In this episode, Torrey Lisa calls me from a brothel as part of my series on Legal Sex Work in America. This is episode 2 in that series. Torrey is a licensed sex worker. She does online sex work, including modeling and pornography. She also works full time at a licensed brothel in Nevada. In this episode, we talk about the legal sex industry in Nevada. You can connect with Torrey at TorreyLisa.com.
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welcome to the Cole memo I’m your host Cole Preston this is episode two in my series on the legal sex industry in Nevada what I’ve been calling the legal sex industry in America if you haven’t checked out episode one please do it’s only 8 minutes long and if you’d like to find it there’s a link in the episode description for today’s episode which will redirect you to episode one once again it’s only8 minutes and it sets up why exactly I’m talking about this you can also go directly to the co memo. /ex to access episode 1 and all other episodes that have been released to date if you’ve seen episode one you know that in today’s episode episode two we are featuring the perspective of Tor Lisa fun fact about Tory Lisa that she mention mentions in this show right now I’m displaying an invitation that she received from the White House from Michelle Obama and Dr Jill Biden they requested the pleasure of her company and here is photographic evidence of her company this is the individual I interviewed Tori Lisa and you can see Michelle Obama and dror Jill Biden so uh this is the individual we are interviewing today another thing that this individual mentions about today’s show is that they are followed by a former president and here is some photo photographic evidence of that that’s from their Twitter folks you’re listening to the Cole memo every episode of Co memo is released an audio video and transcript format to find the transcript audio or video version of any episode please refer to the description of the episode that you’re listening to now within that description you can find a link that will take you to our website which will display the transcript for this episode and the platforms where you can find this episode in audio or video formats if you’re unable to locate the episode description on whichever platform you’re listening from Simply note the episode number and visit the memo.com from there you can find the corresponding episode and then you will be able to access the audio video and transcript version of that episode you might also find any links that we reference during the episode so that you might be able to do your own research if you’re not listening to this episode of the Cole memo on patreon then you’re listening to this episode later than our patrons to become a patron go to the memo.com patreon once again that’s the co memo.com Pat o n it’s a great way to support our show but one of the best ways to support our show is absolutely free subscribe to or follow our show leave a positive review from wherever you’re listening to us from favorite this episode give it a thumbs up leave a comment or post a review your engagement and support is appreciated today is December 2nd 2023 the interview showcased in today’s episode was released on October 22nd 2023 um so one of the things I want to make clear before I get into this episode is that first of all you can connect with today’s participant by going to Tor lisa.com once again Tory Lisa is in this episode and you can connect with her by going to Tory lisa.com that’s t o r r y l i s.com and I wanted to make it very clear that it’s been made clear to me by both Tori and her former employer uh that she didn’t necessarily have permission to call me from the brothel but we were both willing participants in this conversation and so we will be releasing this conversation it in in its entirety folks enjoy this episode of the Cole memo featuring Tori Lisa our first guest to call us from abroad awful enjoy hey Tori how are you doing today I’m good how are you Cole I’m doing great and I’ve been looking forward to this conversation all day so thank you so much for sitting down with me today not a problem I’m happy to have this conversation and I’ve looked forward to it too yeah so um really quick could you give folks just a brief introduction tell us your name um and what you what what’s your profession what do you currently do okay my name is tor Lisa and it’s actually my real name I don’t use a stage name in the industry um because I’m very proud of what I do and what I do is a combination of things that all fall under the umbrella of being a sex worker um I am an online sex worker I create adult content so I am a professional model I’m also a corn star with a particular Studio and then I am also a burlesque performer but my full-time gig is I am an in brothel uh full-time in service full service brothel worker so I’m a legal prostitute in the state of Nevada just outside of Reno yeah and uh for all of those reasons you fit right in here at the chinois podcast welcome welcome thank you so much for sitting down with me today um people might already know why I wanted to sit down with you but if I could put it in a nutshell I’ve always found it fascinating that you can simply cross an imaginary line and then all of a sudden the rules change and uh Nevada is a great example of that of course everybody is keenly aware of the fact that we talk about cannabis legalization all the time which is another one of those instances in the United States where if you cross a state line all of a sudden the laws are different so legal prostitution or legal legal sex work has been allowed in Nevada for quite some time and there are licensed brothel in the state I think it’s such a cool conversation and I want to get to that but first I just want to talk about how you found yourself where you are today I’ve been reading your story and it is it’s fascinating I mean like I’ve seen uh some of the different questions you’ve gotten about about about your Arc and uh the way that you answer it is is just so perfectly so I don’t want to try to do that myself I want to just get right into it um can you give me a highlight reel of like your child you know kind of your childhood through adulthood I just want to hear a little bit about like what your childhood was like and then I I like I say I want to get the Highlight re so that we can you know talk about uh you know your experience with your partner and everything else sure um a lot of people have a lot of assp asss about sex workers that they’re you know this is like the end of the line for them and a last desperate attempt to do thing uh you know to do something to earn money and for me it was actually very purposeful but my story is actually I was the Perpetual good girl I was a preacher’s daughter and then my dad went into working with the government as a law enforcement officer um so I had to be twice as good I couldn’t get away with things um was very strict um I had a lot of supervision if you will so I had both parents who were married more than 55 years I was one of five kids I didn’t come from a broken home um I mean it wasn’t you know the perfect family but we did have a solid family background um I would I I met my husband in college um it’s kind of a long story with that one but I married a man in the military so I had to you know follow edette you know he was both an officer and enlisted which was kind of unusual it was a pilot program um so I had to switch between protocols between being a an enlisted wife and an officer’s wife and there’s two totally different set of rules you know for for that um we were married for 10 years we actually got divorced he went off to combat he was wounded in combat so because we had three kids together um I came by his side because they didn’t think he was going to make it well he did make it and I ended up remarrying bringing our family back together again and being a full-time caregiver to him for 14 years in the course of that I was um pursuing my own college degrees when I say multiple degrees because I had changed my um degree programs multiple times being transient in the military um a lot of the credits didn’t quite transfer so I have a lot of college um underneath you know underneath my belt so I ran my own businesses that were portable uh so I ran my own media business I ran um a couple other businesses and they weren’t the MLM businesses they were actual um you know licensed through the state and and so on and provided more of a service industry type um type of of Industry so then I be then I started writing um and my final degree program was in creative writing and journalism I was running a very popular blog because in my advocacy work after my now ex was wounded in combat there were a lot of things that were broken in the system so I spent a great deal of time rubbing elbows with the who’s who in Washington DC so I was in the political realm I was a speaker at a lot of keynote events um that you know I met with like top level um VA officials uh military officials and so on I was even a guest at the White House and a former president still follows me on Twitter so there’s a a lot of um good girl Ness in there like I did all the right things I acted the way I was supposed to act I said the things I was supposed to say um I followed the script as I say and part of my advocacy work was being able to stand up to wrongdoing um accountability and oversight and so on like some Senators you would take my call if I called their office they would patch me right through you don’t you don’t get that if you aren’t somebody who you know has a voice that others respect so one thing led to another and a few years ago my life just basically imploded 26 years of building a life Just Came Crashing Down um I had to go into hiding for about six months and I just kind of bounced around and try to figure out what am I going to do I’ve got education I have experience I worked in the medical field I worked in the legal field I worked in management and then when I became my own boss I was you know a CEO for many years of three distinct businesses that I was running one at a time over the course of the years so I had a lot of experience but I had forgotten about the fact that you know I looked at myself in the mirror and said who am I I’ve really I’ve been doing what everybody expected me to do but what do I want to do what makes me happy because right now I’m not very happy I mean I I have got to reclaim this for myself and not rely on anyone else to to participate in that or to take it away so I basically just took ownership of my life and I took accountability for myself you know I was holding the World At Large accountable but but I also had to walk the walk and talk the talk I had to be able to do that for myself so I did some soul searching I had been seeing what I call my zen Mentor um she’s a Buddhist chaplain and I had actually been sitting with her every week for five years straight without missing a day and I was learning how to become more centered more aligned more at peace with myself to release a lot of the codependency that came with the type of marriage that I I had um and the circumstances that I was in and by then my kids were literally the day I left was the day my youngest turned 18 and he eventually once I was able to get our own place he moved in with me and then his other brother moved in with me during covid so like I brought my family back together again under the same roof um with minor exceptions and in that process though I I really I was not going to cut off aspects of myself um the interesting thing was is during the divorce um after the first marriage I became an ethical non- monogamist I started dating within the swinger scene so this was back in 2003 2004 so I had experience with ethical non- monogamy and really quick time ago really quick is ethical non- monogamy is that basically a way of saying like an open relationship ship correct it’s an umbrella and it um includes swingers um open relationship Dynamics polyamory although polyamory wasn’t a buzzword back then it was just um swingers are open were the main terms so I you know when I went back to Washington DC thinking that my ex was not going to make it and we needed to say our final goodbyes I you know asked for two weeks off from work and kissed my boyfriend goodbye and said I’ll be back in a few weeks and two weeks turned into two months and etc etc so like I really I went back into the second marriage very open about the fact that I had identify during that divorce period that I am bisexual at the very least and that I wanted to have an open Dynamic um it didn’t work out we tried he come you know come to find out he likes his cake and wants to eat it too he he was the one that was cheating on me and I was like there’s no reason for us to have infidelity when I am so open and endorsing of an open marriage but it was not a two-way street um so to be clear was typ and he just didn’t have the emotional capacity the emotional intelligence and the maturity to navigate and open Dynamic so I went back to being monogamous in our second marriage much to my dismay so when I was assessing the things that made me unhappy and evaluating the things that did make me happy I looked back on before I had even met him I was a professional swimwear model and I wanted to get back into modeling but I was 49 years old at that time and I thought to myself oh gosh nobody’s going to want to see uh 40 9year old mother of three nobody’s going to want to date a 49-year-old you