The Cole Memo

In this episode, I am joined by Masha Ty. Masha works with ACS Laboratory, a drug-testing lab that is registered with the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). During the episode, we talk about the services that are offered at ACS Laboratory including cannabis/hemp testing, testing on psychedelics like psilocybin, kratom, and more!

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Masha Ty

Corporate Growth & Education, ACS Laboratory | CVO, Extract Collective & CannaFamilia ™

For over 20 years, Masha Ty resolved major challenges for Fortune 500 companies in the areas of Omnichannel Marketing, eCommerce, Application Development, Compliance, Talent Acquisition, Resource Planning and Brand Activations. She brings all that passion and experience to cannabis and psychedelics. At ACS Laboratory, working across the business for cannabis, hemp, mushroom and kratom compliance, Masha stays on top of legal, scientific and product development, helping to drive corporate growth and education through client acquisition and retention. Masha co-founded Extract Collective and CannaFamilia™ – both focus on consumer/patient navigation and well-being education through experiential events and through pre-recorded TV quality variety shows in the Spanish Language (CannaFamilia™).

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well Masha I’m so excited to have you officially join me on the coal memo um
it was cool I was reminding myself where we met in Denver at Jane West’s party I
think we were uh enjoying as I like to say enjoying the fresh air in other words I think we might have been sharing
a joint but nice to meet you uh could you go
ahead and introduce yourself and tell our audience where we can find you online and such yep so my name is mha
and I am currently in Florida um I work with ACS laboratory I do corporate we
call corporate growth and education that’s our form of marketing um we really are more about education than
marketing ACS laboratory is um one of the biggest uh cannabis and hemp Testing
Laboratories in the country we’re a 20,000 SQ foot facility located outside
of uh Tampa Florida we are ISO accredited DEA licensed we are Clea
licensed which means we can do human trials um we can test blood saliva urine
those kind of things um for uh they’re called pharmacokinetic studies so bioavailability basically so what makes
us unique is we can test the plants but then we can also test
metabolites um in you know from the human body so which is amazing for any
kind of indepth studies or things like that that that Brands could do to look
at the efficacy and the bioavailability of their products um I I also I speak on
I speak on conferences mostly on psychedelics these days that’s all everybody wants to hear about um um I’m
on Twitter uncore Masha T that’s M Ty Y
and same with Facebook and Linkedin and then acs.com you can find
um on Instagram sorry did I say Twitter I meant toore Masha T um Twitter or X whatever
it is now yeah I’m still the Masha Club yeah
so yeah that’s where you can find me cool and uh yeah like you said
acs.com I was displaying it there earlier um it’s really cool to see that you’re a DEA registered laboratory I
that was cool yes um so yeah I just wrote down too I definitely want to talk
about the idea of metabolites in the body I didn’t realize you could test for things like that um I’m just curious
though to start off and I’m struggling to find the clip right now if I find it here in a second I’ll play it but maybe
we just I think this will ease us into uh conversation about everything um the
Florida cannabis Market which is where you know you mentioned you are uh what’s that
like um um well what’s it like the Florida
cannabis Market is an interesting market so it is a medical Market um we have I
think close to 900,000 patients at this point which makes us probably one of the biggest
medical states in the country um there is no home growth there’s no um you know adult use I think
is going to be on the ballot everybody is expecting some progress with that um
we are governed by the Department of Health the Florida Department of Health so that’s the governing body and it is a
vertical Market which means that um a licens uh and they’re called mmtc
medical marijuana treatment centers that’s they’re called mmtc’s so Brands like I’m sure you’ve
heard of true Le which is a national brand um cookies uh
vitan um some others sunburn so there’s some that are that are msos you know
that like grow healthy that are across the country and then there’s a few like the flowery that are just um within
Florida I’m sorry V canons within Florida but so what’s interesting is
that the way that the Florida Market is is structured is that so A vertical license means that you own the entire
supply chain so you’ve got to cultivate you you’re the cultivator the
processor the extractor and the retailer and also delivery so all of those licenses are
it’s like a super license um those are they play within one brand so what
happens is um right now we have 21 of those in Florida 21
mmtc’s and we have an application process process that’s that just closed
so there was a bunch of applicants I think there were like 72 or 73 applicants for the new process and we’re
not sure when the decision will be made but I think they’re awarding like 21 new
licenses what makes it unique is that there is not a limit for the amount of dispensaries that um an mmtc could have
so um we’ve got you know truly I think which is um the top with about
127 dispensaries across the state and then you have some others that are
starting out that have three or four um I think move which is owned by verono is
um I think they have like 70 stores so there’s a gamut you know between um sort of the footprint that
these brands have being a medical State we have um
interesting rules when it comes to packing packaging so the packaging is
sort of very Bland you know it’s got to look very medical so it’s it’s all white
with just one color BOGO you know there’s different there’s there’s certain things you know that are
restricted and so I think that creates a level of creativity and as we know we
can’t advertise you know cannabis you you can’t really advertise except to your database and being a labatory even
