joe Joe had had all of the windows buttoned up by the siding on the outside of the brothel so that was one of the first things Dennis removed because there’s just no way that that should happen like if you’re going to have Windows you need Windows like you know you got to have it open and he couldn’t do anything he did try to change the laws down there as far as that goes but he couldn’t change the laws down there so um that was part of the reason why he was running for you know he was running for the politician side because he wanted to change things in Nevada but it just wasn’t going to work out they’d been set in stone for so long but yeah the counties actually do not some of the counties do not allow it and of course that they don’t allow outdates but lion County allows out dates so that’s you know that’s where we’re coming from with that but NY County would not allow out dates so you couldn’t go out on a date with your customer to the casinos or to a show or dinner anything down there you can’t do that yeah that’s that’s interesting very interesting um yeah so so lock down brothel uh food that’s something we haven’t talked about yet tell us about the food so the food at the Bunny Ranch was kept uh we had steamtables and we had a cold table so the steam table is what his restaurant would bring in every night and every morning for breakfast he had nv50 across the highway a Highway 50 and the kitchen was purely there to feed the brothel so all the ones down on Kit Kat Lane and the ones on the one on Bunny Ranch Boulevard he would have the guys cooking over there they’d bring them all in Steam trays they put them in the steam table they’re very Bland there was no flavor there was no spices Dennis tried to keep it with everybody’s diet um there was always a 24-hour salad bar the salad bar had we would as employees we would have to refresh every every shift or as something ran out and we would have backup for that underneath the salad bar for the the lettuces the spinaches whatever the girls wanted that they requested for salad bar Dennis would have for them there and we would just refill it as we went um that wasn’t that bad the steam table was extremely just blah um but when I worked there every Sunday that I worked the girls got a home-cooked meal because I would literally stop and get the food myself and bring it in and cook it for them so they felt a little bit better about being where they were if they were having a hard time also I mean you know you have guests and when a taxi driver would come they would sit back in the they would bring clients in they would sit back in the kitchen and have sandwiches or dinner or whatever they would get um guests so many guests Ron Jeremy um I could just go down the line of how many guests have eaten there and just uh then you get then you get worried about you know what’s touching what right because you don’t you don’t know where their hands of been last time they wash their hands so that’s where you can get a little concerned about what might be left behind yeah why would you be concerned about Ron Jeremy’s hands yeah why would you because he’s disgusting yeah yeah we talked about that did you see any of that I definitely heard about some really crazy [ __ ] with him yeah I’ve seen plenty from Ron Jeremy that uh absolutely set me sick a few times so he uh definitely just had uh had his way too long in the world I think he’s definitely where he needs to be in my opinion yeah he should have been there um I’ve heard you know some really crazy [ __ ] like Ron was physical with the women um I heard that the Lakers owner which was a friend of Dennis’s beat the [ __ ] out of a woman um yeah a lot of stuff goes on that isn’t publicized that’s been kept out of the media that um they handled internally if you want to say it that way uh but then there’s also been times where girls have gone to the cops and told them you know and it is on record so I always was honest about everything when they would come to question me I mean I got really lucky a lot of the times it wasn’t my shift so I wasn’t even on the property I’m not going to lie to you like I got super in my book I got lucky because I the less I know the better off I am uh so I really thought that uh I got I lucked out on quite a few of them because I worked the day shift right so the day shift was way different than the night shift and um I think that there’s a lot of stories that unfortunately unfolded at night I mean you know we’ve had a few rappers come in and treat the girls bad bad bad bad bad um and of course if you’re if you’re a musician which Dennis had a lot of friends um you were protected in a way still wasn’t given an excuse to do it it’s not okay but it was handled in a different way I can say that yeah so I mean yeah I’ve heard that I don’t know if I’m trying to think of what I’ve heard with regard to that I feel like I’ve heard cuz you said rap stars I feel like riff rafh is a rapper that heard that there were issues with Bad scene what’s that that was a bad scene I was working that party what what happened just he got physical with the girl because he thought you know he’s RI R so he he’s RI R so that’s it and he could do what he wants and you’re you’re just a hooker so you got nothing on me and that’s his personality that’s just who he is but the girl also had a big personality right so it clashed and it just turned out bad and he did get physical with her and she did press charges so that was that was I didn’t see the I mean they were in the room when they got physical with each other so it wasn’t like I was right there in front of them but I was working that I was working that night to where I came in after the fact so yeah yeah so yeah um one of the other questions I wanted to ask you was um you mentioned uh Den got the brothel from Joe is it Joe confor or is that somebody else no was Joe I don’t remember Joe’s last name he’s super old guy down there