know who’s had three kids like I figured I was listening to all the programming that society says that your value is basically uh before you’re 40 and I but I said [ __ ] it you know just like [ __ ] it I’m going to go I’m going to start dating again and I’m not going to hide the fact that I’m a bisexual woman that I’m you know I’ve got Kinks I you know I want to be able to start living life and an interesting thing happens um in the dating scene a lot of the younger guys apparently are into the older more mature women and there is such a thing as cougars and so I learned very very quickly that I was actually a hot commodity I had joined Tinder oh my goodness Cole you’re not GNA believe this so I had joined Tinder um thinking okay I’ll just dip my toes in the dating world this will be an efficient way to do it right I had 3600 matches in the first 48 hours and I was like holy [ __ ] okay this is work now I have to swipe through all this and you know and I was like Wow simultaneously speaking I was also exploring ethical not monogamy in the polyamory um Avenue I guess you could say I wanted I knew that I needed an actual connection I couldn’t just have so-called casual sex in in like hookups the hookup culture really didn’t fit for me as far as relationships are concerned Partnerships so I had gone to a local um BDSM club that helped classes about a variety of topics and they had like a monthly polyamory meeting so I wanted to talk to other people in polyamorous Dynamics to understand it to how to how to navigate it and how to be a really good partner um for any type of partnership that I chose to to step into I that’s where I met my um first primary partner and he was also a Dom and so he was introducing me into the BDSM World in a more formal way because when I was a swinger yeah we did light bondage and you know things like that but my days as a swinger I learned you know I’m an exhibitionist which fed into the whole modeling and showing off my imperfect body so I started modeling and I was doing Kink and fetish and BDSM modeling I worked with multiple photographers um and I was producing a lot of content but I had nowhere really to put it I I couldn’t put it on social media um but I wanted to show it off so I started posting some of it over on a site called flife and it got quite a large um response and I thought well shoot I’m just going to go ahead and monetize this and I started in only fans and I was wanting to get into porn and things like that because what was happening was as I started dating my glow up was instant like my glow up after I left was instant but as I started doing the things that sorry what do you mean free what do you mean by your glow up my glow up oh my gosh um well for starters without even trying without going to the gym or dieting I lost 40 pounds I actually used to be fairly pudgy I’m still curvy I’m only 5 foot tall um but I’ve got curves I’ve got um a lot of ass so I’m very cury I had a peach on me you know and and it’s like women have been taught to like hide those things or to be ashamed of those things and here I was um I don’t have a lot of stretch marks but I do have stretch marks and I wasn’t hiding that I wasn’t trying to photoshop in fact I worked with photographers who specifically did not Photoshop my pictures because I wanted to show that women of my age are sensual they’re very sexual they’re very um alluring and that my value is well beyond what’s in my brain or what sheep skin is hanging on my wall or how many kids I’ve you know produced in this world or how good my marriage is etc etc it was like you know I’m beautiful and I want to be able to express that so I got into a thruple dynamic um I was what called a unicorn um um I was the third in a couple Dynamic where I had she and I were the girlfriend and girlfriend he and I were boyfriend and girlfriend they were girlfriend and boyfriend and we were all a cohesive partnership and that would that became the core Dynamic and then we had and then I had accessory type um secondary partners and we all knew each other you know we actually would all go out we could go to a social event and we could all be in the same room so I stepped into a world where there was no jealousy and where your sexuality was actually very um liberated and celebrated and respected and that’s the other thing there was respect and consent and so on so I was moving through those circles I was um just having the time of my life to be honest and the happier I became the more beautiful I would appear if people who knew me then and saw me now were like holy [ __ ] girl like you were just glowing up because I I emitted light I I I just would glow with this joy in my life and it showed in my pictures and it showed when I be when I became a burlesque performer I felt very empowered I felt very alive I felt very fulfilled um and it was a process of self-actualization that stems from Abraham maso’s um hierarchy of needs which we’ll get into in a second but I hope that answers your question about like what my trajectory was what I did before becoming a full-time sex worker um I was doing hot girl [ __ ] and I was making good money doing it and I took the knowledge of of being an online sex worker when the pandemic hit I paid it Forward by teaching because I was a business owner already I was a writer I was already branded on the internet I had my own following before I even did any of these things um I lost a lot of people along the way when I started announcing these salacious things I mean people were clutching their pearls and you used to be such a good girl and I was like EX exactly and that is not what I’m going to be anymore I am going to be an ethical woman I’m going to be a woman with Integrity I have standards I have boundaries it’s not as though um it’s a free-for-all with me I’m very very well boundar but I have standards that must be met in every area of my life whether it’s in my relationships or my work ethic or whatever so you know I had people that were kind of they had this cognitive dissonance they’re like but I knew you before but I know you now and I’m not sure how I feel about this because I’ve been taught that that’s naughty and that’s dir dirty and that’s shameful and that’s that’s [ __ ] and that’s whatever but at the same time they saw how happy I was I was and how empowered I was and they had like this twinge of well I want that too so what’s your secret Tori how are you doing it so I started giving it advice um on how to um run an only fans um account and I now have over 9,000 people that I’ve mentored since Co hit on how to be an online sex worker so I pass I pay it forward I pay it forward a lot especially when it comes to empowering yourself in regard to expressing yourself in regard to um still being a good girl like I have to follow the law I’m not going to sacrifice um my safety my Wellness my well-being um for anyone for any reason um I did that when I was married you know I’m not g to do that anymore so I’ve been living my best life doing hot girl [ __ ] and then I figured out that I needed to take it one more step further because like I said what’s next you know I’ve already checked off okay I’m I’m a porn star there’s thousands of pictures on my ass on the internet I make money off of that too I do shows and people throw money at me uh to take my clothes off on stage in front of a whole audience like what is stopping me from doing this one next thing and the one next thing was somewhat of a idea that I got because I had received so many requests from men and women um that the want that you know they wanted to hook up and I was like you know some people approach with levels of disrespect or entitlement thirsty guys that just have zero manners whatsoever um not even relationship material they’re like hey baby you know unsolicited dickpics for days you know like I can just open my inbox and I would have hundreds and hundreds of messages from people demanding access to me and I thought you know what um I’ll shut this down real quick you can have access to me but you’re gonna pay me and it’s going to be legal and so um I receive a lot of hate and criticism for choosing to do what I do but the thing is is I have a great deal of compassion for human suffering I know what it’s like to be touch starved and um it all ties in with maso’s hierarchy of needs which I had studied extensively intimacy human connection is on the bottom of that pyramid because it is absolutely essential for your survival essential along with food Water Shelter clothing okay humans cannot survive without it let alone Thrive and that’s why intimacy human connection sex is the only thing listed twice on maso’s hierarchy of needs for the process of self-actualization and by going into the sex work industry in increments and in stages um I am my most self-actualized most fulfilled most vibrant expression of my myself and I’m literally happy to do this so I have a strong desire to be of service to people who otherwise would not have access to intimacy whether it be through disabilities I have all this experience um in the medical field as well as my Hands-On um experience my Advocate advocacy experience so those with disabilities um they they don’t move through the dating circles the same way the rest of society does um people who are older who are widowed who are lonely um people who are young that are just intimidated by how how to please a woman so I’m like I have all this experience I have all this compassion and I have all this desire and I have like skill sets shall we say that I’m known for and can easily demonstrate from the comfort of your home um the thing is is I’m good at what I do and I’m proud of what I do and I want to be able to impact humans and society as a whole in a way that makes sense because it’s safe it’s sane it’s consensual um I guys that come in to see me because they don’t have the time energy and resources they have the money they don’t have the time energy and resources to have to go through 3600 matches on Tinder that’s work like I said they would rather like they I mean they could take a girl out whine her dine her spend you know a couple hundred dollars on dinner and you know going out for the night and may not get lucky and then maybe down the road um they may become intimate and they are completely not aligned maybe there’s just no match to that pleasure factor maybe she’s just too uptight because she listened to what Society told her was good or bad or dirty or shameful or whatever and here I am like fully expressed very kinky um very experienced and I could not only match their energy but I can actually amplify their energy so they come they were like I could spend four figures an hour on you um and save money because I’ll spend that much with somebody that just may not work out and then you have that uncomfortable conversation of I need you to show me your STD results and ethical non- monogamists actually take that very seriously and literally have the results like on their phone at party you know they’re like okay I got tested last month but testing is only good as you know the a short window um surrounding that actual test date I was getting tested back home before I even came here every week because I take my Sexual Health very very seriously I have never had an STD in my life so safe sex is mandatory with me whether I’m in a brothel or not but by law condoms are required and we do what’s called a dick check before we even book anything like sexual health is is basically guaranteed here because I get tested every week today actually right before we did this uh today is Doctor day so um a doctor comes on site and every week we get tested we do the swabbing we do blood work as well that gets reported to the local sheriff’s department who before I even got approved to work here I had to be fingerprint printed background checked um I had to go through I had to jump through a lot of Hoops to do this and so when somebody comes through our doors uh to choose someone such as myself to be intimate with they’re actually saving money even those sticker shock you know um you can really show that it saves money and the hidden cost later of let’s say you are hooking up with somebody on Tinder and you haven’t asked for their St results and then you’ve got the bigger cost of picking up um you know an STD or an STI um you know it can be costly in other ways so I provide a safe sane and consensual environment with someone who can relate to people at their most fundamental levels they can come in and fully Express themselves you know some guys come in and they’re like well I’m too afraid to say what I really want no tell me seriously let’s make that fantasy happen like I you know having a threesome was a typical Tuesday back home so if you want to bring another girl in come on let’s do it like I am all for that you know and and right so I coach um couples that want to open their marriage how to navigate that it’s not just a wham bam thank you ma’am and they come in and see me they actually come in and go okay how do I navigate this what happens if you know um an example would be last week a couple came in he had experience in polyamory she did not she um one of the first things I do is make sure that she’s not being pressured into anything she doesn’t want to do um that they’re both in it together and she was like you know I’m curious and I want to do it but I also want the safe space so that if it’s not my cup of tea that I can back out without apology or without hurting anybody’s feelings and I want to have a