though we don’t technically touch the plant you know we’re not plant touching
we we basically we test we test cannabis we also test hemp um and mushrooms and
creatum but when it comes to cannabis what we test it for and those rules are
uh again the governing body which is the Florida Department of Health has created these rules for testing so the plants
are tested for potency so you know THC potency and 11 cannabinoids so THC CBD
CBG you know like the 11 the major canono and then we also test for tpes
which are not required but obviously are differentiator what’s required by the
state is potency and then pesticides heavy metals residual solvant for
extracts and then um microbiology filth and Farm material there’s water activity
and there’s um I think there’s one other thing that I’m forgetting but so it’s
basically to test the purity of the product so we tested like medicine gotcha gotcha yeah in the clip
that I was looking for which I just am not able to find right now and I know
that the moment we get off the phone call I’ll find it um but uh your
governor who is not exactly Pro cannabis I was surprised to see him describe the
market as an oligopoly um interesting which I can’t find right now I swear it was him and
like I say being anti-cannabis I was surprised to see him describe it that way and and what you just described is
yeah it sounds like it’s so there’s a limited number of licenses but the lenses have no limits really correct
correct yeah wow yeah very interesting interesting yeah well um so okay so you
we we kind of segue to uh testing which is exactly how I thought we’d naturally uh transition before I move to testing
though any other thoughts on that I didn’t mean to just transition after I brought up uh Governor desantis’s
description of the so the the other thing I wanted a a note about testing so
um you’ll hear I made through out the term COA so that’s the certificate of analysis COA for short so that is the
test result so when the product is tested the result is called a COA the
certificate of analysis and that shows all the different levels it shows the um
you know it shows the potency levels it shows the fact that all the products were tested for um Florida has very
strict guidelines we test for 67 pesticides um we test for 21 residual
solvents and so all the states have different guidelines which is what makes
it so challenging and that’s when when when people talk about that there’s no
standardization and testing that’s what they mean you know Massachusetts has different guidelines
than Colorado than Florida so it’s It’s Tricky yeah but the COA itself is what
tells the patient how they’re going to feel and that it’s a clean product and then we have a QR code that’s produced
that that that can go on the package for the patient you know to to review those
results yeah and thank you by the way for making sure people understood what COA is we try to recommend people that
if you’re going to purchase products be sure to ask the person that’s you know vending those products for lack of
better words for a certificate of analysis or for a COA um it’s good to know what you’re
consuming and on that note you were mentioning everything you test you so you say 11 cannabinoids
tpen um that’s within the cannabis plant um I don’t know if we you mentioned
psychedelics earlier so I don’t know if you want to segue to that just yet but I figure since we’re talking about testing
of drugs it’s applicable right sure um so we do have a DEA license which means
that which means that we can test uh we can accept um scheduled substances from
other DEA licensed Labs or research facilities right so um that that’s
that’s a practice that so there’s a a special form that gets that gets filled out everything gets registered with the
DEA and then they’re able to send us samples in the maap whereas with
C have you know
control
and they go and they pick up the samples and then they drive them back to the lab so that’s you know a little bit of a
difference there with the with the DEA products so we’ve been testing a lot of
mushrooms um that are being used right now for research and um believe it or
not it’s easier to receive samples from Jamaica for mushrooms than it is in from
you know anywhere in the US because it’s legal in Jamaica and so in Jamaica they don’t need a d license they just need um
they just need to be able to export the samples out and other countries they’re you know depending on the country and
and they’re all different many of them they’re not illegal so they can just send them to us and but we still have to
file an a permit with the DEA to receive them so everything is like super uh
tracked and you know we have to be very careful which gives it you know there’s
a lot of paperwork and even those like there is no just how there’s no
like seat toale tracking system there’s not it’s all paper trail right now
there’s not a chain of custody that’s um I mean there is an formal chain of
custody but that’s why I’m so excited about what we’re doing with the blockchain uh We’ve recently uh
partnered with ticity to put 36 thousand coas on the blockchain for for our hemp
clients not yet for cannabis we’ll be doing that next but we wanted to do a proof of concept and that’s really
really exciting um we work with Ava Labs at
which it’s Avalanche it’s their blockchain but it basically says that this is the test you know these are the
test results that are indisputable and they’re put on the blockchain and there’s there’s so much potential there
to track every about the product including genetics how it tests how it
moves through the supply chain um it’s just you know the the potential is huge
and and I am excited about that well with sorry go ahead oh I didn’t mean to
interject uh remember it sounds like you’re about to segue with mushrooms but that S I just wanted to quickly commend you on that it sounds awesome because I
know there’s a lot of like outrage right now surrounding hemp and the fact that it sounds like you’re making access to
coas easy is a good thing because it kind of takes the air out of anybody’s argument against hemp if it’s tested and
right exactly because when we produce the COA at the end of the day it’s a PDF right it that that it’s a PDF file