that owned all the brothel uh down in prump and down in Amarosa Valley down there in by Vegas I don’t remember what his last name was something real simple though but it wasn’t Joe con it was someone else it was another gentleman who might have bought them from Joe 40 though I’m not because this guy was old old guy so um I don’t even know if he’s around anymore but I mean you know um that was that was an interesting time to buy all those brothel down there and then to redo them a lot of construction Dennis really did put a lot of heart and soul into redoing them making them better yeah so I want to get back to a question that that uh we I feel like stepped away from a bit um just again yeah what what do you think should change before we would do a copy and paste I mean you you’ve been in Reno your entire life so it’s kind of would I would you would it be accurate to say it’s kind of normal for you that these things are around you know all my life right all my life it’s always been a red light district so uh with and then uh not knowing the world you know that we’re not the only ones right in other countries it’s legal uh the things that I think I would change is definitely the way the house works not so much the laws around it but I you know like I said the positive is the medical um but maybe the way that the house works in the way of the fees and the cost and the making money hand overand um I do believe that if a guy is going to go to the brothel he’s looking for a good experience but not every guy has the money and so there might be other things that are offered different um and of course that the condom wear is something that is that it needs to stay in place for everybody so I would think that that would be probably just I would think the way that that the the fees the money maybe the way that was handled should be maybe a little different than what’s going on out there but you know that was the norm for them yeah what do you think should be different I mean like for example I’ve heard like people say like you know people like Air Force Amy who have been doing it for literally years but she and she probably I don’t know but she probably charges like outrageous fees because it’s like a novelty at this point to [ __ ] Air Force Amy and so um but the fact that she probably I mean she definitely still gives half right so it’s like at what point you know do you get a [ __ ] break yeah no she and she she would never get a break as long as she’s there no one will ever get a break while they’re there it’s always going to be half and it’s always going to be these fees and it’s always going to add up and I mean with air course she has returned customers she has people that want to see her on a regular basis that pay good money you know that’s why she drives the Mercedes and she you know she lives off a golf course you know what I mean like this she she has that that rapport with her clients um and that’s one reason why they keep her around right because she can bring in the money but she’s never going to get a break as long as she’s there no one will ever get a break it’s a doggy dog world at the broel it really is yeah so so with that in mind like again you say we should change the house D Dynamic and stuff like what’s the answer you know I just think that a different flow I mean the flow that they have uh when I was there which was you know 2018 was my last year there so uh when I was there um it was like really really stressful for the girls coming in and really like overwhelming and there was no C there was no like you know comforting there was nothing like that there and it’s very cold business so I think that maybe making it a little bit warmer atmosphere and not so trying to come in and I know that you’re a prostitute and I know that that that it’s a brothel but maybe play down the judging a little bit and not be right in your face with the uh the bullying because there’s a lot of bullying um and a lot of uh mean comments and a lot of body shaming going on from management so I would think to make it’s more of a round there has to be some kindness involved I understand their processes I understand it’s a brothel but there’s also kindness and that’s where I got mixed emotions when I worked there is because I’m I’m a I’m a kind person by by by my soul I’m not I’m not a mean hateful person yeah what do you it was it a lot of bullying a lot of meanness a lot of body shaming um I’ve heard of other managers uh going in and cutting girls hair hair because they don’t like the way they look first of all you should never be able to touch another person like that that’s not okay that kind of thing was it was condoned and I don’t think that that should be that way you’re already already in a tough business you’re already giving your body you’re already trying to make this money because there some reason there’s a reason why you’re there kindness would be I think one of the main things that would make it go around better I think would be better for the girls coming in maybe they would give more if they didn’t feel so bad yeah that’s very well said you know and and something that I I feel like that sentiment was even shared by some of the working girls that that I spoke with you know um you know the way they kind of phrased it was like cuz we were talking about the power differential between the brothel owner and the sex worker and how it seems like the sex industry is set up to protect the um the brothel owner and the customer more than it is the sex worker and that’s why I asked the question about um you know sexually transmitted do you think that the men should be um tested because again in that way I think that the sex industry is like you I mean you kind of even said it you’re like look they’re in sex so they’re engaging in that risk they are you know and I don’t know I just feel like I get what you’re saying though as far as being realistic like most of them are coming