hand in who he’s with and get to know her and you know and and it’s a no strings attached situation there’s no entanglement there you know there’s not going to be drama involved etc etc so I’m serving Society in ways that Society probably doesn’t think about um and in ways that Society assumes are different than what it really is I think that’s very well said and I love it I genuinely love connecting and seeing humans I’m actually pansexual okay I started with the bisexual because that’s the most recognizable way of saying I’m attracted to men and women but in reality I’m pansexual I accept All Humans I meet them exactly where they are there is no um judgment there’s no um shaming I don’t kink shame I don’t body shame I don’t um none of that like you are fully accept going to make fun of me for my you’re not gonna make fun of me for my fetish no I’m just no not at all in fact I’m probably gonna show you a thing or two hell yeah hell yeah I I cater to the Kink and fetish Crow but I also cater to virgins um I cater to the the businessman who um really just wants kissing and cuddling and going out to dinner or going on an outdate to go dancing or having arm candy for an event or um you know um a couple that wants to explore in a safe way um I see all walks of life all ages all backgrounds um a lot of who I see here because of the cougar element the mil element um a lot of the younger guys come in to see me and they love the fact that I can teach them things that I can match their energy I am high energy shoot I have one dude um I usually end up breaking this fingernail it’s broken right now this is the third time this dude has broken this fingernail doing stuff midair with me he’s strong that’s funny fun yeah yeah it sounds sounds and I get to pick who I who I party with a party is anytime booked with me it’s a universal term for a booking got um if someone comes in and acts entitled or is abusive or disrespectful I wel them like I’m here for alignment and the money comes with my alignment so I turn money away because I I’m not desperate to book somebody I pick and choose um I don’t have to do anything I don’t want to do anything with um I don’t have to do well this is the way I say it I don’t have to do anything I don’t want to do with anyone I don’t want to do it with for anything less than what I want to do it for I have full command full free will full autonomy in my body um I call the shots and when they come in and we do a lineup and I get picked in that lineup and we do a booking I’m also picking them they have to meet my expectations too and when I say that it’s you know I’m not going to judge them but if they come in and they’re giving me any indicators that they are a safety issue that they may be a problem let’s say they’re highly intoxicated um maybe they are misogynistic and disrespectful and entitled I won’t party with them they have to earn this regardless of how much money they pay me yeah I mean hey you know it’s a it’s a seller’s market right so uh you know well well good on you um I got to ask you you know you’re I’ve watched you tell this story before and you’re you’re so confident and I think that’s probably very inspiring for many people that that would uh consider taking or making some of the same decisions you have but I got to imagine that you haven’t always felt so confident in your ways I got to imagine that sometimes you may have been questioning yourself and and wondering am am I you know you like you say you you live that good girl life the whole for your whole life and I have to imagine that that was hard so my question is were there times where it was CH you it sounds like you went through a process of redefining your boundaries and redefining what you wanted out of life were there times where you were you wondered like ah shoot should I just go back should I should I should I just go back home should I just throw it all away or were you no because you talked about incremental I didn’t know if that was the key to it or what so here’s the thing I have a whole lot of [ __ ] to prove wrong spite drives me in some ways okay so there’s that um so I won’t lie that I am very determined to show that all of the things that made me successful before are still in me it still drives me I mean one does not get invited to the White House if you’re not a mover and a Shaker and somebody that people listen to at the same time I also recognized and had it’s like peeling away layers of an onion you know you you have to start with the outer layers and you might cry in the process you know it’s not going to be pleasant um doing your own inner work and and I mentioned Abraham maslo the psychiatrist um I’m also gonna uh mention Carl Young he talked about Shadow Your Shadow Self your subconscious I did a lot of inner work I did a lot of Shadow work in fact I was teaching and coaching it as part of one of my businesses um I had to let go of my literal identity um I had to peel back the layers that I can identify that did not serve me anymore such as the codependency great example um I would not speak up in a confrontational way with my ex spouse because I wanted to keep the peace I didn’t want to have him become more agitated more violent or anything like that so I I I kept my mouth shut I didn’t say what I really should have said I didn’t put my foot down as strongly as I should have and then that became me getting just walked on and and taken advantage of and manipulated and so on and so I had to learn about narcissistic abuse I had to learn about a lot of different things and let go of that trauma you know there’s a lot of betrayal and deceit that that happened and I had to learn how to trust myself because a lot of times my gut would tell me oh this is a bad idea oh God he’s up to something something is GNA happen and boom There It Is Well how many times did I ignore my Intuition or my better judgment so I started becoming really good at listening to my intuition and using better judgment and not trying to keep the peace and if you know if somebody was you know was rudely shaming me online I would laugh at it and go really you’re just projecting your own shame your own internalized uh repressed sexual urges and so on I’m just over here being Unapologetic about it and if you don’t like it you can move on um my blocklist on social media scroll scroll scroll like I it with a few clicks I can make someone disappear from my realm okay um there are some persistent ones and if you follow me on social media you’ll see me basically trolling my trolls I make a mockery out of their absurd Behavior because nothing they say or do can truly hurt me I’m good and solid with who I am so um if you want to body shame me okay whatever I’m the one getting paid for the these curves I have people that come in because of these curves I have people watching my board because of these curves like um every body size there’s a demand for it every single body size there is a demand for it both in say online sex work in um in real life sex work you know legal sex work um outside of brothels it’s there’s a demand there too um on the burles stage you know like all bodies are beautiful I’m just here to show that I love my body and that others can love it too and so this confidence that I have came from going through my most vulnerable and most fragile periods of my life and coming out the other side stronger and better than I was before it is terrifying to leave every all your worldly possessions behind with $12 in your pocket in the middle of the night and go what the [ __ ] am I going to do I didn’t plan for this and having your friends rise up and say you can come stay at my couch I’ll keep you hidden until you can figure out your next steps or hey I’m sending you some money to put gas in your tank you know that was three years before I made this decision I was not desperate when I got here if I were desperate I could have gone into sex work the day I left but that’s not what I did I went into it purposely because I am confident in myself because I know who I am because I did the inner work because I let go of those outer layers of trauma and you know shedding the belief systems that um you know I had to be good to be valued well you know what I’m good yeah I’m good at being bad just to be sure I understand did you go into hiding because you were concerned about your safety with your husband okay um got and now that’s why I own the fact that I use my real name and I’m very proud of doing what I do because part of that was I’m not GNA hide anything anymore yeah okay hiding does not feel good it was necessary but I am uniquely positioned the State um gave me and my um boys a um a fake address it’s called the address confidentiality program um so I was able to stay under the radar with the state’s help um now I’m in another state and I’m literally behind a locked gate um and a facility that has Panic buttons in every room that pipes in straight to the Sheriff’s Department I mean if I have any safety issues here um I feel safer here at AB brothel than I do say in my own home um I have more protections here sure sure I would imagine so um so um so I gotta ask like so you had your first divorce and is am I correct to understand that during that like period between your first and the first time you get divorced and then the second time you got Remar or the time you got remarried um that that’s kind of when you discovered that you might be you said at first bisexual that’s when you discovered that correct yeah I well I’m Gonna Roll this back a little bit sure um I was very very confused and conflicted growing up being attracted to girls and boys okay so it was a lifetime of Attraction and confusion and so on I did not act on on it until I started dating a swinger and going to swinger parties and exploring and becoming connected with other women intimately and going what the hell was I waiting for yeah you were suppressing that you were suppressing that uh what did you say the shadow person within you or that you said your Shadow Self um Shadow Self it it it was like I didn’t make it a secret when I remarried my ex I made sure he knew and that it was actually a goal of mine to have an open Dynamic so that I could explore and that he could also equally explore other Partnerships because when you’re monogamous and you’re bisexual you have to pick a gender yeah yeah you’re cutting off the other half of who you are and I just was like I’m done with that I am done with that and so so when I set out on this journey I was just like dating men women equally and that’s why the thruffle dyamic was so perfect for me um you know I like I said I had other partners and they had their Partners like we we’re all just one big polyamorous soup of of people who support each other and I’m driven by what’s called compersion um compersion is is basically at its Essence if you’re happy I’m happy so like if my partner is their most fulfilled self then I get the benefit of that and if I’m my most fulfilled self then they get the benefit of that because there’s this happiness and joy and fulfillment that just spills out of me as opposed to being part of who you are and only saying half of what you want to say or doing half half of what you really like to do I mean that’s a life not lived a life half lived is not what I want to do and so um I was well partnered when I came here and um I adore my partners to this day but I basically deescalate like I kind of downgraded um our connection into more of like Friends with Benefits because I’m only home I’m from Colorado um I’m only home every few months you know it’s unfair to them like I basically said you know seek what makes you happy don’t try to hold on to this thing that we have just because it’s been it’s been good let’s see where it goes but understand I give you my blessing I mean they always had it it’s not like it was suddenly I was giving it to them but you know what I’m saying like I’m endorsing doing what’s best for them for them because right now I have to do what’s best for me I love you but I’m going to go do this thing and they were absolutely supportive we still stay in touch we still catch up but it’s a different kind of partnership now as a result because my focus is on what I do here and you know it’s something that matters to me and I write about it I don’t I I keep things Anonymous like my my client’s confidentiality is the utmost per um importance okay so I write about my experiences without outing them you know that’s never never something that anybody has to worry about but I also write about the pros and the cons The Good the Bad the Ugly um I write about it from a perspective a you know as a writer I can articulate some of the human elements in a way that people understand how profound it can be to have human connection and to make such an impact on clients um majority men but you know women as well um I have clients that only come in and see me um I just wrote a story a few days ago over on Facebook about that and like I’m the only one that they feel comfortable with because we built that trust we built that connection and they don’t have to worry about me interfering in their life um or you know having an episode and going why don’t you write you know it’s like when they’re ready to come in they’re going to come in I do stay in touch with them in between our visits I have regulars that sometimes I have one regular come in and party with me eight days in a row but then I didn’t see him for two months you know so it can be kind of of intermittent um and but we stay in touch