so all these different brands that can upload the PDF to their website like
they could be tampered they could be you know there’s a lot of funky things that are going on but if you have a
thirdparty blockchain which is really nothing more than just a a website in a
in a different sense the way that it you know what what the user experiences it lets you know that that’s indisputable
and that it’s authentic now uh so back to the segue back to mushrooms is that
what’s so interesting about mushrooms is that mushrooms I mean there’s over four
400 compounds in magic mushrooms right and so what I’m seeing is like just how in
cannabis we’re so focused on the THD in mushrooms everybody’s really focused on
the psilocybin you know but it’s really just one tryptamine so you’ve got
psilocybin psilocin bioy nor bioy and on and on and on there’s so many of them
you know and there’s we know so little right now because it’s been very underground a lot
of labs you know won’t share that information um hyy Labs that I mean I
have so much respect for Reggie Harris and the things that he’s done in over in Oakland and and um tript Tomic some of
these other labs that have been not only testing but publishing the results for St in studies um they published a big
study where actually at the Psychedelic conference where we met so you know with
mushrooms I feel like the more science that we share and the more information that we share
it really allows people to treat it like a medicine where they
can know what to expect you know because right now people take mushrooms and they’re like oh you know how much do you
take oh you take a half a gram you take a gram you take a micro of what you know
it’s like we just talk about it by weights and it’s kind of silly because
there are over 180 species you know uh
golden teachers uh penis envy all kinds of different species they have different
potencies they have different active tryptamines and very much like cannabis
where there’s different strains all these different subspecies originated in different parts
of the world you know some grew next to churches and so they’re more spiritual and there’s all these theories you know
um and so I feel really honored to actually get to look at the data and and
have the science behind it and help people with Precision dosing you know
help people you know I’m we’re working with a group that they’re going to be
supplying the mushrooms for a huge study for cancer patients like that to me you
know you’re stressed out at the end of the day and people are like oh you’re not caring cancer relax and it’s kind of like well yeah like we might be you know
we might be curing cancer so it’s it’s really it’s really exciting because it’s
it’s just the beginning yeah and like you say being able to gauge your experience is so important and just like
to to your point there are sometimes when I’ve taken mushrooms and it’s what I would describe as the best feeling
ever and then there are sometimes where it’s not that it’s not the best feeling ever but it’s not exactly what I had before and it’s like what did I do
differently and you know I will I if I had more information I feel like I could make better decisions based off of that
like what in what world do you not make better decisions when you’re presented with more information like hopefully in
an Ideal World right in an Ideal World you make better decisions because you you’re presented with more information
and yeah like you say without that which is largely how we’re operating it’s hard
to make uh informed decisions and I know this might sound unrelated but you know
one of the things that I’ve noticed is so I had these cannabis beverages they’re actually hemp derived THC uh THC
products which are you know completely legal in all states basically and I was
drinking one at a family event and my both my grandmother and my aunt asked me
like oh what is that and they even took a sip out of it now I would never be able to get them to take like a baby I
could never talk them into like oh just take a little hit you know just take a little hit off this but with a drink because it’s like something something
they’re so accustomed to even if they don’t necessarily um if they’re not necessarily familiar with the substance
they were comfortable enough to take like a sip and so like I say it doesn’t exactly relate to to what you’re talking
about because what I was kind of just talking about is motive consumption but I would hope that with not only more
information but also different modes of consumption that yeah like people are able to make better decisions you know
decisions that make sense for them absolutely well and you know it’s it’s on that topic like with
mushrooms just because they’re illegal or not decriminalized doesn’t mean that
there’s not like a huge industry and happening right so we know this and they
come in there’s gummies there’s chocolate and you know there are different modes of consumption and many
times and I don’t know I’m sure you’ve experienced this and our audience has experienced it where you have a mushroom
chocolate and you’ll take a square and you won’t feel feel anything so like 30 40 minutes later you’re like oh let me
just take two more and then all of a sudden you cannot move and it’s because it’s not homogenized in the chocolate so
you know it’s not um evenly distributed and it’s the same thing with gummies you know one gummy may work one
gummy may not and so we have a long way to go but but we’ve also come really
super far as far as um figuring out extraction me methods and um the vehicle
for delivery and stuff like that with mushrooms and I just wanted to dwell on
that just for a moment and uh then I wanted to ask you about a few other things but I just love that you made that point the the homogeneous mixture
folks what we’re dealing with right now are heterozygous M mixtures am I wrong I mean right so they’re not they’re not
even in other words I’m just totally pulling this out of my high school Science Education like I remember
remember that they would show us like an even mixture for a homogeneous mixture but then like they’d show us oil and