there and you know you have to look at the Topography of the men coming in right you have to think of where they’re coming from they could never have had sex before in their life with another person which is actually a large number of men coming in there um so to have that first and then you have to be tested they’re not ever going to follow through because they’re already freaking out about coming in sure sure I mean I mean there is that are very well versed in sex but then again there’s the condom so right and so but I guess what uh what some of the you know the perspectives from the people that are currently in the industry or formerly was like you know maybe a brothel that is owned and ran by the working girls themselves uh themselves but it just seems like the county regulations are set up so that you have to be very capitalized in order to and by that I mean for for listeners like you got to have a bunch of money um for the yearly fees excuse me the taxes um and and everything else so sure and the insurances and everything because you have to carry all of that on it to be open insurance insurance oh yeah yeah you had to have you have to have full insurance when when um like a brothel owner he has to have insurance on everything so Dennis would probably spend at least a 100,000 uh probably every three months for each brothel that he owned for fees and that would include broel license liquor license everything insurances um State coming in they have to check you if you have a bar they have to give you an a to pass the health health you know Department there’s a lot going into to owning a brothel then you have the state side the state side has to come in and they have to approve everything and they have to okay all of those licenses right and you have to pay for that as an owner are they actually making that much money or they can pay for that or is is does that explain for the the deteriorating effects that people report at the brothel deterioration because the as it like so when I started in 2007 completely different than when I left in 2018 as far as what was coming in the door right as far as the money as far as the parties the amount of the parties as far as the bar bill when I first started and I was bartender I’d have $1,000 bar bar a night when I left it was less than 200 a night so the bar is not making money you know there I there’s a decline because people just don’t see the reason why they should go out there and spend that money there’s just no reason for it when you can just there’s no reason to go out and you have the brothel experience if you can’t afford it because it’s not going to be a cheap experience it’s not going to be a cheap night so what do people do they just go hit up the street I mean there’s plenty of girls only fans there’s all kinds of stuff to do nowadays you don’t have to hit the Bro up they go to other countries I know people that go to other countries and get it cheaper even with their flight in their room interesting you know it’s funny I ask what do they do uh I could hear like my mom or dad in my head in my head saying they get a [ __ ] girlfriend or something like that but uh but the reason I asked that is some people actually one of the sex workers explained that some people have figured the way that they do the math they’re like courting a girl getting them to go out on a date and what it costs to drive to that date get them to that date pay for that date all on the hopes that they may have sex with them versus just paying for a girl to have sex with them they know like they are going to spend that money and that they will definitely have sex with them you know okay sure definitely have sex with them but nine times out of 10 that guy can’t get it up that’s funny that way once a guy is under that much pressure he just cannot perform and that’s why there’s no men’s men broles because of that because a guy can’t perform on a dime a lady can so that’s interesting I’ve been wondering this whole time it’s funny it’s been right in front of me this whole time yeah I’ve been wondering why the the the male brothel weren’t a thing I’ve been asking some of the sex workers that it is because of that because trust me I would have went there at that time like I would have totally invested myself in a male brothel and ran that male brothel because I do believe that pimping out men is way funner than pimping out women but I am a woman so you know what what do I know but uh Dennis made it very clear to me men cannot perform on a dime women can so he’s right he was right he knew that and he was right I’m Mar you’re right he did try it right he did try over at the Kit Kat he did bring some men in and he did try it he did get that license and he did get that approved by the county but it didn’t work out so the guys just were you around when that happened yeah I was working there when that happened absolutely yep I was running the Bunny Ranch when they opened the kick Kat with men there was two men one straight one gay so the business just wasn’t good with them they they were they couldn’t the thing about women wanting the sex act and men wanting the sex act are two different things women want the experience they want the whole booa the man seducing the whole act right men just want wham bam thank you ma’am I’m out so there’s different there’s a different appeal it takes much longer for a man to be able to wool woman than a woman to woo a man so it’s just that it was that it was exactly that so the the straight guy that was working you know he would uh charge you know a lot of money but then and and we could have worked it out to where we had all kinds of women flying in to be with him but he couldn’t woo he couldn’t entic the woman to spend the money um and the gay man that was working there he you know um really it’s such a small little area that there wasn’t really an attraction for that in that small little area you know so it was it it