like how are you doing like I genuinely care about my clients I genuinely want them to have their needs met and to be able to fill those gaps um in a way that makes sense for them and for me so yeah I definitely did I lose you nope you didn’t uh I just wanted to share for pause for a moment to share with folks that we’ll have a link to Tori’s uh page uh in our show notes so if you go into the show notes for this podcast episode you can connect with Tori on uh various social media websites including Twitter Instagram Tik Tok YouTube Facebook only fans FTI and so much more um so definitely check out the link in the podcast description I want to be able to you know know if you have any questions if you’re really inspired by Tori or if you’re in Nevada and you’d like to party with Tori uh wanted to give you that option so um I thanks for the shout out I appreciate it I do encourage people to follow along even if they’re just mildly curious It’s very eye opening because I like I said I’m uniquely positioned um I do have layers of protection in place that most sex workers don’t have they have to use fake names they um are kind of hush hush about what their experiences are within the walls of the brothel there’s also expectations from the brothel themselves because there’s strict regulations about solicitation and so on in fact you were talking about crossing the state line let me tell you how crazy this is I’m close to Lake Tahoe and there is a casino a resort on the state line and I can go go on what’s called an outdate anywhere in the state of Nevada someone can book me and whisk me off to Vegas for a weekend hint hint would love to go to Vegas um but the thing is is like I can go on these outdates but I have to stay within state lines there is a resort that if I go in one entrance I’m within the boundaries of the law I am in state line if I go out a side entrance to the valley I have broken the law it’s in the same building okay so like they warned me when you go on an outdate and if they take you to Lake Tahoe you have got to be very very very careful to goes in and out the correct entrance of this particular property that’s so crazy in the same building Val service I’m screwed yeah exactly that’s so crazy illust but I also have a private driver so yeah I have a driver 247 so I can always put it in the hands of our you know chauffeur to to make sure that I am not crossing the state line but if I’m but if if the client is providing the transportation I have to be really really careful um not to cross the state line with that client I can cross a state line just doing my own thing but in the course of a booking I must stay within the state line right in the capacity of your job that’s that is crazy that just going through the wrong door and that is like that right there perfectly encapsulates the insanity that is this Patchwork of laws that we have with whether it’s with sex work or or drug laws um so you mentioned uh you know the experience of of becoming a legal sex worker I really want to dive into that um I think that that a lot of people find this topic fascinating um one of the things I wanted to make clear though before we dive into it uh if because some of our listeners might be like Cole why aren’t you asking about uh you know you mentioned therapy and your transformation and how you how you you know found this new identity and a lot of people that watch the show you know are for the decriminalization of drugs so they’re thinking like was she doing did did she do drugs to attribute to this transformation but I’ve read online you’ve said that you you didn’t this was just I did I did research it okay I did a ton of research um I was actually I paid the money and everything but I backed out um because there was some Logistics I had to actually leave the area it was one of the it was during the time that I was on the Move okay um I had paid the money to do a medicine Journey with MDMA and I had done a ton of research on it um I had done research on mushrooms i’ had done research on everything basically everything because I was so open to any type of healing element so I was in no way shape or form like anti- oh no I’m not going to do you know psychedelics or anything I was like o I want to know if this is something that would you know let’s let’s go to the Amazon jungle and do iasa like let’s do this thing like I was very enthusiastic about it but it I was also looking at my own situation and the type of resources and the logistics of say leaving the country or something to do something like this um which angered me that there were so many studies and they were doing them on the very veterans that I I was advocating for for over a decade the MDMA um treatments and the ketamine treatments and like all of these different types of healing modalities for say PTSD or even traumatic brain injuries it rewires everything right and so here I am with a spiritual healer who is like yeah this is the way to go and let’s talk about that you know I had full endorsement from people that I was already seeking healing through about taking it to that next level I did dabble of course I had opportunities where there were some things that were available to me I was in Colorado for [ __ ] sakes I mean it is not hard to have availability of these things sure um so it’s it was a personal decision in in some ways to just hold off um again I was honoring my gut you know how I talk about that sounds it it sounds like it was a personal decision but it also sounds like it was a personal decision that was influenced by the inconvenience of our laws you know what I mean very true it’s kind of like yes because there were some other complicating variables going on I was in a court I was in a court um situation um and you know because of the divorce and you know and I was like H this careful comp things so this is what I did this is what I did for my 50th birthday I booked a one-way ticket to Europe and I went to a trauma release Retreat basically uh someone who could go deeper into the whole subconscious aspects of myself I knew how to pra you know the practicalities of Shadow work but I need needed somebody who can go deeper in into those deeply embedded Hooks and I spent a week in a full immersion retreat in Italy uh doing trauma release so I sought therapy in multiple ways that one was more intense um you know I have friends who have had great success um because the whole Court thing with me right now and the fact that I live and work in a drug-free environment um I you know I could I could get tested at any time and I don’t want to pop hot on anything so you know I’m I’m drug free right now but I endorse it and I actually enjoy many things um that I was able to try I still have a lot more exploration to go but I also have a lot more years to do it in so I’m not in any rush but you’re absolutely right if it were more available and accepted and that people were more educated on how beneficial um just cannabis alone we’re we’re still fighting the fight about cannabis okay are you kidding me I mean this is ridiculous how dumb do you have to be that you can’t look at the studies and the research and and the success stories and like hello it is right there in front of us this literally is life saving for people but we’re going to sit here and shame it and have a stigma surrounding it and you know um forbid it and make it hard to get or make it hard to get it in a safe way or make it inaccessible because it’s so expensive even if you go through the pharmaceutical industry to get access to like MDMA or what whatever um it’s cost prohibitive but yet in the right hands for the right reasons it can be a very healing thing for me BDSM was healing I learned how to alchemize I basically learned how to transmute and have a different um relationship with pain I I’m able to turn pain into pleasure you know I’m a what’s called a BDSM switch I started off as a submiss I did different types of sensory play um fir play impact play like needle play you name it I that stuff sounds crazy fun oh I yes I talked about that online a bit and there are certain spicy sites where um it’s not even allowed for me to publish it even though it’s safely done it’s like there’s so many parallels here like the stuff that I do in the BDSM world actually is why I have the whole Court thing and why I’m like I got arrested for an ass photo so short story there there’s it’s a longer story and I’m writing my book about it that’s part of it but like you can get in trouble you can get arrested for an ass photo you can get arrested for um you know cannabis in certain States like I agree that we need to decriminalize it but much like the brothel the legal prostitution industry we need to not only decriminalize it across the us but we need to legalize it across the us there are only 20 licensed brothel in this in the US they are all here in Nevada my brothel gets approximately according to my head hono here who is like head of HR and everything um she said that she gets approximately 40,000 applications a year so we are handpicked Cherry Picked based on our skill sets our professionalism um our backgrounds you know our experience and so on so I feel a very unique niche in in the market if you will um because some of the um more mature men don’t want somebody Young it it it kind of freaks them out um some guys go for the young ones um but yet some of the young guys want the more mature ones like there’s a market for what I do how I do it and why I do it and because I have a proven track record of not only being experienced but I’m actually um someone who can educate about things like polyamory open Dynamics thre sums um you know BDSM the different types of BDSM Kinks and fetishes and you know like I have all this experience that basically were acquired through my lifestyle circles and my own desires and and my own Kinks and fetishes and and you know relationship Dynamics and and so on but like I can apply that to my healing Journey it’s like why why did it have to be so hard to access something like this why does it have to be so hard to hire a legal prostitute to come to a brothel why is it so shameful to even go to a brothel or why you know like we’ve got people who are do you desperate people doing desperate things and that’s how in the you know on the streets we’re getting tainted you know products and we’re getting tainted hookups and we’re getting you know know like um things that can kill you people die because it’s not legalized right that’s asinine to me it when it it’s already proven that it works here in Nevada in fact the STD rates went down after um brothels became legalized in the 1970s um we don’t have a a a problem with STDs because we’re doing it the way we’re doing it and if we had more brothels we can universally Across the Nation reduce the STD rates we could reduce arrest rates incarceration rates families breaking up um you know like literally in many ways I can argue and we won’t have enough time on this episode but you know in many ways um I’m actually helping marriages because you’re helping more I think you’re helping more than marriages in many cases I think you’re helping Society like you say people that don’t have time for relationships or anything else like I think that like you say if it is a human need you know for just human touch but also intimate relationships and I’m sorry but you know a lot of people don’t have access to that whether or not it’s because of their social skills and actual ability or whatever else and so to provide safe legal access look this is the thing when I started to promote the fact that I’d be talking to some legal sex workers I referred to it as the world’s oldest profession and I didn’t come up with that term uh I’m not sure who did but it’s so true I mean it is a core human need and if there is a demand for something somebody can supply for that demand and if it’s between two consenting adults why not why not you know amount of regulations and professionalism that exists in like two things um I have a client who openly says how much his wife is see is appreciating the side of him that he that she’s not been able to see in a long time he and I don’t do any sex okay I’m very creative in getting his engines restarted and he’s able to take that home to her his his need is that he felt broken I am I am touching on the human it is not about his [ __ ] it is about the human carrying it okay and he feels empowered he feels whole again I cannot begin to tell you how deeply I am touched and honored that I get to enhance marriages I have I got pulled in um multiple times for a client who is um I want to be as as broad as I can be because I don’t do anything that’s identifiable but he basically he’s um disabled um former military but he’s a priest and his wife brings him here if that does not blow some people’s minds I don’t know what will but like there are people who need this for various reasons who have people that love them and endorse them coming here such as the husband and wife that come in and they are both excited um because I do narrow it down I want to make sure both both adults are consenting and one’s not being pressured into doing something they don’t want to do because then I will not do it it’s not ethical calling for a lineup proof I’m out of brothel yeah say you’re the first there’s an in or come you’re the first guest to call in from a from a legal brothel it’s so cool yeah so cool so the thing is is like I know that it’s frustrating in the Cannabis industry or in any other type of drugs that are