water because it’d be separated and theyd be like see this is heterozygous it’s not it can’t mix right um and so uh
yeah I think that’s important to to note and some comedians have even made jokes about it with regard to Edibles you know
Edibles versus Tylenol it’s like Tylenol is this uniform mixture so if you like
split it in half you’re you are splitting it in half like to an extent
you know I mean you got to make sure you literally split it in half but with cannabis and like you say even
psilocybin these these mixtures are not homogeneous or in other words uniform and and that can be the root of a lot of
these issues I think yeah yes what do you think is the answer just to before
we move on from that do you think it there’s some sort of is it is it a combination of testing and technique or
like how do we solve that problem it’s but yes definitely it’s both it’s
testing and technique and you know I think a lot of entrepreneurs fall in
love with their own products yeah right so they get like really hooked on but it’s such a great product and you know
yeah I mean but you have to be willing to look at it objectively and to have
many other people try it and get feedback and there’s going to be
different versions you know like we also test amonita mushrooms and that’s been
and amonita mushrooms for those that that have not heard of them those are the the red mushrooms with the white
dots Amanita muscaria and so that’s a mushroom that’s been around for
thousands of years it’s literally been hiding in plain sight you know the The
Smurfs lived in those mushroom houses and like that’s the mushroom that Mario
brother like Mario Brothers he eats that mushroom and he grows giant you know and
um Legend yeah yeah they’re so cute I love them so Legend and they really look
like that they’re not they don’t even look real and so Legend has it that the
Vikings ate them to feel like giants before they went into battle I mean many
cool Legends and so the amanas are legal they’re not scheduled and and their
active ingredients are muskol and musar ibotenic acid and they’re different than
psychedelic mushrooms because the Psychedelic mushrooms like
psilocin um binds with your serotonin receptor in your brain and your
serotonin is like your happy messenger you know like if you are depleted in serotonin that leads to depression and
you know loss of energy and other things um and so it’s amazing because like the
picin molecule looks exactly like the serotonin molecule well for ammonita
their active ingredients bind with our Gaba receptors so the Gaba receptors are
what’s responsible for sleep and you know different things like unfortunately
a lot of the like the drugs out on the market today like you know Xanax ambient a lot of the sleeping pills they’re also
meant to bind with our Gaba receptors and and and they kind of do but they
they your body doesn’t fully go into Theta when you’re sleeping so you you don’t really feel rested and the amanas
are what’s called they’re called deliriums so they
allow you to not only have the most restful sleep but you also experience
lucid dreaming you know when you’re sleeping and it’s there’s just there it’s a beautiful incredible mushroom and
people so the reason I’m talking about this is because it’s people have been trying to figure out how to get to a
good product with amonitas so I’ve been working with clients in on the R&D and
it’s been tough because like the mushroom itself will test a certain way
and you have to also you can’t eat the raw mushrooms so I I want to say that like if you see these beautiful
mushrooms don’t pick it and eat it and will get sick one thing you said just
really quick too I thought that was interesting they only grow outdoors I was like what they do which is really
kind of cool right they only grow outdoors whereas with um so the Simon
containing mushrooms we can mimic the environment and grow them indoors and we’ve gotten really good at that now but
there’s something about the amonita um it’s their symbiosis with the ground with wood with the melium network
they really need to be connected in order to grow and I think there are people that have tried to grow them
indoors and um maybe I’m sure there’s a way we just you know we haven’t figured
it out yet but it there you have to dry them and decarbox them in order to
remove the ibotenic acid which is considered a neurotoxin so you can have
traces of it but not it can’t you know be present but to get to a final product
like we’re working with makers that they be could be testing the mushroom
the the dried mushroom powder it looks great they test it looks great they put
it into a gummy gummy super low potency it does not show up you know and we’re
trying to figure out why what’s why are the gummies testing lower like and so and that’s part of the you know the
product development road map that’s like my favorite I think part of what I do is working with entrepreneurs and Brands to
figure out how do you get to a better product and how you get there is testing you’ve
got to because the gummy could taste amazing you could take four or five and
and you know and then it they do nothing why I mean so these are the things you know that we need to figure out the same
thing in chocolate I think it’s a little bit different in chocolate we kind of have a theory that the pectin and the
sugar May reduce the potency of the muskal which is which is that ingredient in
amonita that everybody wants but again this is a legal mushroom people are
making products and it’s it’s almost like the delta8 of the hemp industry you
know it’s like that kind of legal back
door that it’s kind of the Wild West yeah
yeah I actually uh there’s a hemp company in Illinois that I recently visited in Southern Illinois University
uh that was selling hemp in the college which was so cool because it’s completely illegal and it’s weird to see
like he had like jars of weed of hemp and uh but he also had a bag of like
gummy amonita mascaria mushrooms and it didn’t click to me uh what exactly he
was talking about uh I was like wait a minute that sounds familiar because we had talked um but but yeah I it wasn’t
ringing a bell so like you say I didn’t even realize that it is like right in front of me and and I will be looking