was it was it was it was feudal but it was like a fun little adventure to see how it really would pan out and Dennis proved to me that you know it it’s not going to work out either way so interesting interesting well um one of the last few questions that I have to ask you that I’ve just been asking people that are close to Dennis cuz like I just felt like it was like crazy timing that that like his passing uh you know people might say it’s untimely but I have seen theories on the internet that that obviously you know whether or not they’re true is is one thing but uh they say that it wasn’t a coincidence that he died have you heard anything like that um I’ve heard some things like that I also know how sick Dennis was right because I was there I got his medication I gave it to him I I cleaned up after Dennis I know very personal things about Dennis that other people don’t don’t know not even the girls and I do know he was not a very healthy man and he burned the candle at both ends and he was going full force and that’s who he was going to be that’s just who he was so I think he just wore himself out and I think that you know he lost quite a few people and animals in his life that he was very close to and I’m not sure that he had the will to go any further than what he did the fact that he made it to the age he made it at was a miracle he was not a health man he just wasn’t and it was getting worse yeah yeah I mean yeah I heard that he had like diabetes and I mean frankly he looked really skinny towards the end of his life we had one of the Hell’s Kitchen chefs on that cooked for him the the last day that he was alive what’s that Robert uh no Heather Heather yep yeah but she talked about uh I think Robert and there was another one maybe I don’t know yeah and she said she was friends with Zach um which that’s a you know yeah she she had claimed that Zach uh on on the show that we had that that Zach had aired like concerns about Dennis’s passing and when I Google Zach’s name one of the one of the results that comes up is uh Dasha killed Dennis says Zack hes um and then of course I found out that Zach died um yes he he did unfortunately yeah what were you gonna say though sorry before I said that well you know Dennis he he had been sick for years it wasn’t it wasn’t anything new was getting bad like I told you when I left in 2018 it was it was it was bad it the diabetes had gotten the best of them I’m going to tell you that right now and um and then of course with the partying and the food and um the sex and the Viagra and everything rolled into one it it was it was a disaster it was a recipe for disaster there’s just no way around it and I’m surprised he hung on for as long as he did I’m not going to lie to you because the things that I I have seen and um dealt with working for Dennis Hoff uh you think of uh just no one should have ever seen it it just it’s not healthy and I will never say what exactly had happened but um my heart did go out to him and that’s where my kindness kicked in and I was kind of like that’s what kind of make me obsolete there because I was just not the person to be that cold-hearted so yeah so you’re saying something you you had seen something happen that that you’re not willing to to speak about like more than one yeah it’s um and it’s not nothing that’s not known in the world but it’s just something that I don’t want to disrespect his yeah I’m not trying to push it or anything but is it just like normal with people with diabetes that just don’t like take care of themselves or I so you don’t think so I think I think he was pushing himself uh very hard and he wanted to be that young guy again um and I think that upping the medication wasn’t helping anything and I think that playing with his heart the way he did the things that he did I don’t think was very conducive to living much longer than he did really don’t gotcha so you don’t yeah you’re not thinking there was any Foul Play involved with his passing yeah well first of all well okay yeah right because says um do I think that she meant to harm him not intentionally I really don’t think it was intentional I think that um it happened and there was no going back uh but do I think it was intentional on her part I really don’t think that I think they were just having a good time and with their partying like she was there with him they were partying they were doing things and from what I understand he just his heart gave out right so it was just too much at one time too much excitement for the last time that’s what I think yeah but I don’t mean to like make you explain things for another working girl but why didn’t she just say that you know like she like definitely told a different story you know and of course she’s going to try to make herself look different right I mean either as the hero or the villain either way you’re going to get your 15 minutes of fame well no I was going to say that she yeah she said she was claiming she was been made out to a villain that all the girls were being real mean to her saying like oh you killed Dennis you killed Dennis but then others have said like it was suspicious like she she definitely didn’t tell the accurate or like what you just talked about and then she like left like went really far away and nobody could contact her for a long time and like look I’m when somebody dies in front of you I’m sure that like it’s [ __ ] crazy but I don’t so I it’s hard for me to like like try to be like this doesn’t make sense well it’s hard to like say that when somebody just died in front of you like that you know yeah and who he was right so who he was and he was he was a very you know in his own world right he was a very powerful guy right and so when you take when you’re involved in that you’re like [ __ ] you know and so I think that uh I I honestly don’t think it was on purpose I really don’t whether it was a bad batch of whatever they were partying with or