on the market that end up getting too expensive too risky too cut with other stuff um you don’t know what you’re getting out there in the wild wild west right um whether it’s dating whether it’s um even in your own marriage I mean okay if your partner is going to go out outside of your partnership with someone I would much rather know that like my ex when he went outside of the marriage he he removed all informed consent from me he put me at risk he could have killed me with exposure to STDs and STI I was more at risk to STDs and STI then I am here in a brothel think about it right it’s like how can I possibly get across how much we need to legalize brothels how much we need to legalize um healing modalities that have had studies done that have helped entire communities of say veterans with PTSD or whatever the case may be like we have a lot of parallels here and that’s why I really wanted to talk to you to say look Society is taught you know say no to drugs and then they’re taught you know that um be a virgin until you’re married and you know and and dedicate your whole life to one man and like I shatter all of those molds saying but wait there’s another side to this that we haven’t even talked about and and people are so afraid to talk about and um for me it needs to be talked about out it really does I know my own children they’re adults they know what I do okay uh my youngest son when I first came out to my um middle and youngest son um I was going to go public about being polyamorous about being bisexual really quick you’re youngest son really quick your youngest son was 18 when you started this right that is correct yes he was 18 the day I left it was coincidental that he turned 18 the day I left it just happened to be the day I left was that day so I wasn’t like counting down till he turned 18 so Mom can take off like it was he had to finish his senior year of high school and he was not a target of what was going on I was so he stayed behind but we had a safety plan in place for him and we ended up using that safety plan but we got him graduated before that happened so he was with me at the time of this conversation um and then his brother came to visit for the weekend and you know and see us and so on so I initially had the conversation with my middle son and I said okay here’s what you need to know years ago I was a swinger I’m exploring polyamory I am now starting to date I going to be public about the fact that I am bisual I am now in you know exploring BDS F there there’s going to be pict pictures and blah blah blah like I am giving them the ability to object or overcome any of their objections or concerns or answer any questions because I you’re also giving them a little bit of a heads up you’re also giving them a good heads up because as a kid like if I saw my mom like as a 18-year-old if all of a sudden I saw my mom like you know doing BDSM on the internet I’d be like Mom what the [ __ ] like not that she’s not allowed to do that but how are you not going to tell me I I have enough respect to tell to tell them first yeah yeah okay and so I told my middle son who had already gone off to college been in college for a while out on his own for a while and he’s my um he’s my stoic one he’s very spiritual he’s you know does he doesn’t get upset or or anything very easily but when he does it’s because for good reason so I’m having this conversation with him and I’m not sure how to read read him at that point because he just was like stone-faced and I said so now’s about the time I would love to hear your feedback because you have not said a word and I don’t think you even blinked what’s going on and he just goes well now I know where I get it from wow that’s awesome he was like he was having a he was having an epiphany he was so relieved because you know he has at least this parent me who is going to accept him fully for who he is and endorse him living his fullest expression of himself and I was like what do you mean he goes well Mom you know he says in college he said I was so afraid that I would be shunned or something I was like he said not not from you specifically but I knew that if I told you then Dad would know and I just didn’t want to go into that territory now that you guys are none under the same roof we can have this conversation freely and openly and holy [ __ ] mom how awesome go you you know yeah then um next up was my youngest son and I thought okay he’s a little younger didn’t run off to college yet um not as worldly as his brother was so I have the conversation he actually interrupted me I was like you know it’s this and then polyamory means he goes Mom Mom Mom stop stop stop I was like a [ __ ] here this is not going well um he’s he’s the one that’s going to be upset he goes mom you’re talking to a kid that took two girls to prom I know what polyamory is I identify as I was like are you serious because the prom was like the weekend before you know and I was like I want pictures CU I couldn’t for safety reasons I couldn’t be around for that which was you know regretful in many ways for me it really kind of crushed me as a parent and not be involved in my son’s senior prom but to be able to find out that he was like I know what you’re talking about are you kidding I’m already this way you know and so they they were very endorsing because they they’d seen the stressed out mom the uh the mom that kept the pece the mom that didn’t speak up when you you know just to keep things calm you know the the mom that was being disrespected and the mom that you know really went through hell finally being happy again and they’re like you know we we love seeing you happy like we’ve never seen this side of you before and we kind of like it so keep going you know during pandemic um that thruffle I told you about we actually uh my youngest son my boyfriend my girlfriend we we were all helping um our girlfriend move she was packing some things up and her mom had come over to get some stuff to put in storage and that was the same week that quarantine hit like the second week of March or whatever like March 8th or something like that in 2019 no 2020 sorry so um um her mom ended up in the hospital with covid and we were like oh [ __ ] we’ve all been exposed what are we going to do so we decided to combine our resources and all basically be under the same roof at our girlfriend’s house because she has a large house and so my son came with me um and for two months basically we were all under the same roof and my son got to see the daily interactions of how we love and nurture and support each other and how involved we are and how generous we are with each other and how basically how we all endorse each other’s happiness and he was like you know Mom I I know that when you told me I was like oh I know what it is I you know identify I even can relate in this way and blah blah blah he said but I’ve never seen you loved so preciously before I have never seen you be so well taken care of I have never seen you just feel safe and I get to see that now and I like it and I I’m I want you to keep doing this and so I mean that to me was pretty profound that my my son is like for the first time in my life mom I see you for you and I don’t see the layers of protection that you had to build around you and and the you know the fact that you’re valued in ways that I didn’t get to witness as a kid and so he got to see a healthier Dynamic he got to see the contrast of the unhappy stressed out um Mom that was in a toxic abusive environment which then creates a layer of demonstration to him um and I wanted him to not grow up to be that way towards his future Partners you know what I’m saying because we all basically do what we were taught or what we were witnessed to and even if we know it’s not healthy it’s familiar and so I wanted him to have healthy perspectives on Partnerships relationships Etc and he got to see that and he was just really touched touched by seeing the mom that deserved to be loved the way I was being loved and and happy you know the way I deserve to be happy and so I have to credit my boys for being my biggest cheerleaders because they saw the the mom before and the mom after and so you know it was not uncommon like we all were we after quarantine we all you know moved back into my household the boys moved in and we again uh my middle son he his industry was um shut down so I said come on I’ll get a bigger place and I got a bigger place and he moved in and we got to have quality time as a new and improved version 2.0 family and um but I was still doing photo shoots I was still doing um I I had like a a membership at our local BDSM club that was had very strict protocols during covid since it was a private membership club I just paid extra to be a VIP member and I got full use of a 3,000 foot dungeon so I would go and film there I would you know um still following covid protocols and sanitation and everything but I was able to continue doing the things I was doing before covid hit um and so I would say hey I’m heading down to the dungeon I’m gonna go you know film some porn I got Viking porn today and you know you know like and so I was very open with them about you know and I would walk out in like fullon leather full Dom outfit or something I was street legal as far as my outfit no nips or anything we’re we’re out but like I would go to sex clubs that I belong to you know um stay the whole weekend and I’m like hey I’m heading out to the Scarlet Ranch I’ll see you guys on Sunday afternoon like I never hid any of what I was doing and and they were just like okay Mom have fun be safe you know and so they got to see how my my relationships improveed they got to see how my lifestyle improved they got to see how healing things like BDSM were for me it’s very therapeutic a lot of people don’t realize it it’s not a replacement for therapy but it’s an enhancement if you are with someone who is skilled and ethical and so on there’s so many fake out there oh my God please all these men out here that are like oh baby I’m going to be your dumb um number one who you talking to you know you’re barking up the wrong tree let’s first talk about um honorifics you know you just call me baby I didn’t consent to that so you already violated all the Dom rules just with that alone so you don’t even know what the [ __ ] you’re talking about and here let me educate you and by then I’ve already blocked them but you know what I mean like there’s a lot of people out there that are abusers hiding under the title of being a gum yeah so I do want to clarify here when I say BDSM is healing and therapeutic I am talking about skilled people in that lifestyle who are respected who are embedded in the community as Educators as presenters I was a presenter uh for many different tastings events you know like as as I learned and as I became known for really uh being good at what I do that escalated into um now being able to teach it and to you know teach others how to do it so yeah long story short like it’s it was very therapeutic for me but it was also a very very dedicated learning process with very trusted people who had a proven reputation so I’m not saying that you’re going to get um healing from Jackass Joe down the road who’s a self-professed Dom okay there’s a big difference but I also sought treatment and healing through Shadow work and doing trauma release stuff and so on so like I came into this the most whole and healed I had ever been in my whole life and so like people think oh people who do drugs are um they’re just you know train wrecks they’re you know whatever like they they’re not educated they’re the drgs of society or you know they’re homeless they’re jobless whatever okay there’s there’s some of that stigma that if you do drugs you are somehow uneducated or uninformed or um that you have come from a broken home or that you you know you just run in the streets and stuff and uh excuse me but there’s a whole lot of high-powered Executives and politicians and blah blah blah blah blah out there that exactly are doing way worse or whatever um so it’s not about your socioeconomic background it is not about whether you come from a broken home it’s not about whether you’re a good mom or not it’s not about whether you’re strung out and desperate it’s not about any of that it is about how we’re all finding less suffering in our own unique ways I happen to have healed a tremendous amount um I think it was pretty solid when I started but there were some layers that needed it to be shed okay um I was already confident but my confidence grew to this um impenetrable confidence you know somebody could like throw an insult at me five years ago and it might actually kind of Sting now I laugh at it you know what I’m saying it’s like I was already confident but I am way more confident now um nothing will get you more confident than stripping on stage in front of a crowd full of people and you know have them throw money at you you know or um having a man come and pick you in a lineup and walk back and say hey um I’m going to be vulnerable with you right now and it takes courage to be vulnerable the most courageous thing you can do is be vulnerable and I went through my most vulnerable period of Life three and a half almost four years ago um and I have gone down this path to a place where like if somebody wanted to come work at AB brothel it’s not for everybody if you don’t have high self-esteem um and high confidence like solid confidence if you can’t hold boundaries and have high standards don’t come here okay these girl