out more because it sounds like like you say it’s almost like the back door into the industry and I do want to get to
that topic I wanted to talk to you about hemp like the hemp and Cannabis Testing and sort of Delta 8 and stuff um but
just more on the uh topic of psychedelics I’m curious you know I’m
sure that well I guess the DEA has been
testing these compounds for I don’t know do you know the history on it I I guess
what I was about to ask sorry I know I’m throwing a lot at you there uh what I’m trying to ask
is you know since we don’t know anything it’s like when you run these tests sometimes do you have to like create
things do you get my question here where it’s like yeah it’s a great question so
when we develop the method to test for something we buy certified reference
materials from like a a certified so there’s
manufacturers that make reference materials what does that mean it means that you get the this the starting
material so I’ll use psilocybin so there is we buy a sample
of psilocybin that is certified tested to be 100%
psilocybin and then you take that and then you develop
a method along with the instrument so we use um lcms which is liquid
chromatography math spectometry to read the results so you
have a standard so that’s the 100% And then everything that you test Compares against that standard right and
so that’s how it works except for the mushrooms are not 100% psilocybin right
they’re they’re just tiny percent so so the certainty is in measuring the psilocybin and then the psilocin and
then all the other tryptamines it works the same way with cannabis so we have the reference standards for THC CBD CBG
Delta 8 um you know every single canomo we test for over 30 cannaboids now it’s
almost like it’s you know it’s you get dizzy thinking about how many cannaboids
there are right there’s we don’t know we’re just at the tip of the iceberg
right there’s over 180 cannaboids we only test for 30 of them and then we think we’re testing for a lot and here
everyone’s obsessed with THC that’s one you know just like one you know and so
it always makes me laugh when when people just are so hooked on THC potency
because it doesn’t like sure that’s great but you know you’ve got a whole football team are you only going to look
at the quarterback right you know don’t know so it’s yeah we have a lot I mean
even as like mature as the Cannabis industry we think it is it really
isn’t yeah as far as science goes you know there’s still a lot more to learn
yeah and that’s that was thank you that was the root of my question there I I like I I was aware that you know there’s
hundreds of cannabinoids and I’m aware that from what you taught me today there are multiple tryptamines and psilocybin
but yeah I kind of was wondering like so okay you just said you’re testing for 30
in cannabis I just wondered like yeah if it’s if it’s like you’re ever looking at this and you’re like again I don’t know
much about the process but it’s like you’re looking at the lab paper you’re like huh what’s this trip toine and then it’s like you almost have like an O
opportunity to name it like I’m gonna name it Masha trip toine no it’s not like that okay when we develop a method
we already know what we’re testing for um so the I this is the goal the goal is
to be able to identify 100% of that material right
right most mushrooms right now are only testing between one and two% of
psilocybin and then a very small percentage of everything else so like
96% of that mushroom we haven’t Quantified
yet yeah is it true that that um sorry for the very very specific question is
it true some people say that the Caps are more potent than the stems have you ever done a test like that you know I we
have not yet but I know that Oakland hyy did a test like that um and they
published the results I want to say last year they published it and I think it was mixed
like it was kind of in con like it varied that it depends on the species on
the subspecies and so sometimes yes for caps sometimes yeah it was varied so I
think that that is a myth um I think with in amanas yes the Caps absolutely
from from what I’ve been reading are more potent but again we need more data
you know to really to to know this and the again the potency if you’re only
looking at psilocybin yeah maybe the Caps have more of that but maybe maybe the stems have something else that we
don’t know you know so it’s like this you’re it’s and listen I’m not a chemist
like I’m not I don’t have a medical degree I’m just you know when I get
obsessed with something I get really curious and I find out everything that I can about it and then I feel like my
mission is to simplify things for people you know to help them navigate and to
make these complex Concepts simple and lab testing is kind of you know it is
complex we have to explain to our clients all the time how to read you
know how to read this certificate of analysis it’s not that simple you know
and um we sort of we’ve sort of taking it for granted but I don’t think a lot
of people really understand what they’re reading yeah I’ve got a really interesting question for you about like
canabo you mentioned what did you say there was 180 canabo roughly maybe maybe there’s more I forget what the number is
it was either 118 or 180 I know I’ve heard of yeah I’ve heard around that number over 100 is the point and maybe
even more um so I would like to get back to that idea I wrote it down um but one
of the questions I wanted to ask you was about lab shopping and I don’t know like since you’re a DEA lab if you really
even fall into that category but it’s like oh okay so um my thing about it’s
like it’s when people describe third-party testing it makes it sound
like it’s like this unbiased source that you don’t pick but that’s very much not
true what and I’m not saying that anything is anything bad is happening
but I’m just like it is interesting so like how do you what are your thoughts on that so we we are we’re DEA
registered but we’re still a third-party independent laboratory h right so our
client is the brand or the mmtc at the end of the day those
results we’re being contracted to test products and then report the results
right we report them we can’t say wow your product and especially if it’s