Dennis’s heart just had enough he had you know he had a lot of things he was doing at that time like all of his medication was a heavy duty diabetes medication it wasn’t for the faint of heart he had been diabe years you know every day I see Dennis pull his shirt up and put that needle into his pancreas and and give himself a shot several times a day you can’t party like that you know what I mean you can’t you’re not GNA live so the fact that he did live as long as he did wow just wow so I’m not sure that there was any foul play with that I really don’t think it was if there was it wasn’t on purpose I don’t I don’t really see it that way uh but what I wasn’t there right so what do I know sure did you say bad batch do you think I’ve heard people say they were doing cocaine that night do you think I think that’s what was going on I whether Dennis was doing the cocaine that night and she was doing the cocaine or it got mixed up or it got slipped to him or he was doing I’m not sure what was happening but I’ve also heard the same thing there was a lot of partying going on that night in the room um and um but he was as far as I know alone when it happened she wasn’t in the room so that’s my understanding but I could be wrong she did walk back in on him and he was no longer alive but I’m not sure exactly what happened but I you know when I went to his funeral because out of respect for working for him for so many years I did go to his funeral um I saw you know a lot of different people with a lot of different stories but none of them were there so what do we know folks I really want you to hang on to those last words uh nobody was there so what do we know you know I think that’s pretty powerful because uh yeah I’ve heard many different um theories about Dennis Hoff’s death um I’ll be honest just off the hip I definitely thought there would be more to this entire thing um but you know I’ve talked to several people around this and I definitely encourage you to check out the video that I referenced um if you Google Dasha killed Dennis says Zack hes you can find I will display my screen right now um for two different reasons but first all will display this if you Google Dasha killed Zack hes you will be able to find that article that I displayed here it is it’s on 360 news Las Vegas um and the entire 53 minute interview is up where Dasha Dar actually responds to um Zach hes allegations um so definitely check that out and look into it I will just say that everybody that I’ve talked to it does seem to be a consensus that he just was unhealthy and uh that the cause of death was natural to that end here is the autopsy report where it does say you know his cause of death or manner of death was natural the cause of death are these symptom or these conditions that I am displaying on the screen right now I’m going to read them for comedic value so that healthc Care Professionals can laugh at my mispronounce pronunciations uh I probably just mispronounced that anyways acute myocardial infarction due to the atheros scerotic and hypertensive cardiovascular disease other significant conditions include diabetes Mel mellitis and obesity so you know um I’m not I about said as much as I wanted it to be some spicy story I don’t wish you know anything bad on anybody um but when you hear about something like this I can’t help when you hear about somebody a freaking pimp basically running to be a politician and then all of a sudden he dies and then his assistant dies and then I heard some rumor that I’ve not been able to verify uh that his pilot died um it just sounded like you know the typical conspiracy theory so I just wanted to explain very quickly that W I think I think what Danielle said before I send you back into this episode is perfectly is the best way to put it nobody was there and so we don’t know but for all intents and purposes it seems like this death was a natural death that that you know there wasn’t any Foul Play involved with regard to like you know somebody purpose purposefully trying to kill this person enjoy the rest of the episode we talked about riffraff uh Lamar odm um you know or we didn’t talk about Lamar Odum but Lamar odm is another you know well-known celebrity folks if you don’t know what happened with Lamar odm you can just search it up and Dennis has given hourong interviews about it so you can find out about the yeah um I’m just curious you know if you feel uncomfortable uh with with this question it’s okay but with with this comfortable as you are can you name drop some heavy names that have come into the brothel I’m just curious well I mean like there’s people that have been as long time friends like uh Dan Hagerty used to be gentle Ben back in TV show back in the 80s the 70s and 80s one of the nicest people I’ve ever met in my life yeah um of of course there’s you know like the rock stars that have come in uh you know Five Finger Death Punch came in one time and visited us on tour you know that kind of thing there’s lots of bands that’s been in um you know there’s also been like uh there’s been like Tucker car Carlson’s been there you know they he’s talked to Tucker Carlson did he did interviews he didn’t procure women did he right no yeah no but he came in and he was there like when we had festivities and stuff not that I know of that he went back with anybody but he definitely was there talking to Dennis and seeing what was going on you know and of course I mean there’s all all kinds of people would come in just to see of course what was going on right I mean there’s plenty of people that came in to see comedians you know because he his one of his best friends is one of the top comedians you know so who’s that uh Bob zuda Bob zuda he would come in frequently and stay with us Ron Jeremy of course was there a few times um CH the wrestler she was really good friends with Dennis and one of the sweetest Souls I’ve ever met very sad about her passing uh things