the the girls that I work with we’re professionals we are um educated we come from different backgrounds we have uh professionals that come here like they’re in different like in the medical field we have like RNs and Pharmacists and like um people who are like teachers and stuff and that’s why they have to stay Anonymous or hide their face or blur their face um use fake names and so on me I’m me I’m Tory Lisa it’s on my birth certificate and it’s on my door plaque you know well folks you heard it we’re sitting here talking with Tori Lisa Tori I’m going to have to pause just for a moment here um and then when we return I want to talk a little bit about your experience in the brothel what you expected and what you actually experienced and we’ll start to close the show perfect sounds good cool okay so all right Tori so we’re back um thank you once again for agreeing to sit down with me I’ve had a lot of fun uh talking with you today and we’ve we’ve talked a lot about the positive effect that legal sex work has uh has had on people that you’ve interfaced with and we’ve talked about the fact that we think that if you know we did we decriminalized and legalized on a national scale I I truly believe that we would have a better Society for that like wi with that rather um you mentioned you’ve talked in the past about The Good the Bad and the Ugly we’ve talked a lot about the good can you tell us a little bit about like what your experience has been um and if you’ve had any negative experiences or if anything could be better okay so um again a lot of assumptions and stigma comes into play into this type of work um we do have people that come in that you know um are misogynistic they have they they don’t value women and they’re very they can be very disrespectful and like I said I turn those people away I don’t I don’t have to do anything with them even if they paid me Triple my fee like I I have full power I’m an independent contractor and I speak for myself um the thing is is like I worry about the people that aren’t inside the protection of a brothel I purposely came here because it’s too unsafe um the amount of abuse um violence directed towards sex workers hate directed towards sex workers um disrespect directed towards sex workers like we are the lowest of the low when when it comes to society’s um idea of our value as humans yet you’re providing one of the best Services sorry I just had to quickly say that thank you darling um but the thing is is like there are women out there who are independent working the streets working um you know in different types of settings such as whether it’s in their own home God forbid because now you’re sitting duck for somebody that wants to commit a violent crime against you because they know where you live and everything um hotels casinos like you you prostitution is going on everywhere it’s going in your going on in your church parking lot I guar D TI it okay there is no place that ex that is excluded for the transaction of a prostitute okay um there are escorts out there that provide very high-end very um expensive services that make it a living and they travel and I admire the hell out of every sex worker out there that’s working the streets and and dealing with people without protection because what happen happens is let’s say there is an act of violence they incriminate themselves when they report it to the police or the police basically well [ __ ] her she’s just a prostitute what does she matter and don’t pursue charges and so on okay there are there is so much violence against sex workers and when I say sex workers not just women I object to the fact that we don’t have male brothel okay we need male brothal we need brothel with males we the industry is not supporting that at least not in a widespread way if I had my way I would open a brothel myself like that may be something but there’s only so many licenses that the state the regulations on where a brothel can be the of taxes and Licensing I mean we literally fund the the County Police Department here yeah licensing alone let’s make that clear that most people don’t know there are no brothel anywhere in the county that contains Las Vegas it’s all outside of that correct the nearest one is like an hour away because each brothel has to be in a it cannot be in a densely populated area so so like the county I’m in is just outside the state capital where the population at the state capital I’m literally like a mile from the county line I’m just inside the county line but this County qualifies because of the population amount and at the time it was established let’s say there’s a population growth okay but at the time that it was licensed back in like the 70s these brothels existed before it became legal understand that they’ve been here for a long time I’m you know I’m part of a very famous network uh people might have seen the show on HBO I can’t name it out loud but basically long story short there’s four broel in this County all owned by the same network the same owners the same previous former owner who made it famous on HBO so like we have to be in a an area that has less than I think 600,000 I’ve got a I’ve got something pulled up right now okay so for folks that are watching if you see on the right side of my screen uh the green areas within Nevada is where prostitution uh or legal sex work is permitted and by the way while I’m saying that is like I’m not I’m not sure I’ve been trying to say legal sex work but I see them refer to as it prostitution like for some reason I felt like going into this conversation I felt like the word prostitution was like a dirty word but stigma thing is it is it yeah it’s the whole stigma thing so when I when I got cleared by the sheriff’s department I had to get fingerprinted background checked and all that stuff I have what’s called a sheriff’s card it allows me to work at one brothel okay and I applied through the brothel I’m currently at I’ve been here since last year I’m here full-time I actually um you know became full time because most girls come in for a couple weeks at a time and then they leave and go home to their home state and so on um me I’m here full-time I did a few tours and on my third tour I decided I’m gon to go full-time here so when I came in though I came in and I have my credentials and all that stuff and they do the the background checks and fingerprinting and I get what’s called that Sheriff’s card and the sheriff’s card has my legal name on it which matches my name here um but it also says legal prostitute on that Sheriff’s card so that is the correct term I have a shares card that says I am a legal prostitute that is allowed to work at one specific brothel if I decide to move houses as it’s called because there are four in our Network in this County y owned by the same network um if I go across the street Street cuz we are in What’s called the red light district it’s like a cold a stack of three brothel and then across the highway is the fourth one if I go across the street I have to go back to the Sheriff’s Department get a whole new Sheriff’s card if I switch houses even though it’s all in the same company but my card says legal prostitute I was never more proud to be called a prostitute in my life when I got that card I was like I got I am government certified ho yeah you well you know what’s funny is that before I came in here uh Justine and I were talking about something and I just jokingly said because I looked at the clock and I was like oh it’s time to talk to Tori so I Justine she’s my partner and uh I looked at her I said you know what I’m gonna go in the other room I’m gonna smoke a joint I’m GNA drink a beer and I’m going to talk to a prostitute I know just another day at the office yeah yeah just another day so so you mentioned stitution has is a polluted word it has stigma but the thing is is that’s exactly what I am and what I do and I’m proud of it so for me okay um somebody can call me a [ __ ] and you know how I said five years ago that Might Sting and it doesn’t I’m proud like you can call me names but it only hurts if I believe it yeah and I’m know what I stand for and what I do so so you can you are not disrespecting me or any other sex work by using the word prostitution that’s society trying to denigrate us or to um create this insult from words like I have one of my um fans sent me a trophy that says you know number one ho like you can call me a [ __ ] you can call me a [ __ ] you could call me whatever you want it will not affect me it might affect another woman in some way but sex workers are pretty confident people so it’s kind of funny if you try to you know fling mud at us it’s you it’s like nothing sticks it’s it’s not gonna stick yeah so when you say prostitution please no and know I I speak for myself but I also think I can speak for sex workers um that I know and work with we all have had this conversations like they can call us a [ __ ] a [ __ ] you know whatever okay yeah so so I’m licensed as a prostitute yes let let me ask you about um like again just kind of dwell I’m trying to see like if you think having experienced the sex industry uh if there’s a a better way you know you mentioned that there’s 20 there’s only 20 brothel in Nevada it’s kind of funny um up until recently there were only 21 cultivation centers in Illinois and let me just put it this way let me you know you might see where I’m going but let’s let’s just put it this way like in Illinois for example if you would have asked me how many people are growing cannabis I’d be like well it’s got to be in the thousands but legally it’s only 21 right so you also said um you know if I could open my own I would but it’s just you know I’ve look I looked into like what the licensing licensing fees cost yeah $100,000 they range from $100,000 a year upwards and that’s just for the license I that’s not even building out the facility all the security that’s required um yeah uh I didn’t know if profitable from day one it’s The Upfront cost the licensing and you also have to buy an existing license it’s not like they can create a new license so you’re basically buying into a brothel that’s going out of business I a few weeks ago went with some of my friends that I work with um and we toured a brothel that had burned down and picked through the rubble that license and that thing that’s all gone that that’s lost history and lost you know licensing and so on we also went to one um that’s halfway between Reno and and Las Vegas it’s in the middle of nowhere just like most brothels are middle of nowhere but it’s been abandoned and you know vandalized and so on and um you know like it’s a shame to see them burn down close down shut down fall down whatever because those are precious properties even if you you you leveled the whole building that license it would allow you to you know build another one okay so buying out a brothel um one brothel outside of Vegas that used to belong to this network and was sold off there a there were there used to be more brothel in the network that I work with um two of which were down in Vegas those two were kind of let go especially after the former owner’s death so the long story short is they’re still in operation they are not owned by the same company that I work for or network I work for um they’re under new ownership so when people buy into it it keeps the industry alive yeah I would love to be able to buy into um a license somewhere and to be able to navigate the complexities of why there’s not male prostitutes out here because um the way the law was written is they have like the wording of it was that we’re required to have a c cervical swab what if you don’t have a cervix you know like yeah it’s the laws are really really wild okay I have read that there are I’ve read that there is a process now for male uh sex workers and that some I think one location employs like a uh a sex worker that offers an interesting experience that like they you know trans trans there’s I know they trans workers um they’re very rare and um and the thing is is like that Community is being underserved um the female Community is being underserved I mean are you kidding I would hire a sex worker if I didn’t have success in the dating world you know like like to have an actual safe um and and uh consent ual access um I didn’t find myself needing that but more so providing that but the thing is is like there needs to be more equality in who sex workers are and there needs to be less of the illegal element that puts us at risk puts us into violent situations puts us um in situations where in in light of acts of violence or exposures for that matter you know there’s there are sex workers out there that are strung out that are riding bear back they’re not following you know safe sex protocols um you know and and I’m not knocking any sex worker right now I’m just saying there we come in all spectrums and I think that EV everybody thinks that we’re strung out on drugs that we have no skill sets to fall back on no education um that we’re not smart business people or that we you know just loose in every way really quick is it is it true that that the staff there will like search your belongings to make sure you don’t have drugs yeah and the sheriff can walk in without a warrant and do the same what are you allowed to have cannabis since cannabis isal not on site now are you allowed to use it there are some that partake but they have to go off property they cannot bring you know anything out like one girl thought she was smart had something she found her