something like unregulated like if it’s just like an R&D test if it’s high in
metals we just report that to them and then it’s up to them to do what they’re going to do with it now if it’s a
compliance test for cannabis and it fails um if it fails molds and mildew or
if it fails metals or solvents we have to report that to the state that’s by
law because we’re uh also State Certified now if it’s mushrooms or a
hemp we don’t have to report that to the state you know you know for hemp the
only thing that’s required is if it’s over 3% THC right and that only gets
reported at Harvest so if you are making products
let’s say you you you buy you know some disate and
you’re you believe the COA that you received from someone else that was selling it to you or you buy you know
um live R it whatever you buy bulk stuff right and you believe the COA that
someone gives you I’m talking about hemp right now and you don’t test it to verify
yourself that’s a huge mistake so you should always test it yourself as well
so they would you know send it to us and we test it and let’s say our
results don’t match the results that they got well then they have to say okay who am I going to believe
right which lab am I going to believe um if that product test Tau meaning like
they tell me it’s a hemp product and it’s got 1% THC or whatever I’m G to let
the client know I’m not gonna report it to the we’re not the police you know
it’s still we’re still working for them everything is still
confidential with the exception of what I just said when it’s a compliance test
for cannabis for the state in which case if they fail you know metals or
contaminants or anything like that we do report that I guess what I was asking about have you heard of like other labs
like I think in other states I’ve never heard of it personally in Florida but uh like I think in Colorado I’ve heard of
people shopping for labs that give them higher THC THC numbers yeah for sure
people do still shop for that you know and that’s where I was saying it’s like it third third party independent makes
it sound like it’s like it’s like you picked it out of a hat or something but
like that’s not the case is the point I’m making you know well you know we have the third party independent means
like okay let’s say you’re making a product right and you did your own testing inh house that’s not an
independent test that’s not a third party independent test right so and many
brands do they do testing inhouse but then once they send to us and is third
party verified that gives it more credibility and more plausibility and also um commercially allows them to sell
the product you know um it’s funny a lot of these amonita products like we’ve
heard about them being taken off the shelves because they have psilocybin in them so people are you know making
amonita products and putting in some magic mushrooms in there because they can’t really figure out how to get to a
good product just doing amonitas and mushrooms are so cheap to grow they’re
like let me just throw that in there because nobody’s really testing for that but we are you know so uh we could do
like a negative psilocybin test to say this product does not contain any psilocybin it is an amonita product like
it’s you know it’s compliant yeah and yeah interesting it is interesting is
there any like equivalent to so you just described with hemp it’s. 3%
THC it’s not I think it’s uh with like siloc cybin for example the number needs
to be zero am I correct like for it to be legal like there’s no like no no but
isn’t that funny just I wanted to that’s kind of funny isn’t it when you think about that like we’ve made this
distinction This legal distinction where it’s like there can be decided yeah well but also you know hemp is is governed by
a different body right hemp is the US Department of Agriculture right right so
with the hemp farm bill they passed the hemp farm bill they said 3% THC all
parts of the plant right so that kind of now you’ve got delta8 products hhc
products all these different derivatives right that people are making that AR all
legal so that’s why everybody’s kind of waiting to see what’s going to happen with the uh the next hemp farm bill and
this is what makes hemp tricky right even though it’s nationally legal it’s still state to state is
different right whereas cannabis is ferally
illegal but legal state to state you know so and so there’s different tax
it’s a different tax code and um and in fact like in Florida if you are an mmtc
if you’re a medical marijuana Treatment Center you cannot sell him in the store
that’s a different license Al together it’s it’s crazy you know so we do have
some cannabis brands that also make hemp products that they’re not allowed to sell in their own dispensaries yeah that that’s an
interesting one um we actually found recently and I’ll share it on the screen
um it’s it might be hard for you folks to see so I hope you’re able to zoom in unfortunately I can’t but there’s a menu
here and this is from an Illinois dispensary okay this this top one has 34% THC okay but this bottom one has
0.01 this other one has 0.01 this one has 0.01 which means it’s it’s funny
it’s hemp right since it’s under 0.03 right or it could be you could sell
it legally as hemp and so I think um I think it’s interesting the thca one that
that’s the most interesting one to me because that’s basically what that flower was that I was just displaying
you would call it if you wanted to sell it legally you would call it thca flower because it has less than .03 that’s an
interesting one because it really just shows you just the the arbitr the how
arbitrary the law is right well it it’s not that it was arbitrary so remember
that when the law was made they just talked about THC sure but the plant is thca and
THC and cbda and CBD and cbga and CBG and all that stuff everything is
thca until it’s split right so it is all
potentially thca right but the way that we so in
Florida and in many other states the way that it’s reported is it’s called total
THC so total THC equals thca times
8777 plus THC so if your thca is very
high your total THC will be high but the THC can still be3 right so
what they’re saying is that the hemp farm bill doesn’t say total t C it says