like the people like that like um you have uh a gladiator the wolf wolf man Gladiator he was also he would come in on the parties things like that just people like that would come in and visit Dennis stay for the parties and leave you know Dennis always had fantastic birthday parties so he would do that they would come in and you know hang around and see what’s going on yeah well um this has been really fun I I don’t know I’d love to do this with you again I hope you’ve had a good time chatting with me today great yeah good deal uh good deal um it’s just so interesting to hear about uh the job that you had and like I said I’d love to chat with you again in the future I’m sure I can think of other questions you know it’s just coming from what I usually talk about and what I do on a day-to-day basis it’s like totally different from what you saw dayt day so it is it was an experience like I said right it was an education for me that I’ve taken to heart and I’ve and I’ve uh used uh my knowledge in uh furthering my you know my work career and stuff like that in different in different areas you learn a lot there and you just take what you learn and put it in your life where you can use it so that’s what I’ve done but love talking to you anytime you want to talk more if you have any more questions you think of I’m more than willing to answer for you yeah well absolutely I guess one one last question I forgot to add like did we formally say how how and when you got out of the business uh susette let me go oh January first January 1st 2018 because I reacted to her bullying another employee and it was about the fifth or sixth time that I’d lost a good workmate because of her AC because she’s she’s that person and um I couldn’t handle it anymore after 10 years going on 11 years I just had enough and I had and I was as I got older I just turned into a different person and I I couldn’t hold it in anymore and I stood my ground and when I stood my ground I got let go what she what was she doing uh she was very verbally and physically abusive to my bartender who was a male and he actually walked off the job because of per abuse and I was just like okay um and he’s still working there he went back to work for them but they let me go after I stood up for him and that’s fine that’s great do what you need to do but I couldn’t have lived with myself if I didn’t react the way I did so yeah and sorry I know I said I was we were wrapping up but you mentioned bullying and stuff earlier so that made me think uh yeah well kind of what we kind of the things that she or he or they would say to the girls in bullying fashion well just you know like you could have wore this different you could be this you could do your hair this way or they would get their hair done that way or they could or they would get a spray tan because they were too white or they had to wear specific clothing and shoes and look a a certain way and walk a certain way yeah and just like Take The Girl completely out of her safe Zone to make the girl what they wanted yeah your dog had something to say about it did her name precious she always has something to say and so yeah it’s just it was after a while after 10 years it got to me and I couldn’t do it anymore because I just turned into a different person I grew into a different person and I just couldn’t keep my mouth shut anymore and I wasn’t wanted anymore because I couldn’t keep my mouth shut so it was probably best um taking a few years to you know deal with the PTSD of working there because literally there was and I was physically ill and my doctor said I needed to uh Go a different way also because it made me sick literally physically sick yeah work and and dealing with their Shenanigans every day is what I’ll say so did you deal with bullying amongst the girls I heard like sometimes girls would slip bleach and other in the shampoo try to sabotage each other and there were some cases where shampoo didn’t end up being shampoo um you know um um there was some you know not so much physical B bodily harm but maybe cars and stuff stolen and things like that that you would have to watch and there’s cameras all over the Bunny Ranch so you see everything going on so um but things like that did come up especially with girls being um thinking they’re better than what they really are and then taking on the new little girls coming in if they felt threatened right so that always yeah no matter where you go whether it’s a college whether it’s a high school whatever right still that stuff’s going to happen when it comes to caddy women and if this one woman was being built up by Denis suette oh you’re the star this woman was getting jealous of that and then there was a clash that happened all the time there’s a couple fights on HBO that were hilarious in person I’m not going to lie to you um but they were true fights they weren’t made up they were like not staged they were real fights wow so if you ever get to watch show right you’ll see a couple shows in there a a couple of the scenes and they’re real fights they’re not made up like I was there I was I was in the background so I’ve got we we bought the whole season of the whole collection of cat house so I’ll have to look out for you yeah I you won’t see my face but you’ll hear my voice and you’ll see my hands taking money and stuff in the office and maybe in the background running around I did seven seven or eight episodes that’s crazy that’s crazy well I would I’d love to talk to you about that and stuff but maybe we can save that for the next time maybe we can talk about cat house the next time cool sure what want to do just let me know I’m here sounds good well hey thank you so much uh for sitting down with me and I hope that uh you enjoy the rest of your evening and stay in touch I’ll I’ll be reaching out to you uh to uh yeah have another chat I really appreciate your time you’re welcome Cole have a good night you too take care