bags outside the gate 15 minutes later okay we take it seriously we could lose our license okay we we have to have a strict no drug environment here why why though are you I’m not trying I’m not like I’m just trying to understand why are you allowed to have alcohol on site we do have a bar but we’re not allowed to bring our own alcohol in is it because you have a liquor license as well as allows us 247 serving of hard alcohol so the girls cannot bring in their own liquor um we have to pay full price you know for the drinks just like any client does um if you are going to partake because it is legal cannabis is legal here we have dispensaries here um you need to do it on your own time outside the property wow um nobody’s going to shame you but we do have to follow the rules set for brothel which even back up Canabis is legal it’s not legal in a brothel Bingo well if we back up just for a moment it’s not even about the brothel it’s really about consumption lounges like consumption lounges I think just now got the green light in Nevada so it’s actually possible that maybe in the future a brothel could get a consumption license which would then allow you to consume on site but like you I wanted to take a step back like I was approaching it different I was approaching it incorrectly like it’s not even really about the brothel like there’s not even consumption lounges in Nevada yet so right right like let’s let’s slow down here way to go on a lot of things but I’ll be the first one to say um I believe that cannabis needs to be decriminalized and legalized in every state um I do believe strongly that healing modalities um in the Pharmaceuticals and you know um like in the right hands it can do a lot of good for society in the wrong hands it can do a lot of bad for society there’s you know it’s two sides of the same coin but why don’t we steer it towards the legal side where there is more oversight and accountability and adherence and and ethics and so on and so forth like in the brothel industry we’re very ethical here we are very professional we take our licensing so seriously that even though it’s [ __ ] that you know we can drink alcohol but can’t you know have you know a cannabis Vape on site it’s hypocritical in a lot of ways I mean yeah but at the same time I get it yeah like in Mike you say I mean you’re you’re bringing these things you’re putting when when you take something out of the Shadows inherently I think you make it safer with that said that’s not saying that things can’t still happen but what’s great about it coming out of the Shadows is that you’re less hesitant to reach out to law enforcement or to an AM if you know if you need an ambulance or whatever else like you said uh sex workers that are not in the legal industry have a lot of hesitation to even report crimes against them because some people are just like they just so I wanted to quickly shift uh as we start to wrap up just I’m very curious uh um I want to display this just so you can like read along with me like uh I’m just looking at the legal prostitution inada and I also wanted to add you know people that frequent the illegal brothel are putting them El at huge risk too um and you know clients that come here are buying into the peace of mind and it’s it’s you know we strive to meet every budget but it’s not cheap you are buying into the peace of mind that comes with you are protected here you know Sheriff depy walks in our front door they’re our friend nobody’s G to get arrested there’s no sting going on nobody’s going to impound your car the girls here are not going to steal your wallet we’re not strung out on drugs you’re walking into a safe environment why can’t we have that everywhere right you know so but yeah pull that up I just wanted to point out that yeah no I appreciate you pointing that out so the Nevada this the Wikipedia page says the Nevada brothel system has been criticized by activists and the sex workers movement who are otherwise supporters of full decriminalization of prostitution um and I just want to talk focus on these three because there’s other ones that it’s like we could get into the Weeds on but um organizations and individ ual supporting the rights of prostitutes typically favor deregulation and oppose Nevada style regulation mainly for three reasons they say the licensing requirements create a permanent record which can lead to discrimination later on I don’t even know if that’s true or what that means I want you to be able to weigh in on that in a moment but the next point the large power difference between brothel owner and prostitution uh sorry and prostitute gives prostitutes very little influence over their working conditions which a lot of the things you’ve said said kind of conflicts with that so maybe we’ve already addressed that point but again I’ll let you expound on that in a moment um the third one which this is the the biggest one that I’ve ever thought about like when somebody said this to me in the past I was like holy [ __ ] I’ve never really thought about it this way so you mentioned that prostitutes undergo legal and health background checks but their customers do not and so the regulations some people say are thus designed to protect the customers but not you the worker so I’m Gonna Give You devil that hit here I actually had someone within the court system when I was going through that whole Court thing that I told you about um tell me that I couldn’t work here and even though the state of Colorado had no problem with me working here because I made it no secret this is where I work this is how I make living the state of Nevada was having an issue with it because there was some documentation that was you know being passed between the states and I had somebody tell me you can’t work there and I said why it’s a legal job just like anything else and this woman who we later I were able to identify that she’s one of those activists was trying to basically blow smoke up my ass and intimidate me and just try to pull a power punch on me and I called her out and I said do you have something in writing that says that well I’ll have I’ll I’ll have so and so get that for you blah blah blah well she knew I was on to her at that point but she I said why it is a legal job just like anywhere else if anything I got a sheriff’s card I mean I have you know met the criteria to legally work here so why are you discriminating against me working here and she says it’s because it’s known that she these are her words she says it’s known that you will be constantly in the presence of Alcoholics drug abusers and Criminal and I was like no we’re not if anything the grocery store worker is exposed to all those same people that nurse at the at the emergency room is exposed if not more to those kinds of people so if you’re going to say that I am Exposed on a continuous basis to the drgs of society by your standards and I can’t work here then we need to talk about all the convenience store worker the grocery store clerk the you know whatever whatever now these people move through society and these people the you know the drug dealers the drug users the alcoholics the whatevers they are pumping gas they are buying groceries they are seeking Health Care they are moving through Society without question so I don’t think that we we need to background check everybody that comes in yes we check IDs we make sure that they’re you know they’re legal they’re not going to be walking in with a gun yeah and if they have drugs on them and we can identify that we just ask them to leave yeah but are you worried about the fact that like you know some of the people that you might be having parties with could am I correct in thinking you can still pass a sexual sexually transmitted disease with a condoman it okay so it would be difficult not impossible but difficult okay but does that wor does that worry you that that you guys don’t even test I’m just talking about like your working conditions do you think that that would be a good Improvement if you tested people I trust my abilities we we do what’s called a dick check yeah we tell us about the dick check faction okay um and if it’s a female client you know similar genitalia but a HOA check huh the the the guy is a dick check the girl is a hoo-ha check yes so I I’m the one that that clears them if there is anything of question and I have refused people who might have had a shating bump okay if there’s anything that looks out of the ordinary they don’t get cleared they don’t party with me okay okay um it would be illogical in a lot of ways to require them to be tested because testing takes a while blah blah blah blah blah so it’s more of a judgment call and an educational thing like you know we know what to look for and if there’s anything suspicious at all under any circumstances it’s a hard no if there is any rash if there’s any bump like anything no open skin no Cuts nothing okay so the dudes that freshly shave and cut themselves could very well be turned away even though they don’t have anything wrong can someone get exposed to I mean you know the herpes um you know like cold sores like 80% of the population have it okay if I’m seeing a dude with with a cold sore on his lip um those lips are coming nowhere near me you know so you know what I’m saying like I know what I’m doing here and we’re you know we’re much like healthcare workers in the sense that like we have a lot of knowledge about this at the same time we’re also very very careful about you know safe sex and not beyond the condom itself so there are ways to have intimacy and and here’s the other thing it’s not always about the sex I have clients that come in just to talk yeah and just to maybe cuddle or to slow dance and be silly or you know like on Christmas Eve last year year a client partied in our fantasy suite which is you know our highest upgrade champagne party and we jumped on the bed and you know drank champagne and listen to music and just you know like it was it’s less about the sex but the actual sex asks themselves it is up to me to clear them I am I use a lot of discernment and scrutiny um if I think that there’s any way shape or form that I might be putting myself at risk then it’s a no um or I may redirect to something that’s not quite as much contact okay guys come in and say hey can you go bedre ABS [ __ ] lutely not and I need you to leave my room because now I can’t trust you you know to to maybe try stealthing me or whatever you know like people will when people tell you who they are believe them okay so I turn away a lot of money in their pockets in those pockets Pockets because my safety is of utmost importance um I do have support of management not every brothel runs the same way I do know other brothel workers um in other houses across the state and they they may even though they’re independent contractors management may say why’ you turn away that guy he had $500 or whatever and and they have to justify their decision whereas me nobody’s asking me to justify any decision I make here because I act independently I am an independent contractor yeah um is it true do that help answer your question I mean yeah yeah absolutely have you heard about at other locations uh is I saw you specifically answer this question in your AMA and you said your location doesn’t prevent you from traveling in fact they’ll provide you with a chauffeur um but I’ve heard other locations restrict people from like leaving past 5:00 P p.m. or whatever so there are some brothel that are locked down broel once you go in those Gates you stay in those Gates and you complete your tour you do not leave it to go out to the grocery store you do not leave it to to do anything because the risk here is someone let’s say I wasn’t one of them but I do know that there are independent sex workers who worked in their location in other states where it’s illegal they were escorts and they have experience as sex workers but not as a legal prostitute in a brothel um I’m one of the trainers here so you know I’m screening these girls when they come in and in fact I’m assigned a new girl that just came in today I’m going to start training her tomorrow so I do a lot of the training here so I’m Fielding um these girls coming in what their background and experiences and many many of them have gotten tired of the risks and liabilities with being independent sex workers in illegal States um and want to go legal and so they come in and they tell me their stories but then I also talked to other brothel workers at other brothel who have you know been hired at another brothel and the thing is is some brothal rightfully so are concerned that some of the girls will run their own side hustle on the outside of those Gates and then bring back risks and so on exposures to their clients that they may not have used a condom with I won’t party behind somebody who you know I’m that might be acting a little sketch because they they keep making runs to the the casino every night after their shift um yeah they’re they’re looking a little suspicious so I’m not going to party with a client that might have parted with them because sometimes clients come in they’ll party with one girl they’ll have a breather and then they’ll book with another girl I won’t party behind as as I call it um behind some of some of the people because I just I I take my own own Sexual Health very very seriously um there are only a select few people that I will do like a two girl party with like threesome and so on um my particular location allows us to come and go okay um we get a