THC right it’s it’s n no mure I don’t know there’s there’s a lot of you know
heated debates about this right now right yeah we hosted one it got really heated and it’s risky you know and and
for us we tell all of our clients like look if this is what you’re doing if
this is how you want to run your business you should know and again we’re not the police right sure but you should
know this is how we report the results by law that’s how we have to
report the results so I think you know brands that are doing
this you know who am I to judge yeah I mean there are big brands that are doing
it now really big Brands cookies for example yeah shipping it across the United States it across the country um I
wanted to to close off on a kind of a just closing out with that conversation
it’s it’s interesting you know when I first was introduced to Legal cannabis one of the
pitches uh my bud tender made to me is exactly you know kind of what you’ve been drilling is uh it’s not all about
THC and I remember I was so intrigued to be introduced to the world of legal
cannabis because they had like a poster up and it showed like all of the cannaboids and like what they might do
and could do and I remember trying different canabo based products like I
tried Delta 8 for the first time in an Illinois dispensary um not in a gas station like most people have for their
first you know it was in an Illinois dispensary a legitimate product and um
you know I’ve tried other you know CBG CBN and I just remember it being all
about like hey now we have access to this we’re embracing science and you
know we’re not discriminating on cannaboids anymore right we’re we’re embracing them all for what they can do
but lately as you just alluded to it’s gotten really heated and some people have this opinion that like Delta 8 is
bad and certain canaps are bad how did we get here because I again we started I
was looking at the poster enamored and in love with the fact that we have all this information and all these extra
canabo and now people are like taking some and put these are good and these are bad you know it’s like you know I I
don’t think there’s it’s not that they’re bad it’s how they’re manufactured right so you’ve got delta8
from Cannabis and then you have Delta eight from him
now which by the way it’s all cannabis right so let’s just yeah so so the
cannabis plant has been genetically modified to only uh to be to be a low THC
plant that we now call the cannabis plant does have all of
these different cannabinoids including traces of Delta eight and CBN when it’s an older plant
that’s more of like a um a degradation thing or an agent thing it gets down to
CBN um it starts with CBG you know so CBG plants are like cut earlier you know
there everything there’s like a science to everything now um Delta
eight is really incredible it works with both your CB1 and your CB2 receptors um
and so you still get the lift but you’re kind of like not as confused so it’s great for pain and it’s great to go to
sleep because you’re not as um you don’t wake up well at least for me I don’t wake up in the morning as tired but but
what’s happened is because Delta a does get you high and because it is legal it’s created this
Loop and many people that can’t get into cannabis that are locked out of cannabis
because you know it’s so expensive to get a license and you know there’s just
all these different barriers to entry the barriers to entry in hemp are a lot
lower so there are people that are making Delta 8 now let’s be clear you
can make Delta 8 in a lab instead of just extracting you would not extract
the plant get delta8 that would be way too expensive you’d have to go through way too much material so you can take
CBD and through a chemical conversion process make it into Delta eight so what
happened the CBD Market kind of uh became oversaturated and people were
sitting on so much Supply when they found out about this way to make Delta 8 it was like oh
everybody jumped in but not everybody is a good chemist right especially when
they own a construction company last year they’re not a chemist you know what I mean like and you know full of respect
for construction companies and all that but you now all of a sudden you’ve got
everybody and their mother that all of a sudden is a manufacturer and is a chemist and is talking you know
compounds and this and that and right and they’re using materials residual
solvents that are not even on the radar of
regulations right that’s kind of scary yeah that is scary so we can test for and and we do
though because Florida you know we test for 21 solvings it’s pretty it’s pretty tough to get around that like if you can
pass Florida solv you know um it’s pretty tough but like ethanol um you
know uh methanol hexane propane there’s like all
these you know there there’s a level of toxic you don’t want any traces of that so that’s really where the danger is I
think with Delta eight is that it’s and and there’s a a huge gamut like you have
people that are just making amazing products in a GMP facility that that are
chemists that understand what they’re doing that take pride in what they’re doing and they really they care they
test they do full panel testing they do you know they do everything right and then you’ve got these other guys like in
any industry you know that are in it to make a quick buck that are going to cut Corners they’re not going to use good
solvents and probably they’re they’re going to rush to Market maybe not test and there’s going to be residuals left
in there so that’s where you have the differences you know and um
unfortunately great products don’t make the news you know it’s only like you know uh some Hospital worker 85 Delta 8
gummies that you know just all this stuff you know kids brought gummies to
that’s the one that’s been rocking Illinois lately oh the kids the kids got Delta eight and got Delta eight and all
this stuff so yeah you know um and it is illegal I believe in 23 or 24 States now
so that’s my worry and that’s why I started this question and I have a clip
from somebody that might be able to put it better than me it’s a short clip because I know we’re we’re at the top of our time but that’s really the root of