lot of freedoms here whereas other brothel you’re on lockdown some brothel their working conditions aren’t very good they the girls have to do a lineup 247 and just hope to catch sleep in between Bells yeah and they get fined if they miss a lineup because they slept through it or something you know here we have actual shifts so my working conditions here oh my God my quality of life is amazing I have full-time housekeeping I have a full-time cook make you know she’ll make me made to order breakfast I have a full-time driver 247 to take me wherever I want to go do you have health care I no I do not have health care we do have an on-site Clinic for the purpose of doing our testing and a doctor that stay approved that comes on site but in order for me you know but I do I need to go to the eye doctor I need to go to the dentist I need to go to the doctor whatever I’m here fulltime so I saw I’m fortunate that I get to come and go but they also can search my room they can search what the bags of stuff I’m bringing in and I’m okay with that I would rather them know that I’m not doing something illegal outside of the brothel they trust me here because I don’t have a side Hustle but some girls will try to to juggle a side hustle with brothel work and they do not last long here yeah they they tell on themselves very quickly and none of the girls are going to party behind a girl like that and I’m not saying they’re dirty I’m not saying they’re unethical I’m not saying that that’s what all of the independent ones do outside of broel wall but the risk is there therefore we are not going to take on that risk because we can lose our license we can have exposure to somebody who just you know uh partied with a guy with no condom whatever here I know condoms are being used yeah so forgive me I know we’re way over our time but I just got into some no no no I’m sorry if you’re fine I’m I’m fine okay now I’m good I could I just feel like we just got into a really good so uh I was under the impression that you did have Healthcare like when I was in high school uh here I’ll actually kind of reveal um a little bit about myself one of my classmates uh former classmates worked in network with you I won’t say where um but they were in a news coverage um and they were talking about the fact that they could get ObamaCare at the time and of course it was oh prostitutes can get OB uh can get a healthcare and it was like pain really negatively but but a lot of your that was for the uninsured underinsured and so on as well and here’s the thing um I do have health care through other sources um however I am a 1099 contractor I am not an employee here um I pay my own taxes I get my you know I pay my own Social Security like I am someone who you know could be like a consultant on the outside you know they get a1099 they do contract work I am on contract so I am responsible for my health care I am responsible for um you know my taxes and Social Security and Medicare and all that stuff um I have to pay all of that yeah is it is it true that the house will take like 50% of your earnings um each house is different but industrywide that’s a pretty common number gotcha so you got to come up with a number that’s going to be worthwhile for your establishment but also yourself correct but at the same time the house is providing a lot of safety security amenities and so on so basically it would be like a hairdresser paying for their space at a salon okay it’s you know the house gets there cut I get my cut and because they are providing not only the space and you know this is a resort style facility this is one of the higher-end ones that I work at not every brothel is the same as far as what their amenities are or you know um benefits are we have 247 courtesy chauffeurs that will come and pick you up at the airport at your hotel whatever like we we provide a more luxurious um experience for our clients than maybe some other brothel do um but I am basically just you know quick equivalent a hair stylist a hairdresser at a salon who buys the space for the chair um you know they’re being they’re paying the rent so I pay room and board and I get you know um I have maintenance crew like I literally I had a leak in my shower the other day um maintenance man comes in and fixes it I don’t have to worry about it I just put in a work order yeah um you know so like I’m well taken care of here so I have no problem with the house getting their cut because they are taking good care of me yeah is it is it really tough to to move between locations that one of the parallels I see between what you mentioned how that works in legal the legal sex industry but uh the way it works in the Illinois cannabis industry is that you’re licensed to work at one location and you have to get badged with the Illinois State Police to work at that location yep and you can’t just say [ __ ] this place I’m going to this place like you have to go through that whole registration again and in some in some cases it actually keeps workers from from moving to a new location um do you find that that regulation inhibits it all or do you think it makes sense I really think that there’s such a high demand for um okay so when you got 40,000 people all vying for the same position okay um you have to have a really good reputation to be picked up by another house in other words you have to be profitable you you have to demonstrate that you’re profitable and that you have skill sets that meet the needs of their clients so let’s say I do move to an entire you know completely out of this network and into an entirely different brothel L say out in Vegas Yes number one I’d have to convince them that it’s worth having me hired amongst all the other candidates now it does give me a bit of a leg up because I can prove my numbers I can I can prove my success rate I can prove that you know I I have um you know a client following and and you know and so on um I can prove the skill sets and so on the uniqueness of me will get me hired above say somebody else that’s never worked in a brothel it does give me more of um an advantage to be hired but it doesn’t guarantee I’ll be hired and then number two or when I say hired not as an employee but you know contracted getting a contract and then yes I have to go and get my Sheriff’s card in that particular County I basically would be starting the whole process all over again I pay for my own um testing every week you know so like as an independent contractor in addition to the taxes and so on I provide all all the condoms all the supplies I pay for my own testing like there’s a lot of overhead as a legal prostitute that is absorbed into my business model structure and rate structure so like I provide a large menu of options because I have a lot of experience in a lot of different things that are highly specialized yeah um you know so I’m more easily hired than somebody who is maybe 20 years old and has never had a threesome and doesn’t know what BDSM is and you know what I’m saying like I have a lot of experience so I actually I don’t worry about whether I would get hired elsewhere but at the same time very little opportunities open up because the sex workers that do come into this industry generally stay in it and don’t balance around a whole lot yeah and they try to go for you know the the houses like the one I’m at that has not only name recognition but but it also has um the quality of life that I’m given not every brothel has a driver let alone you know housekeeping or a chef or maintenance and you know so I work at a more upscale location and I’m treated well here too so you’re going to pay more for me here as opposed to if I went to a brothel that didn’t have all those amenities and securities and and quality of life stuff built in um my rate structure would probably go down to be competitive because I’m not buying into the whole quality of life of the amenities that they provide because they’re not providing them you know yeah yeah it’s pretty competitive here and I’m very fortunate and privileged to do what I do so I don’t take it for granted either um if I do ever move to another house I will look at the overall big picture what is is my quality of life going to be what type of clientele is going to be there some brothel are on the highway and they just get another B truckers passing through you know like here I have a local client base I have a very dedicated client base I already have a following where people who are already familiar with me and may have never met me are planning a trip to come out here just so they can spend time with me things like that I have a client that flew in a couple months ago he partied with me for three days straight he loved it so much he’s rebooking for seven days straight in September you know so like I have a good Cent attention rate I thought you said you don’t share personal information why are you telling people about our plans in September I’m joking darling don’t threaten me with a good time uh so hey I want to close uh with this topic uh that we kind of already touched on but I just want to Circle back around to it do you think that it could be done about better way I know Beggars can’t be choosers you know Nevada is the first to do it and the only to do it but it’s so hard from what I understand to open up a brothel um should it should it be easier why are there only 20 like do you do you agree that that’s like that that’s an issue again I know Biggers can’t be choosers but like you know it’s already been proven so why aren’t we replicating it yeah and yes there are some things that could be better we need to be serving more clientele with you know prostitutes are are basically when you say the word prostitute somebody imagines a woman a sultry woman right well prostitutes are actually every Walk of Life and we need to have more diversity in representing um all humans in every gender identity um I believe that we need to also still have the over oversight and accountability but let’s be real here okay if we’re in a legal state for cannabis like you said why can’t we get a license so that it can be smoked on site why you know why is it so hard why do we have to risk an alcohol license a liquor license um If somebody walks in with with a little you know 2 O bottle of Jack in their pocket you know like it’s it’s it’s too regulated in some ways but I also support and endorse the high regulations that we have for safe sex for the condom use and all that stuff 100% endorse that um I think that we will see vast improvements in in society when we get our heads out of our asses and quit thinking about it being a moral and ethical thing when we are operating morally and ethically we’re just getting you know the Bible Thumpers and the activists that are like oh sex is bad and dirty and shameful and oh you’re a horrible human when really we are the most compassionate most professional most dedicated uh humans that you could put in charge of caring for other humans and caring for them in ways that matter and I just think that um we all need it we all need comfort we all need healing we all need our society would be so much better off if we had those Outlets to to have a more joyful life and IM mean meaningful life and there’s too much suffering going on out there for us to not look at it well said well I want to thank you for your service to society I want to thank you for your time um I’d love to sit down with you again uh in the future uh I feel like there’s so much more we could talk about but I don’t want to take too much more of your time uh I’m also going to go out and uh probably enjoy a good snack late night snack with my partner so um yes munchy time yeah you know it you know it I have you’ve got to try the toffee Oreos D have you had toffee Oreos yet no that sounds that sounds delicious you’re set this up planted a seed for you but listen I want to thank all the viewers number one thank you for listening thank you for having an open mind and an open heart about a topic that is typically shied away from or you know Hush Hush I do feel privileged that I can speak openly um about what I do and why I do it and that I get to live a life that is transpar transparent and authentic so the fact that you stopped and listened to this is a is is quite an honor for me so thank you and Cole thank you for having me on here I know that we’re all kind we’re all in the same team um not everybody May understand it but the more that we talk about it I think the more acceptance we can get so I’m happy to talk with you anytime and if people have questions feel free to reach out follow my socials um like I said I’m very open um you know as long as you’re respectful otherwise I couple clicks and you’re gone yeah exactly so be nice folks uh we’ll have uh tor’s contact information in the show notes if you like what you saw wink wink uh she’s got an only fans and uh fet life so there’s your opportunity to actually procure some of her legal generous with my free content so there is that too yeah yeah and then you know if again if you go to Nevada um if you connect with Tori online uh you can maybe party with her so take that opportunity if that’s something that that interests you uh Tori once again I give free tours to whoever shows up on site whatever happens after that cool what happens in the brothel stays in the brothel hell yeah hell yeah that’s that’s what we like to hear yeah love to everyone out there all right chillino we’ll see you on the next episode take care all right
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