my question there you and you led with saying exactly what I was concerned about and I didn’t even really know
Delta 8 apparently you said it acts on like the CB1 or CB2 receptor and really
both the CB1 and the CB2 receptors which is really amazing and so my point which
I’m going to segue to this video because I feel like I’m going to butcher it um there are things that we can find out
maybe down the line and I’m worried that if we make it illegal that we might not be able to find it out like maybe
perhaps a canabo that is able to interface with the CB1 and CB2 receptor is especially effective for a certain
subtype of Parkinson’s or something like that and it’s like absolutely that’s where I get scared about and I’m glad
though that you addressed where maybe the legitimate concerns come from because I just get worried about people
on face value demonizing these can cannabinoids when it’s like even synthetic canabo like like you said
sometimes Delta 8 can be purely synthetic and I want to even talk like like I I know again we’re short on time but I even am referencing like K2 and
stuff like that I think that professionals could make that stuff and
there’s potential that it could be helpful for certain diseases and by making it just
illegal so you know back in the day when we were doing Molly right at clubs
having the best time it was medicine and now look MDMA is you know uh through
phase three trials and after years and years and years it’s going to be for depression well I knew that 20 years ago
when I went to my first Rave you know so it’s like there are things that you learn through trial and error that had
it just been Stamped Out all this progress wouldn’t have happened so I
don’t think you should ban it I think you should regulate it you know make sure it’s tested that’s it you know and
the same thing for all of these for mushrooms for GMT for mesc for LSD all
of that stuff it just needs to be tested to make sure that you’re you’re getting
a good product yeah absolutely we can have progress you know
that’s and precision dosing I’m gonna just end with that how important that is
precision dosing to just to know that you can get that same
experience every time with cannabis with mushrooms with all of these the and the
more that we understand the more that we can quantify and you can read a lab
result and you know you’re gonna feel that way every time just like a
Tylenol yeah actually yeah well said thank you for returning to that it’s one of the first subjects we we started off
with and uh for the audience just because I want to be respectful of your time Masha I’ll play the video after we
did it I actually think that in retrospect I did just fine in describing it to you it seemed like you were picking up what I was putting down and
um so well any final words before Before I Let You Go ACS laabs what was the
acs.com um cannabis in Florida H 50 states 16
countries and mushrooms we test functional mushrooms too not just amonitas um soloc cybin from you know
with a da perit but you know I’m here we do a lot of blogging if you go into
educa our education on our website um we spend if you go to the the
blog that’s what I do is I get to um there’s categories on all kinds of
different you know we talk about hemp crom uh mushrooms and we interview people we do
the research we treat it like journalism and education is ke hey you
know there are no bad drugs only bad people no I’m kidding there’s just
there’s it’s you know it’s all medicine you know it’s been here most of it for
thousands of years and it’s not going anywhere so I’m happy to answer any questions anybody wants to email me it’s
it’s mosh T mty at ACS la.com happy to answer
questions talk to love talking to entrepreneurs and answering any kind of product questions testing questions yeah
I’m here for it absolutely Masha I feel like I have to play it’s only a minute long I I have to play this video because
of what you just said how you closed on there’s no such thing as a bad drug I agree and that’s actually how this video ends so it kind of just caps off
everything we just talked about so I’m going to share it so okay oh there’s a bunch of people in Brooklyn and they
overdosed on some obscure synthetic cannabinoid and if it gets thrown into schedule one who cares not a big deal
well that’s a very shortsighted way of thinking about all of this because that’s exactly what happen happen with psychedelics and then we’re not learning
from the mistakes of the past that just because something it’s fun to sensationalize and talk about how
dangerous it is at this moment doesn’t mean that 10 years from now we’re going to recognize that it has serious
therapeutic potential we made a big mistake outlawing it and I think a lot of that also comes from this sort of US
versus them mentality that people have where it’s cannabis is good synthetic
cannabinoids are bad well synthetic cannaboids don’t have to be bad for cannabis to be good cannabis can be good
without something else being bad to counterbalance it you don’t need to hate something to justify your love of cannabis and this whole hatred of
synthetic cannabinoids I think is totally misdirected because these are products of prohibition that most people
wouldn’t even want to use in the first place and when they do use them they don’t know what they’re taking they don’t know what dose they’re consuming
and so of course they’re having bad experiences that would happen with almost any drug caffeine included if people just consumed enormous unmeasured
doses without having any idea what they were getting in into and so they’re thrown into schedule one but what happens if 30 years from now once the
therapeutic potential of cannaboids is being really seriously explored turns out to activate a certain tb1 receptor
that’s especially useful for Parkinson’s Disease then we’re going to regret having done that yes love
Hamilton awesome the quote you said and I’ll just I thought it was in that video but it’s not he said his advice is to
just never speak ill of drugs right yeah yeah so well hey thank you for your
time I’ll let you go it was fun yeah and I look forward to the next time we have more to talk about so absolutely never
ending Limitless okay thank you take care take care bye bye